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xbloodwhipx

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Is severe psychosis like ego death?
#18804865 - 09/05/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you completely lose touch with reality, wouldnt that be like ego death? Is it possible to lose touch with reality to the point of ego death? Like can you mentally go "that far" without using drugs?
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#18804868 - 09/05/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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xbloodwhipx said: Like can you mentally go "that far" without using drugs?
And i mean from mental illness, not from sensory deprivation or mediation or anything like that
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#18804876 - 09/05/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think thats what schizophrenia is like
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx] 1
#18804879 - 09/05/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would say no.... my flirtation with Psychosis has always been ripe with lots of good old fashioned paranoia. If you experience ego death theres not really much to be paranoid about is there? Idk thats just the way I see it.
To me paranoia is the opposite of ego death, its worrying about stuff that will happen to you.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Taybs]
#18804881 - 09/05/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Taybs said: i think thats what schizophrenia is like
I dont think you completely lose your ego from schizophrenia but i could be wrong.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Taybs] 2
#18804883 - 09/05/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Taybs said: i think thats what schizophrenia is like
Schizophrenics I've met have had massive ego inflation - they think they're the son of god, the antichrist etc. etc.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx] 1
#18804885 - 09/05/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I could be wrong but I don't think ego death and "losing touch with reality" are interchangeable.. I've yet to experience it so I could be wrong, but I think both concepts are their own thing.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Shroomslip]
#18804891 - 09/05/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ego death is the complete obliteration of your concept of your self. The realization that you are no better than anyone else, and that value is yet to determined upon recovery.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Shroomslip]
#18804897 - 09/05/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: I could be wrong but I don't think ego death and "losing touch with reality" are interchangeable.. I've yet to experience it so I could be wrong, but I think both concepts are their own thing.
You are completely not mentally in reality when you have ego death, you dont know what earth/people are or what you are, I would say they are interchangeable.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#18804933 - 09/05/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was under the impression ego death was kind of like a gradual thing...not like it just happens and you're there...
ego death to me was on an eighth of mushrooms and every thought "I" had was completely obliterated by the truth that "I" was a lie and almost every thought I had was proven wrong...it was wrong..."I" realized "I" was a made up thing by "me" which was pretty fucking devastating...you know how you get your heart broken when your partner of a long time leaves you or your best friend betrays you or you find out you were adopted or something...ego death is a lot like that I think except it applies to everything you've ever known....I realized I live a complete lie that night and I know to this day I still do....it's pretty fuckin redick and no one wants to admit it but it's always happening
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: berdinwall] 2
#18804945 - 09/05/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So is this ego death like, a real thing or something made up by hippies?
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: volcomstoner]
#18804979 - 09/05/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ego death to me was being completely shut off from emotions about anything. Everything just is the way its supposed to be. There was no more me to react to things anymore, so I viewed them for what they really are.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: berdinwall]
#18805005 - 09/05/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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berdinwall said: I was under the impression ego death was kind of like a gradual thing...not like it just happens and you're there...
ego death to me was on an eighth of mushrooms and every thought "I" had was completely obliterated by the truth that "I" was a lie and almost every thought I had was proven wrong...it was wrong..."I" realized "I" was a made up thing by "me" which was pretty fucking devastating...you know how you get your heart broken when your partner of a long time leaves you or your best friend betrays you or you find out you were adopted or something...ego death is a lot like that I think except it applies to everything you've ever known....I realized I live a complete lie that night and I know to this day I still do....it's pretty fuckin redick and no one wants to admit it but it's always happening
Yeah well IME the end product is nothingness and everything at once. Trying to put it in words is near impossible. But there was certainly no "reality" involved.
At first it was like i was becoming less and less aware of my surronding and more inside of my own mind. Then my surrondings began to fade into a melting mess and i shut my eyes. Thats when i started losing my sense of who i am and where i was. Then i forgot i was on drugs, i still knew i was a person and on earth, but at some point that faded also. Then it was like i was just... Gone. I cant put it into words. At some point i started to become aware again and comedown.
