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Tripping and Language = Meaning?
    #18805129 - 09/05/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So me and my friend had a discussion a long time ago when we were tripping on mushrooms. The topic was about if language gives trips meaning.
For example, when I trip I think a lot - where I'm going in life, what I've already done in my past, what I'm doing and what I think about EVERYTHING else. I am constantly using a pretty big vocabulary, something that hasn't been around for THAT long.

The situation we were envisioning, was of a primitive man discovering (eating) magic mushrooms, feeling the "effects" and reacting with emotions (without the use of beautiful, exaggerated words we have created). They probably wouldn't be eating mushrooms to the extent we do now, unless the mushroom delivered some kind of importance to them.  What would that importance be? I have heard Terence McKenna talk about the whole "primitive man eating mushrooms to gain an edge on other non-shroom eaters" (obviously not an actual quote, just explaining the gist of it).

I came across a thread this thread that reminded me of this, but... I don't know, what do you shroomerites think?


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Re: Tripping and Language = Meaning? [Re: SomeGuyX]
    #18805153 - 09/05/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

thinking with words is how most humans process stimuli, i guess as children the mind is basically a sponge storing images and ideas with words.

can you imagine the first human to 'think' as we do?


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Re: Tripping and Language = Meaning? [Re: druqs]
    #18805185 - 09/05/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Like thinking in all four dimensions: molecules, words, images, time.


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Re: Tripping and Language = Meaning? [Re: druqs]
    #18805205 - 09/05/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think they more "felt" than "thought" IE When I "think" of a person I care of; it is a picture/movie and feelings; not so much verbal lines.

He wouldn't have the language we think in at times; but he might visualize those important to him, his past, the hunt, etc.  We all know the cascade of inquiry and realization that occur at such speed language is not needed and can actually hamper as we over-intellectualize; and try to "slow down the stream" to dictate it.  I know I have my best trip when I just "flow with it".

I think dictation is secondary to the stream; language secondary to the (psychedelic) experience. 

Thinking and language is great, but feeling and experience itself... that is the origin of the meaning and importance conveyed by language; the paintbrush of our imagination.


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


Edited by flickedbic (09/05/13 09:52 PM)


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Re: Tripping and Language = Meaning? [Re: flickedbic]
    #18805258 - 09/05/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think we inherently look for meaning in everything, and without expression through language we can't even reason to ourselves.

I personally think to myself using words.  I don't really know how any other way.

But when trying to explain to others, erosion is likely to occur, because you can only assume your form of expression will promote the same understanding in their human electrochemical computer.  The common denominator is culture, where everyone has more or less the same operating system, but to explain a trip is like trying to explain how it feels to love.


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