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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Sockadin]
    #18802281 - 09/05/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why does all the good shit happen when I'm asleep?


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro] * 1
    #18802446 - 09/05/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe we could have a rating system based on user feedback or something.

Perhaps, as individuals, we could give users a score like 1-5 shrooms or something and then people can kinda tell if the person is knowledgeable or not.

It would be cool if we could post comments along with those ratings so others can see how they were helpful.

Just a thought.:wow:


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18802904 - 09/05/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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SpitballJedi said:
Maybe we could have a rating system based on user feedback or something.

Perhaps, as individuals, we could give users a score like 1-5 shrooms or something and then people can kinda tell if the person is knowledgeable or not.

It would be cool if we could post comments along with those ratings so others can see how they were helpful.

Just a thought.:wow:




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Sorry invitro, your argument sucks ass from my point of view, no way around it.

Also, TC tags are not condescending like an "ignore-the-noobs" button or some "test." Unlike your idea, the TC tag helps people sort through bullshit without making new members feel like idiots.

:wow: :wow:

I have nothing further to say to you on this matter.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18802931 - 09/05/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

We have a getting started FORUM for beginner questions and answers that was implemented months ago.

Wasn't that the point to get people correct current information, and tips on how to effectively use the site.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #18803069 - 09/05/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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We have a getting started FORUM for beginner questions and answers that was implemented months ago.

Wasn't that the point to get people correct current information, and tips on how to effectively use the site.




Yes, but its pretty much questions on how to use the site.  Which I find ironic if they don't know how to use the board in the first place.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18803440 - 09/05/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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SpitballJedi said:
Maybe we could have a rating system based on user feedback or something.

Perhaps, as individuals, we could give users a score like 1-5 shrooms or something and then people can kinda tell if the person is knowledgeable or not.

It would be cool if we could post comments along with those ratings so others can see how they were helpful.

Just a thought.:wow:




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Sorry invitro, your argument sucks ass from my point of view, no way around it.

Also, TC tags are not condescending like an "ignore-the-noobs" button or some "test." Unlike your idea, the TC tag helps people sort through bullshit without making new members feel like idiots.

:wow: :wow:

I have nothing further to say to you on this matter.




I'm pretty astonished that people can't see what I'm saying but that's ok.  I don't think that using derogitory face palms and other emoticons are appropriate, I'm entitled to my opinion if you don't like it fine but the insulting condescending stuff you could do without. 

I would implement a test for new memebers, a test to see if they have basic respect for others, a test many would fail on this board.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
    #18803465 - 09/05/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

We can agree to disagree.

Sorry that you can't handle the graems (emotes), I will bear this in mind in the future.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan] * 2
    #18804093 - 09/05/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I understand that we on the Shroomery are trying to let "this" post die...so I hope you will not slam me too bad for responding. I feel the need.  Thank you.

I read this post early today and thought on it all day! I've decided I need to at the least provide my opinion on the conversation. That is what a forum is for...opinions, discussion, asking, sharing, etc.  So, if it gets me a bunch of flack back, or for some strange reason blocked/ignored by some....that's ok...I got my big girl panties on and can take it!

I do agree with tbags OP about a FAQ.  It would be awesome!  Yes, there is a ridiculous amount of information available all over this site..very convoluted!  If you have the intelligence and patience you can and should use the search function to gather the most information possible before asking anything and shame on those that don't.  However, the problem with that is that you guys have been here so long and answered the same questions so many times, that if a newbie, such as myself, can put in a simple question...like "blue on my cakes" and get 55 responses!  :smile:  You get every answer possible from too much misting, to too little, to too much FAE, to too little, to too much handling, to well maybe it's a contam...the list is endless.  What this causes from a "newbie" perspective is we think "well...maybe my situation is different from those (because we ARE basically clueless), let me ask it "again" and provide a picture and see what the overall response it.  We are hoping and praying to at the very least narrow down what our issue might be.  So, we do keep asking the same questions.  So, while I stick by my original comment that I agree a FAQ would be awesome.  It would only work if you had one or two answers that would fit every person asking it...and I don't think from my limited time on here that is the case.  So, I think it might would give us newbies a place to start...but it would not stop the redundancy of the same questions for you experienced growers.  Sorry about that from a newb perspective.  :smile:

In regards to the "labeling" and "testing" of newbies.  OMG..seriously!  How demeaning can you try to be to me?  How many ways can you try to make me feel unwelcome?  How many ways can you try to make me feel like if I ask anything I will come off as an idiot just because I don't have YOUR level of experience?  Many may disagree, but in most forums the newbies contribute at least to 50% of what keeps it going..what fuels the conversation!  Otherwise, you guys are just bickering back and forth on who's process/tek is the best.  We ask a question and it prompts all of you to provide your insight.  We then take all those responses, assimilate them, decide what can work for us and run with it...or...ask follow up questions.  Either way...we give you a reason to post...to share, to argue with each other...however you look at it.

