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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Konyap]
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Severe psychosis isnt egodeath. It is a loss of the self, but the fleeting ego remaining
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: I could be wrong but I don't think ego death and "losing touch with reality" are interchangeable.. I've yet to experience it so I could be wrong, but I think both concepts are their own thing.
Yeah you're correct. Ego-death is like finding "reality". Ultimately at least. There are of course hallucinatory aspects to experience itself, but the underlying themes are always very consistent to the natural order of things ime. Best way i can explain it is like being reduced to a continuous chemical/physical exchange that is the entire cosmos and watching it from a single point without actually being anything other than an objective witness. Ie you can no longer identify with things like humans and self and all those other mental constructs because they are all reduced to their very raw essence.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#20480392 - 08/26/14 05:33 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Obviously not. Ego Loss, Ego Death, Shiva Darshana, Nerodha-Samapatti or whatever else you wish to call it means there is no ego to be psychotic and no mind to display such symptoms.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Kaktos]
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I've been through psychosis many times from meth.
My most memorable time was on the sixth day of a meth binge. In this particular binge I had been punched in the face twice, stabbed in my legs, had a knife to my throat, had smoked and shot up over twenty five points. At this point I would constantly hear overlapping voices and every single car looked like a police car. I drove home and cleared my meth pipe and all the clutter from the truck I was driving. When I came home and looked at the floor, many black pencil width worms would flow around on the floor. I thought this was very amusing. I went into the shower and closed my eyes and math formulas would pop into my head and resolve themselves in the form of a visual. I looked out the window and these innocent worms were the size of snakes.
I was in my computer room, called my buddy to go out to the bar and hang and thought he was down. I must have not actually called him but anticipated his arrival. Cars would pull into my drive way and I would come to greet the people then the car would not be there. People would come in and out of my computer room and I would talk to them. Sometimes they would put a shot of heroin or meth on the table and when I would grab it it would vanish. None of this bothered me because I thought it was completely real.
Then at some point I went out into my flower garden in front of my house at night and thought there was a party. A bunch of shadow people that looked real as a real person would pour their hearts out and said they were on MDMA. I would argue with them and say meth is better then MDMA. Then a bunch of people from my school showed up and I had about ten people in my garden and we would talk and they would hit the meth pipe and I would ask for it and they would get very angry. I got my shadow friend to call my dealer and I saw a car and saw the dealer in it and tried to open it but no one was there. Then they all looked very concerned for me about my use and the tone changed. Then they would tease me and put meth in the vine of the plant and the meth would flow down the vine and I would try and collect it in cups and I woke up the next day with a bunch of little cups in my flower garden. I asked all my friends if their was a party last night and if they had fun and apparently there was no party.
Maybe that was ego death I don't know.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#20480509 - 08/26/14 05:50 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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^Damn, that sound horrible.
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xbloodwhipx said: If you completely lose touch with reality, wouldnt that be like ego death?
If by 'completely lose touch with reality' you mean someone thinks reality is X when all 'sane'/every day normal joes say reality is Y, then no.
If by 'completely lose touch with reality' you mean, lose sense of he/she who has been experiencing reality, then yes.
But people with psychosis still have a sense of "I am doing.../I am seeing...". And even if what the person says they are doing/seeing is actually false and they're just delusional....they still have the sense that THEY are doing/seeing something. Ego-death is all about....Being conscious of the here and now and realizing that that is all that is. Realizing that you don't need to do anything at all, for in this moment you're actually doing it all....but not by 'you'...by letting go of the sense of 'I'....that's what allows everything to be done without doing anything.
Crazies still have a sense of self, however delusional it may be.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: TheMule73]
#20480526 - 08/26/14 05:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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It wasn't horrible, I actually think it was the most intense experience I have ever had on drugs.
You get to the point on meth where you are so afraid, paranoid, but once you break through to the other side and are enveloped in the psychotic world, you accept it as your own reality.
