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Boiling to sterilize
#18804854 - 09/05/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats the recommended method, size of jars,and medium for best results. Im a little low on funds but I got enough to kickstart a grow. I know its not the best method but its all I can do, for now.
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Mush4Brains
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PF Tek. You literally can do nothing else.
Shea does it right.
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Mush4Brains said: PF Tek. You literally can do nothing else.
Shea does it right.
what he said unless you have a PC kicking around.
funny story actually I had a pretty nice PC laying in my cubbard for years but I didnt know it was until I bought a 23qt one haha.
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Mush4Brains said: PF Tek. You literally can do nothing else.
Shea does it right.
I know, Im wondering if theres a specific size of jar that would work better, or a medium thats more readily sterilized at boiling temps, and how long should I boil them for?
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Short half pint wide mouth jars, with brown rice flour and verm.....
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
#18805011 - 09/05/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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omfg, im asking for some pretty specific things here. Not links to pf teks, your help is appreciated but none of you are answering anything that Im requesting.
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Are you fucking serious? How about you read the fucking thread. What part of "this is the only thing that will work for you" do you not fucking understand?
Yeah, I didn't realize it was Bodhi of Ankou asking these questions. Fucking troll.
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He just answered all three of your questions exactly
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Bodhi of Ankou said: omfg, im asking for some pretty specific things here. Not links to pf teks, your help is appreciated but none of you are answering anything that Im requesting.
wait what is it you really want? a TEK or do you want us to tell you what you need?
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: kinkaku]
#18805047 - 09/05/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea, sorry bro.....
Be more specific here....we're only trying to help....
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Mush4Brains said: Are you fucking serious? How about you read the fucking thread. What part of "this is the only thing that will work for you" do you not fucking understand?
Yeah, I didn't realize it was Bodhi of Ankou asking these questions. Fucking troll.
GOD DAMMINT. Im asking for specifics, not a fucking tek. IS the PF tek really the best option? Why? Are there different sized jars that would work better? Would bigger ones be more suitable? or tiny ones? How long should I boil them for? The one thing NOBODIES ANSWERED. Or does the medium make a difference? Christ. Fucking wannabe grow gurus.
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Yo. What part of "you literally can do nothing else" do you not understand. No other size of jars will work. No other substrate will work. You've been here since '09, UTFSE if you really don't believe us.
Read the fucking thread I linked. It has every answer you need.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: GOD DAMMINT. Im asking for specifics, not a fucking tek. IS the PF tek really the best option? Why?
READ THE FUCKING TEKS WE ARE LINKING YOU!
THE SPECIFICS ARE IN THERE!
Yes PF Tek is your best option if you do not have a PC.
Hell you could take the fully colonized cakes and spawn them to bulk.
We have to remember....
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Im a little low on funds
So PF Tek is the answer....but obviously not the one you wanted....
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Or does the medium make a difference? Christ. Fucking wannabe grow gurus.
Fuck you bro...eat a dick....learn to read....BRF is the best medium if you do not have a PC and are on a budget....get a life....
I am done with this prick.....fuck this....
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pint jars are the standard any bigger and you risk stalling or contaminations.
brown rice flower and vermiculite is the best standard substrate.
boil for 90 minutes? I think? I do grain not PF tek 
Pf tek can be low cost and very kind to less experienced growers and you can still yeild a decent amount.
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
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Mush4Brains said: Are you fucking serious? How about you read the fucking thread. What part of "this is the only thing that will work for you" do you not fucking understand?
Yeah, I didn't realize it was Bodhi of Ankou asking these questions. Fucking troll.
GOD DAMMINT. Im asking for specifics, not a fucking tek. IS the PF tek really the best option? Why? Are there different sized jars that would work better? Would bigger ones be more suitable? or tiny ones? How long should I boil them for? The one thing NOBODIES ANSWERED. Or does the medium make a difference? Christ. Fucking wannabe grow gurus.
The tek IS the specifics. You said yourself you can't afford anything big. Wide mouth half pint jars are perfect. Larger jars tend to stall out. Boil them for 90 minutes to 2 hours.
Dude if you had watched the videos notahacker linked you to you would see ALL of your questions answered.
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i think he just wants quick answers which we all know hurts the grow in the long run.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: How long should I boil them for? The one thing NOBODIES ANSWERED
You never asked that buddy.
Get out of here with your attitude
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Mush4Brains said: Are you fucking serious? How about you read the fucking thread. What part of "this is the only thing that will work for you" do you not fucking understand?
Yeah, I didn't realize it was Bodhi of Ankou asking these questions. Fucking troll.
GOD DAMMINT. Im asking for specifics, not a fucking tek. IS the PF tek really the best option? Why? Are there different sized jars that would work better? Would bigger ones be more suitable? or tiny ones? How long should I boil them for? The one thing NOBODIES ANSWERED. Or does the medium make a difference? Christ. Fucking wannabe grow gurus.