Also, there where no earthly "things" existent. As far as im concerned i was in a different realm of awareness and existence, but A very peaceful yet very chaotic one. Also i dont know if I remember the peak. I felt like i was in the presence of something greater. Not a being or spirit or god. Just something that was there, i felt like i was part of it. Its hurting my brain to try to explain it.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#18805030 - 09/05/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i've had psycosis pretty bad, still getting over it really to some degree even though its been 2 and a bit years.
i never experience ego death per se (as it is quite a hard thing to describe) but i am a changed person.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#18805058 - 09/05/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah in a way. I mean when I had ego death from gnarly shrooms I felt pretty fucking schizophrenic but something that is probably closer and I recently just experienced is GABAergic withdrawal. Heard voices, felt shit crawling on me, extreme primal paranoia, pretty much everything, racing thoughts, dreams were like reality to the point when I woke up I thought the dreams actually happened, fuck everything that can go wrong involves GABA receptors going ape shit. All from taking Phenibut once and then going on a 3 day drinking spree. I think I had some acute (minor) Delirium tremens even though I only drink once-twice a week if that. Probably why they say don't mix phenibut with alcohol EVER!!
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The main symptoms of delirium tremens are nightmares, agitation, global confusion, disorientation, visual and [7] auditory hallucinations, fever, hypertension, diaphoresis, and other signs of autonomic hyperactivity (tachycardia and hypertension). These symptoms may appear suddenly but can develop 2–3 days after cessation of drinking heavily with its highest intensity on the fourth or fifth day.[8] Also, these "symptoms are characteristically worse at night".[9] In general DT is considered as the most severe manifestation of alcohol withdrawal, which occurs 3–10 days following the last drink.[7] Other common symptoms include intense perceptual disturbance such as visions of insects, snakes, or rats. These may be hallucinations, or illusions related to the environment, e.g., patterns on the wallpaper or in the peripheral vision that the patient falsely perceives as a resemblance to the morphology of an insect, and are also associated with tactile hallucinations such as sensations of something crawling on the subject — a phenomenon known as formication. Delirium tremens usually includes extremely intense feelings of "impending doom". Severe anxiety and feelings of imminent death are symptomatic of DT.
DT can sometimes be associated with severe, uncontrollable tremors of the extremities and secondary symptoms such as anxiety, panic attacks and paranoia. Confusion is often noticeable to onlookers as patients will have trouble constructing simple sentences or making basic logical calculations. In many cases, people who rarely speak out of turn will have an increased tendency for gaffes even though they are sober.
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Gorlax]
#18805087 - 09/05/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah but like what im asking is, is it possible to go so crazy that you are unaware of ANTHTHING? Like your body is there but your mind may as well be dead?
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx] 1
#18805099 - 09/05/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd say they are polar opposites.
Psychosis is all about you. Ego death there is no you.
Edited by luvdemboomers (09/05/13 08:55 PM)
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#18805104 - 09/05/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sure every point in the spectrum has more or less been covered by someone
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: twighead]
#18805130 - 09/05/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, just the definition of severe psychosis has always confused me. Wouldnt complete loss of contact with reality mean you where like... Mentally turned off?
Then some defintions make it sound like delirium.
I guess i could compare it to drugs. Is severe psychosis more like being on DMT (blasted out of reality, unresponsive and mentally unaware of yourself) or datura?
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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#18805295 - 09/05/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ego death and psychosis are worlds apart. I have experienced my fair share of both and they have very little in common. ego loss is like a way to experience the universe, which is essentially nothing-ness. Psychosis on the other hand causes you to see things in a very linear way, which in turn shuts you down from your self and reality. IME After one experiences ego death, it usually causes a positive lifestyle change. Psychosis causes a negative lifestyle changes(amongst other things) AS it's occurring.
So although the textbook definition of both things sounds similar, they honestly couldnt be further apart.
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