Do you really think that any intelligent newbie would take a test to be "worthy" of your reply?

I just decided to try growing shrooms this year.  I read on many sites, etc...and then WALLA....I came upon the Shroomery.org.  I joined and started reading the forum...fell in love immediately..haha.  What I liked and the reason I stayed was because of how much help I saw those who were "obviously" more experienced give so readily and so friendly to new folks like me!  I can't thank enough some of those who responded to my first postings..such as B_Boy, Notahacker, tbag, psillyshroomer...not to dismiss others.  But, I would NOT have stayed if it wasn't for the friendly, inviting, sharing of experience and knowledge that was provided to me.  I would have probably just given up even trying to grow the wonderful things we all enjoy!

So, yes, I may only have 6 months limited experience, 40 postings compared to your 400 or 4,000 or 40,000...but I'm happy to be here and appreciate the fuck out of how the majority of the people on this forum conduct themselves.  I'm going to keep asking questions that I can't find a concise answer too and try hard as hell to be a part of all of this and become a family with you guys!  If you wanna label me, ignore me...test me...etc...go ahead...I will be gone and so will a lot of other noobs!  And, where is this forum really without noobs? 

MsAngelique (noob...48 posts total and counting) :smile:..and off the soap box!


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18804428 - 09/05/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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tbagtag said:
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I used to get agitated, but I learned to ignore.

But over the years, this sight has gotten so bloated with the same posts.

We've already bloated this thread and ain't nobody said shit. It's still the same "help vs don't help" debate and "what about the poor noobs?" This ain't even the first time this has all been debated, not even by me.

Yeah OP, we hijacked your shit. Welcome to the Shroomery. :thumbup:

Your heart's in the right place though. I'd give you 5 shrooms if I still participated in that ego trip



Tbag I think its a great idea, I have been growing for years and I always comeback for a refresher. I have seen teks that come and go, but the constant measure of yournsucess was never tek dependant. The same questions always arise, "why do my mushies look bad." I don't have a ton of posts on this account but I do know that notmevery noob is hopeless. Keep up the good work!



I only registered a few months after you Spitball.... I dunno why everyone thinks I'm so new - I just became more vocal.  I was already PF teking for a year before joining and started posting b/c I got tired of getting bad info from the searches.  I took my newbie knocks - ask NaH, he reamed me good a few times.

Don't worry about the hijack - I've done my fair share of it on here as well.  This was more a discussion than anything else. 

I was trying to find something positive that came out of this thread, but unfortunately there really isn't anything.  This goes to show why we cant have nice things around here....




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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: MsAngelique]
    #18804525 - 09/05/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Very well said Ang! Thank you for taking the time to type that. I feel the same way. The whole point of a forum is for questions and discussion! If all anyone did was use the search function this would become a dead forum. You can't ask a question that hasn't already been asked so I say ask away! I love discussing all aspects of mushroom cultivation. That is the best way to learn new ideas


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
    #18805002 - 09/05/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Very well said Ang! Thank you for taking the time to type that. I feel the same way. The whole point of a forum is for questions and discussion! If all anyone did was use the search function this would become a dead forum. You can't ask a question that hasn't already been asked so I say ask away! I love discussing all aspects of mushroom cultivation. That is the best way to learn new ideas




On the one hand I like the idea of a comprehensive faq where I can get all the answers quickly, there is definitely a need for that.  On the other hand, the new grower questions provide a context for discussion, humor and comaraderie which is valuable as well.

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How demeaning can you try to be to me?  How many ways can you try to make me feel unwelcome?  How many ways can you try to make me feel like if I ask anything I will come off as an idiot just because I don't have YOUR level of experience?




My intent in posting the idea was to help make the forums a better place.  I can understand your viewpoint, but when you say 'you try' 'you try' 'you try', you are clearly stating that my intentions were harmful or evil. 

I once knew a boy when I was younger and I wanted to show him a book that I thought was very interesting.  It had very small print and he needed glasses to read.  He exclaimed, to my surprise, that I had offered the book to him in order that it would hurt his eyes.  Trying to help someone see something new and then having that person turn around and say you are trying to hurt them is not a lot of fun.  Do you think I would show him a new book in the future?  Not likely.

I thought it would help make things run more smoothly for everyone, but I have since deleted the post, forget I said it.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
    #18805262 - 09/05/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I typically hang out in the Contam forum, (attempting) to help out everyone who posts over there who either hasn't gotten an answer or needs clarification. I can't really tell you what's right, but I have learned what's wrong.

