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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #19351531 - 12/31/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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If you completely lose touch with reality, wouldnt that be like ego death? Is it possible to lose touch with reality to the point of ego death? Like can you mentally go "that far" without using drugs?



No severe psychosis is the total opposite of ego death. It is a deluded state in which ego is out of control, unbounded even by the illusory world you think you are now immersed in.

For the record I am a fully enlightened krishna conciousness buddha now so I have a lot of experience with ego death, and how it becomes permanent. There is no longer any "I" in what you're looking at, in fact it is almost difficult to wear the human suit and interact with other creatures in the hologram you call reality.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #19351566 - 12/31/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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If you completely lose touch with reality, wouldnt that be like ego death? Is it possible to lose touch with reality to the point of ego death? Like can you mentally go "that far" without using drugs?



No severe psychosis is the total opposite of ego death. It is a deluded state in which ego is out of control, unbounded even by the illusory world you think you are now immersed in.

For the record I am a fully enlightened krishna conciousness buddha now so I have a lot of experience with ego death, and how it becomes permanent. There is no longer any "I" in what you're looking at, in fact it is almost difficult to wear the human suit and interact with other creatures in the hologram you call reality.




Interesting post, that last line resonates in my mind quite strongly. I experienced ego death for the first time after consuming 5g of mushrooms. Returning to reality and simply interacting with people as a challenge for a while, made living a "normal" life difficult. I eventually learned to accept the experience though


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19351676 - 12/31/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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xbloodwhipx said:
If you completely lose touch with reality, wouldnt that be like ego death? Is it possible to lose touch with reality to the point of ego death? Like can you mentally go "that far" without using drugs?



No severe psychosis is the total opposite of ego death. It is a deluded state in which ego is out of control, unbounded even by the illusory world you think you are now immersed in.

For the record I am a fully enlightened krishna conciousness buddha now so I have a lot of experience with ego death, and how it becomes permanent. There is no longer any "I" in what you're looking at, in fact it is almost difficult to wear the human suit and interact with other creatures in the hologram you call reality.




How do you explain my loss of ego while in a psychotic state, then?

BTW, no fully enlightened person would have the gall to call themselves "fully" enlightened.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: tradjik]
    #19351689 - 12/31/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

My psychosis involved seeing messages directed towards me everywhere I went. Hearing voices that would tell me things were going to happen, and then they did in a way that doesn't make sense.

At times it felt like an Alien was sucking out my thoughts and replacing them with images. Believing people were talking with me telepathically and everyone was out to get me.

All this shit started with an "ego death" experience though. Everything stemmed from that moment where I thought I was being re-born as a new person and that is what I contributed a lot of my delusions on.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #19351706 - 12/31/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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My psychosis involved seeing messages directed towards me everywhere I went. Hearing voices that would tell me things were going to happen, and then they did in a way that doesn't make sense.

At times it felt like an Alien was sucking out my thoughts and replacing them with images. Believing people were talking with me telepathically and everyone was out to get me.

All this shit started with an "ego death" experience though. Everything stemmed from that moment where I thought I was being re-born as a new person and that is what I contributed a lot of my delusions on.




My psychosis was mostly like being completely overwhelmed in synchronicity to the point where I couldn't discern what was external and what was internal. I also had periods of grandiose delusions mixed with a constant stream of paranoid delusions. It started with an ego that inflated so big that it popped and I was left picking up the pieces. Ego death is a pervasive pattern in many stories of psychosis.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: tradjik]
    #19351719 - 12/31/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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My psychosis involved seeing messages directed towards me everywhere I went. Hearing voices that would tell me things were going to happen, and then they did in a way that doesn't make sense.

At times it felt like an Alien was sucking out my thoughts and replacing them with images. Believing people were talking with me telepathically and everyone was out to get me.

All this shit started with an "ego death" experience though. Everything stemmed from that moment where I thought I was being re-born as a new person and that is what I contributed a lot of my delusions on.




My psychosis was mostly like being completely overwhelmed in synchronicity to the point where I couldn't discern what was external and what was internal. I also had periods of grandiose delusions mixed with a constant stream of paranoid delusions. It started with an ego that inflated so big that it popped and I was left picking up the pieces. Ego death is a pervasive pattern in many stories of psychosis.




I had that too:lol:

The synchronicity became overwhelming. Everything would be so related to each other that it was impossible for there to be any other explanation, so I would start becoming delusional. I believed so many crazy things that I am past embarrassment when I try to explain it to people.

Everything was just so damn connected...


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #19351739 - 12/31/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Rhizohunter said:
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tradjik said:
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Rhizohunter said:
My psychosis involved seeing messages directed towards me everywhere I went. Hearing voices that would tell me things were going to happen, and then they did in a way that doesn't make sense.

At times it felt like an Alien was sucking out my thoughts and replacing them with images. Believing people were talking with me telepathically and everyone was out to get me.

All this shit started with an "ego death" experience though. Everything stemmed from that moment where I thought I was being re-born as a new person and that is what I contributed a lot of my delusions on.




My psychosis was mostly like being completely overwhelmed in synchronicity to the point where I couldn't discern what was external and what was internal. I also had periods of grandiose delusions mixed with a constant stream of paranoid delusions. It started with an ego that inflated so big that it popped and I was left picking up the pieces. Ego death is a pervasive pattern in many stories of psychosis.




I had that too:lol:

The synchronicity became overwhelming. Everything would be so related to each other that it was impossible for there to be any other explanation, so I would start becoming delusional. I believed so many crazy things that I am past embarrassment when I try to explain it to people.