That's why I consider it ego death.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx] 1
#20480555 - 08/26/14 05:59 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, psychedelics are needed for this reason, that's why apes were eating mushrooms daily, because it gave them sharper eyes, better edge detail, and the packs that were eating mushrooms were thriving while the rest fell behind, this is why medicine is so important, it naturaurally re hardwires our brains into a fashion where we are superior, we are vastly superior, but the things of society, still linger, why going as far as i have is not for the feignt of hard, heroic doses of mushrooms and cactus and LSD made me schizophrenic, but i thank god every day for the light he has shared with me, to expose the lies and get back to the truth.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#20480561 - 08/26/14 06:00 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: It wasn't horrible, I actually think it was the most intense experience I have ever had on drugs.
You get to the point on meth where you are so afraid, paranoid, but once you break through to the other side and are enveloped in the psychotic world, you accept it as your own reality.
That's why I consider it ego death.
But what you described really doesn't sound anything like a classic ego death. Nor does your description of "your own reality" make sense in the context of ego death. In ego death there is no "you".
It does sound really intense though. No doubt. I'm not sure i'd want to go through that myself
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: lonjing10]
#20482751 - 08/27/14 04:35 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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lonjing10 said: No, psychedelics are needed for this reason, that's why apes were eating mushrooms daily, because it gave them sharper eyes, better edge detail, and the packs that were eating mushrooms were thriving while the rest fell behind, this is why medicine is so important, it naturaurally re hardwires our brains into a fashion where we are superior, we are vastly superior, but the things of society, still linger, why going as far as i have is not for the feignt of hard, heroic doses of mushrooms and cactus and LSD made me schizophrenic, but i thank god every day for the light he has shared with me, to expose the lies and get back to the truth.
No, mate you just lack grounding. Other than that, youre just another tripped out entity.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#20482827 - 08/27/14 05:30 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: I've been through psychosis many times from meth.
My most memorable time was on the sixth day of a meth binge. In this particular binge I had been punched in the face twice, stabbed in my legs, had a knife to my throat, had smoked and shot up over twenty five points. At this point I would constantly hear overlapping voices and every single car looked like a police car. I drove home and cleared my meth pipe and all the clutter from the truck I was driving. When I came home and looked at the floor, many black pencil width worms would flow around on the floor. I thought this was very amusing. I went into the shower and closed my eyes and math formulas would pop into my head and resolve themselves in the form of a visual. I looked out the window and these innocent worms were the size of snakes.
I was in my computer room, called my buddy to go out to the bar and hang and thought he was down. I must have not actually called him but anticipated his arrival. Cars would pull into my drive way and I would come to greet the people then the car would not be there. People would come in and out of my computer room and I would talk to them. Sometimes they would put a shot of heroin or meth on the table and when I would grab it it would vanish. None of this bothered me because I thought it was completely real.
Then at some point I went out into my flower garden in front of my house at night and thought there was a party. A bunch of shadow people that looked real as a real person would pour their hearts out and said they were on MDMA. I would argue with them and say meth is better then MDMA. Then a bunch of people from my school showed up and I had about ten people in my garden and we would talk and they would hit the meth pipe and I would ask for it and they would get very angry. I got my shadow friend to call my dealer and I saw a car and saw the dealer in it and tried to open it but no one was there. Then they all looked very concerned for me about my use and the tone changed. Then they would tease me and put meth in the vine of the plant and the meth would flow down the vine and I would try and collect it in cups and I woke up the next day with a bunch of little cups in my flower garden. I asked all my friends if their was a party last night and if they had fun and apparently there was no party.
Maybe that was ego death I don't know.
yeah fuck man that is pretty damn intense and well beyond anything i've ever gotten into. 25 points i mean shit. thats alot. over what time period was that?
my worst was 5 days straight, i probably smoked about a gram or so in that time. i wasn't really " hitting it hard " during that binge, mostly just being functional and staying awake.
but yeah i mean did that wear off? like once you got a good sleep, were you more back to normal? my meth psychosis has always worn off almost entirely after a solid period of sleep, usually assisted by xannax.
but hearing your story of psychosis to that level, makes me think that took a much longer period to subside.
how retarded is the shit we put ourselves through, all for 'that feel'? fuckin meth. retarded ass drug. and the worst part is ocne your into meth, nothing else really compares to it or rings your bell in the same way.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Soulidarity]
#20485634 - 08/27/14 07:19 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: I've been through psychosis many times from meth.