I fully support the idea of an FAQ style thread that has good data compiled into one area. There's been a few times I've searched through the SE just to find some info for people over in the Contamination forum, but there's quite a few times I have to go digging through 20-30 threads to find the info I'm looking for. Let's face it, how many newer members are really going to dig that far for their answer?

Edit: That's just to figure out if their growth is contams or not. It's far easier to see if you did it wrong, then explain where you went wrong.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
    #18805528 - 09/05/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Very well said Ang! Thank you for taking the time to type that. I feel the same way. The whole point of a forum is for questions and discussion! If all anyone did was use the search function this would become a dead forum. You can't ask a question that hasn't already been asked so I say ask away! I love discussing all aspects of mushroom cultivation. That is the best way to learn new ideas




On the one hand I like the idea of a comprehensive faq where I can get all the answers quickly, there is definitely a need for that.  On the other hand, the new grower questions provide a context for discussion, humor and comaraderie which is valuable as well.

Quote:

How demeaning can you try to be to me?  How many ways can you try to make me feel unwelcome?  How many ways can you try to make me feel like if I ask anything I will come off as an idiot just because I don't have YOUR level of experience?




My intent in posting the idea was to help make the forums a better place.  I can understand your viewpoint, but when you say 'you try' 'you try' 'you try', you are clearly stating that my intentions were harmful or evil. 

I once knew a boy when I was younger and I wanted to show him a book that I thought was very interesting.  It had very small print and he needed glasses to read.  He exclaimed, to my surprise, that I had offered the book to him in order that it would hurt his eyes.  Trying to help someone see something new and then having that person turn around and say you are trying to hurt them is not a lot of fun.  Do you think I would show him a new book in the future?  Not likely.

I thought it would help make things run more smoothly for everyone, but I have since deleted the post, forget I said it.





I can understand both sides of what you proposed and what the feedback was.  It's a touchy subject as people put their hard earned money into the hobby and can take the work very personal.  I have no stance on whether its a good idea or not.

What I really think that was missed in the back and forth with you and Frank was that you were both essentially wanting/willing to help;albeit in different ways.

I liked that you expressed your idea, a forum is a great place for a sounding board for ideas - regardless of outcome.  Even though the feedback may not have been the most warming of feelings it accomplished something good.

It shows that there are still many people here willing to help, pinpoints the ones that could give a shit and was given perspective on the situation by those learning the hobby.

I was going to ask for this thread to be deleted, but instead I am going to change the main title so others don't come here thinking they are going to receive the help they are looking for.  But I think this thread serves a good purpose to maybe help them understand the personalities and ideals of some of our long term members - whether good or bad.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18805815 - 09/05/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Invitro said:
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On the other hand, the new grower questions provide a context for discussion, humor and comaraderie which is valuable as well.





Amen! Exactly what I would have said if I was better with my words! This my friends is what is important! This is what we must remember. We are all here because of our common interest and love of fungus cultivation. This is our community and it is what we make of it! So I say lets be the coolest most inviting forum on the internet! :smile:


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
    #18805830 - 09/05/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Invitro said:
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On the other hand, the new grower questions provide a context for discussion, humor and comaraderie which is valuable as well.





Amen! Exactly what I would have said if I was better with my words! This my friends is what is important! This is what we must remember. We are all here because of our common interest and love of fungus cultivation. This is our community and it is what we make of it! So I say lets be the coolest most inviting forum on the internet! :smile:





Exactly, I frequent PC message boards I get out my elitism there.  Although I have to eat some crow there was a newbie earlier I wasn't so nice to.  But that fell under the category of "I dont want to read feed me answers" and then when he got the answers it was "Well why cant I just do this"......

But with that said 95% of the newbies are ok with me - until you delete your question after you get your answer, you use SWIM, or you ask for help and go nuclear because we didnt give you a reach around about a shit set up.

Psilly, even though you wont let me kidnap your dog you're still my friend.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18805873 - 09/06/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

the problem with new growers is that they dont want to read all the pages in the threads. so maybe if you just edited the original post and put all the new questions in the OP then made an index that would help with lazy people.:thumbup:


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18805894 - 09/06/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why does all the good shit happen when I'm asleep?




It's odd... Only this hippie huggie-kissie stuff seems to go on when I sleep. =(


Why aren't you guys tearing out each others throats damnit? Who do I need to tie the raw meat to..? Could you go back to bed Tbag?


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
    #18805924 - 09/06/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Just make a puppet account and talk shit to me like a fucking troll.

Bound to get my heart a-beatin' :wink:


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18805934 - 09/06/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

We can talk all kinds of shit to frank right now. He doesn't have his stick :lol:


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18805938 - 09/06/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If the shroomery interface was redesigned a bit for the noobs, then the noobs can be redirected easier to get they're answers faster. Then the cultivation forum will probably have less of the most basic questions.


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