Everything was just so damn connected...




Exactly, man. It's like when someone who is completely grounded in reality sees that all the evidence points to something, so they assume that it must be true. Except that someone who is in a psychotic state finds evidence EVERYWHERE, because everything is a pattern and has meaning relating to what they are currently thinking about...


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: tradjik]
    #19351768 - 12/31/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

It's kind of like a cop who is looking for a serial killer and is finding messages that are pointing them to a new location or idea of who the next victim is. Except there is no end to this manhunt and you are just crawling deeper and deeper into a hole of your own delusions.

I can't even explain the delusions, but it felt like I was in a time warp. I needed to keep following this train of thought to get out of it, but that only led me farther and farther into my delusions. I would watch people and see others do odd things that would tie into my thoughts. My thoughts and this reality were so fuckin connected that I could not get out.

I would think things and then other things would appear. They had to be connected somehow though, and I would always find a way to tie them into my delusion.

Feels good to be out of that train of thought, but just today I started getting messages again. Doctors say I am schizoaffective, and it's sad, but I kind of find peace in this psychotic mindframe.

Reality might become blurred again for me, but at least I know that this shit isn't real now. There was no way I would have believed this to be mental illness when I was in it that deep last summer.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: tradjik]
    #19351769 - 12/31/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I've felt like mushrooms cause the most distorted thinking I've ever experienced. Even the hour or two after I'm no longer tripping, I have a hard time not allowing my thoughts to get out of control. I'm pretty convinced this experience is close to what psychosis is like.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: koods] * 3
    #19351796 - 12/31/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

i've been monitoring ellis's brainwaves for some time now and i assure you he is fully enlightened.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: teamkiller]
    #19353171 - 12/31/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

NO!! Psychosis is NOTHING like an ego death. Yah you're out of touch with reality but you still have a FULL sense of yourself.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #19353303 - 01/01/14 12:08 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I didn't read the whole thread, so if this has been said, forgive me.
I think that permanently being unaware of existence (ego-death) without drugs is just being a vegetable; brain dead. Not crazy.
But, I could be wrong. I think if it were from craziness, it'd be more from the drugs you're being fed constantly at the but house than the psychosis itself.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: TopPmz]
    #19353875 - 01/01/14 07:22 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

people who spend their whole life meditating can reach egodeath any time they chose
and also people who have been not meditating for that long

egodeath is just no definitions/no thoughts
it is a pretty pleasant state, union with all

most buddhists wouldnt mind going there

psychosis is something completely different, usually the opposite, lots of thoughts
mind going crazy from thought overload


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #19353885 - 01/01/14 07:27 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)



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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: lessismore]
    #19353907 - 01/01/14 07:43 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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mio said:
egodeath is just no definitions/no thoughts
it is a pretty pleasant state, union with all




there is a polar opposite when it comes to ego loss. 

full - empty
connection - dissociated/spaced
light - black (like space)
full of feeling - void of feeling

I've experienced both sides of ego loss; one is absolute bliss/timelessness, identification with the "great white light".  on the other side of the spectrum, no such bliss exists.  it is not pleasant before completely breaking through.  the complete silencing of the thought process is maddening, especially when you can't turn it back on.  you question if you lost your mind forever (at least if this is your first time with this sort of experience).  those who have taken a very large dose of MAOI + M. Hostilis can probably identify with this.

There are stories of Sadgurus in India who lose their shit too, also with some who attend Vipassana meditation retreats.  When you meditate for long enough you can enter a state where you feel like you're completely losing your mind while feeling stuck/expanded out of body.  I think that anyone who goes through this will find it to be too extremely intense and shocking for it to be labelled as generally pleasant.  To lose control of the wheel is madness.  The old mystics called it "The Divine Madness".


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Hobozen]
    #19353935 - 01/01/14 08:04 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

yup :-)

the ego doesnt like letting go

grounding helped me(nature), else it can get unpleasant at times, disassociated like you say
weed isnt a good grounding IMO :-)

had to stop using that permanently, it just messed up my thoughts


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: lessismore]
    #19354117 - 01/01/14 09:47 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

yeah man i know what you mean, weed in combination with lsd is what would send me off into the deep end.. scary stuff indeed but a good lesson in confronting and coming face to face with certain aspects of the self and existence which might be overlooked in those other more blissful trips.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #19354184 - 01/01/14 10:15 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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If you completely lose touch with reality, wouldnt that be like ego death? Is it possible to lose touch with reality to the point of ego death? Like can you mentally go "that far" without using drugs?



No man, psychosis is nothing like ego death.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #20480093 - 08/26/14 04:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I stumbled in this old topic right here, sorry, and I found this question very interesting one, so I couldn't refrain from giving my POV.

I don't think psychosis is the same as ego death, why?

For being able to elicit a life changing experience, as in ego death, a given understanding must be first... understood!

The enlightenment you feel with the ego death is a post-effect of some moment of truth or perfection of yourself.

Psychosis (as in schizophrenia), on the other hand, permanently disable your clear understanding of things and so you will never have a valid way to compare what you're feeling now with what you felt a given time ago.

This way you cannot, really, "learn" with psychosis in the way you learn with a genuine, clear cut experience of ego death and, so, these things in my understanding are not synonym.

If you could "revert" schizophrenia, then, with proper amount of time and hard work on self-knowledge (and it wouldn't be easy), it also could be called an "ego death experience".


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: AKellerman]
    #20480132 - 08/26/14 04:37 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

schizophrenia has been curable since the day it was discovered

you just need to submerge yourself in water and it's completely gone!


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