My most memorable time was on the sixth day of a meth binge. In this particular binge I had been punched in the face twice, stabbed in my legs, had a knife to my throat, had smoked and shot up over twenty five points. At this point I would constantly hear overlapping voices and every single car looked like a police car. I drove home and cleared my meth pipe and all the clutter from the truck I was driving. When I came home and looked at the floor, many black pencil width worms would flow around on the floor. I thought this was very amusing. I went into the shower and closed my eyes and math formulas would pop into my head and resolve themselves in the form of a visual. I looked out the window and these innocent worms were the size of snakes.
I was in my computer room, called my buddy to go out to the bar and hang and thought he was down. I must have not actually called him but anticipated his arrival. Cars would pull into my drive way and I would come to greet the people then the car would not be there. People would come in and out of my computer room and I would talk to them. Sometimes they would put a shot of heroin or meth on the table and when I would grab it it would vanish. None of this bothered me because I thought it was completely real.
Then at some point I went out into my flower garden in front of my house at night and thought there was a party. A bunch of shadow people that looked real as a real person would pour their hearts out and said they were on MDMA. I would argue with them and say meth is better then MDMA. Then a bunch of people from my school showed up and I had about ten people in my garden and we would talk and they would hit the meth pipe and I would ask for it and they would get very angry. I got my shadow friend to call my dealer and I saw a car and saw the dealer in it and tried to open it but no one was there. Then they all looked very concerned for me about my use and the tone changed. Then they would tease me and put meth in the vine of the plant and the meth would flow down the vine and I would try and collect it in cups and I woke up the next day with a bunch of little cups in my flower garden. I asked all my friends if their was a party last night and if they had fun and apparently there was no party.
Maybe that was ego death I don't know.
yeah fuck man that is pretty damn intense and well beyond anything i've ever gotten into. 25 points i mean shit. thats alot. over what time period was that?
my worst was 5 days straight, i probably smoked about a gram or so in that time. i wasn't really " hitting it hard " during that binge, mostly just being functional and staying awake.
but yeah i mean did that wear off? like once you got a good sleep, were you more back to normal? my meth psychosis has always worn off almost entirely after a solid period of sleep, usually assisted by xannax.
but hearing your story of psychosis to that level, makes me think that took a much longer period to subside.
how retarded is the shit we put ourselves through, all for 'that feel'? fuckin meth. retarded ass drug. and the worst part is ocne your into meth, nothing else really compares to it or rings your bell in the same way.
That was one of my first binges. I only paid for five points and the rest was free. I'd been smoking crack too and to tell the entire story would take about half an hour person to person.
The comedown wasn't bad because it was early in my use. I pretty much woke up the next day fine.
Nothing does ring the bell like meth does. Listening to music I just associate every song with the feeling of meth and the flail and that kind of stuff. You might know what I'm talking about. Even with sex and masturbation I think of being high on meth and how good the sex and masturbation felt and it turns me on. I associate it with lots of things.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Soulidarity]
#20485656 - 08/27/14 07:25 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: I've been through psychosis many times from meth.
My most memorable time was on the sixth day of a meth binge. In this particular binge I had been punched in the face twice, stabbed in my legs, had a knife to my throat, had smoked and shot up over twenty five points. At this point I would constantly hear overlapping voices and every single car looked like a police car. I drove home and cleared my meth pipe and all the clutter from the truck I was driving. When I came home and looked at the floor, many black pencil width worms would flow around on the floor. I thought this was very amusing. I went into the shower and closed my eyes and math formulas would pop into my head and resolve themselves in the form of a visual. I looked out the window and these innocent worms were the size of snakes.
I was in my computer room, called my buddy to go out to the bar and hang and thought he was down. I must have not actually called him but anticipated his arrival. Cars would pull into my drive way and I would come to greet the people then the car would not be there. People would come in and out of my computer room and I would talk to them. Sometimes they would put a shot of heroin or meth on the table and when I would grab it it would vanish. None of this bothered me because I thought it was completely real.
Then at some point I went out into my flower garden in front of my house at night and thought there was a party. A bunch of shadow people that looked real as a real person would pour their hearts out and said they were on MDMA. I would argue with them and say meth is better then MDMA. Then a bunch of people from my school showed up and I had about ten people in my garden and we would talk and they would hit the meth pipe and I would ask for it and they would get very angry. I got my shadow friend to call my dealer and I saw a car and saw the dealer in it and tried to open it but no one was there. Then they all looked very concerned for me about my use and the tone changed. Then they would tease me and put meth in the vine of the plant and the meth would flow down the vine and I would try and collect it in cups and I woke up the next day with a bunch of little cups in my flower garden. I asked all my friends if their was a party last night and if they had fun and apparently there was no party.
Maybe that was ego death I don't know.
yeah fuck man that is pretty damn intense and well beyond anything i've ever gotten into. 25 points i mean shit. thats alot. over what time period was that?
my worst was 5 days straight, i probably smoked about a gram or so in that time. i wasn't really " hitting it hard " during that binge, mostly just being functional and staying awake.
but yeah i mean did that wear off? like once you got a good sleep, were you more back to normal? my meth psychosis has always worn off almost entirely after a solid period of sleep, usually assisted by xannax.
but hearing your story of psychosis to that level, makes me think that took a much longer period to subside.
how retarded is the shit we put ourselves through, all for 'that feel'? fuckin meth. retarded ass drug. and the worst part is ocne your into meth, nothing else really compares to it or rings your bell in the same way.
first time with meth psychosis was homeless in a new city, camping in the outer forests. dosed too high and was up for 3 days. couldn't stay at the campsite because of aliens and demon panda bears so had to hide out in the city behind churches and shit. i'm surprised i handled it as well i did looking back, sounds pretty unmanageable.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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how long was the 25 points consumed over?
but yeah pretty damn impressive that a good nights rest brought you back, even from being that far out.
i mean i've gotten to glimmers of what you've described, but that was well and truely above and beyond anything i've experienced with meth psychosis, and as i said, i was up for 5 days on only 10 points! and still didn't get anywhere near as bad as yours was!
it must have been pretty scary?? like did you realise it was all bs or were you too far gone by that point??
its weird how everything has that strange sense when your really fucked up. i can see how it would be believable if one just got way too out of it,
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Soulidarity]
#20488463 - 08/28/14 10:36 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Consumed over six days. Most smoked, some snorted, a good amount shot up.
High quality Canadian shards too.
I was so out there and not even paranoid or worried. I really thought it was all happening and so into this new world and had no doubts about it being real. When you are having a conversation with a group of people that look as real as actual people how are you supposed to tell?
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#20488892 - 08/28/14 12:46 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah it's scary shit because thinking back on it, they've always looked ' real ' , but it has this oddness to it that always makes me realise its fake. Difficult to explain.
Kind of interesting that you decided to keep using the drug as well, with your first experience being a 6 day bender! Most people would just say ooookay fuck this drug! Lol
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: tradjik]
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xbloodwhipx said: If you completely lose touch with reality, wouldnt that be like ego death? Is it possible to lose touch with reality to the point of ego death? Like can you mentally go "that far" without using drugs?
No severe psychosis is the total opposite of ego death. It is a deluded state in which ego is out of control, unbounded even by the illusory world you think you are now immersed in.
For the record I am a fully enlightened krishna conciousness buddha now so I have a lot of experience with ego death, and how it becomes permanent. There is no longer any "I" in what you're looking at, in fact it is almost difficult to wear the human suit and interact with other creatures in the hologram you call reality.
How do you explain my loss of ego while in a psychotic state, then?
BTW, no fully enlightened person would have the gall to call themselves "fully" enlightened.
Simply. By overcoming it at that moment. Your psychosis came to an end! The engine of it broke down.
Delusions of grandeur, anxiety, agitation and paranoia are not possibilities with ego death, to recall.
In this state, you cannot reference anything to yourself, because there's no concept of yourself. You are simply awareness/observing void that may or may not have retained its memories depending on the dose.
Psychosis and ego death are polar opposites.
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