That's because you never mentioned if you were wanting do to PF style jars or whole grains. The answer to your questions depend on that.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: Kizzle]
#18805146 - 09/05/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No it doesn't. He wants to boil to sterilize. PF Tek only.
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You can steam sterilize grains for 8 hours....
So doing grains is possible without a PC...
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
#18805204 - 09/05/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: GOD DAMMINT. Im asking for specifics, not a fucking tek. IS the PF tek really the best option? Why?
READ THE FUCKING TEKS WE ARE LINKING YOU!
THE SPECIFICS ARE IN THERE!
Yes PF Tek is your best option if you do not have a PC.
Hell you could take the fully colonized cakes and spawn them to bulk.
We have to remember....
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Im a little low on funds
So PF Tek is the answer....but obviously not the one you wanted....
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Or does the medium make a difference? Christ. Fucking wannabe grow gurus.
Fuck you bro...eat a dick....learn to read....BRF is the best medium if you do not have a PC and are on a budget....get a life....
I am done with this prick.....fuck this....
Thank you.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
#18805222 - 09/05/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: You can steam sterilize grains for 8 hours....
So doing grains is possible without a PC...
You can, technically, but it isn't practical.
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Mush4Brains said:
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Notahacker420 said: You can steam sterilize grains for 8 hours....
So doing grains is possible without a PC...
You can, technically, but it isn't practical.
Sure it is....if you are dead set on using grains....
And have 8 hours.....
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
#18805249 - 09/05/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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And multiple gallons of water to boil off.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
#18805252 - 09/05/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why do grains have to be sterilized for so much longer?
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Because there's more air around the grains and air doesn't transfer the heat as well as the wet substrate in a PF jar.
That's just my theory BTW. There could be other reasons.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Why do grains have to be sterilized for so much longer?
if you boil them they will take longer. if you have a pressure cooker they take from 60 to 90 mins
as for why? probably something along the lines of what kizzle said. along with the fact that grains are more dense than BRF.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
#18805726 - 09/05/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
Fuck you bro...eat a dick....learn to read....BRF is the best medium if you do not have a PC and are on a budget....get a life....
I am done with this prick.....fuck this....
Lmao that was fucking awesome
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: SuperFly]
#18805839 - 09/05/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP Joined 06/02/09 Has this many posts Posts: 14,975
Then look at the questions and reply the OP gives to answers.
Good troll is good.
It would be impossible not to have come across the answers to OP's own questions in that many posts here unless he is a complete fucking retard.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: bodhisatta]
#18805860 - 09/05/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: OP Joined 06/02/09 Has this many posts Posts: 14,975
Then look at the questions and reply the OP gives to answers.
Good troll is good.
It would be impossible not to have come across the answers to OP's own questions in that many posts here unless he is a complete fucking retard.
From reading here a while I've noticed that there are a lot of faces that only show up in mushroom cultivation and a lot that show up only in the pub or other threads. This forum is definitely bigger than mushroom cultivation. As of this writing there are 190 users reading the pub compared to 66 on the cultivation forum. Just saying, you could easily spend 3 years here only talking about using psychedelics and never really concerning yourself with wanting to grow them yourself. Not that I don't think these questions being asked are kinda ridiculous considering the versatile search function available. Just saying... Post count doesn't mean you know anything about growing mushrooms here.
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bodhisatta said: OP Joined 06/02/09 Has this many posts Posts: 14,975
Then look at the questions and reply the OP gives to answers.
Good troll is good.
It would be impossible not to have come across the answers to OP's own questions in that many posts here unless he is a complete fucking retard.
From reading here a while I've noticed that there are a lot of faces that only show up in mushroom cultivation and a lot that show up only in the pub or other threads. This forum is definitely bigger than mushroom cultivation. As of this writing there are 190 users reading the pub compared to 66 on the cultivation forum. Just saying, you could easily spend 3 years here only talking about using psychedelics and never really concerning yourself with wanting to grow them yourself. Not that I don't think these questions being asked are kinda ridiculous considering the versatile search function available. Just saying... Post count doesn't mean you know anything about growing mushrooms here.
the pubbers will tell you that once you get sucked in its hard to leave the pub personally I dont understand
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: kinkaku]
#18805906 - 09/06/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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the pubbers will tell you that once you get sucked in its hard to leave the pub personally I dont understand
With you on that one.
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Despite the fact that OP is acting as if everyone in Mush Cult owes him answers to all his questions, regardless of how rude he is or how accessible the information already is, let me offer one bit of info here that may not be made explicitly clear in the links that have been offered:
Boiling jars is not how we sterilize them. Even without a pressure cooker, you still want to sterilize using steam. For one thing, if the jars are in boiling water you'll risk water getting inside them and throwing off the moisture content of the substrate. But, also -- steam at any given temperature transfers more heat than water at the same temperature because it condenses.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: toxetel]
#18806519 - 09/06/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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the pubbers will tell you that once you get sucked in its hard to leave the pub personally I dont understand
With you on that one.
Even still you know how to use the site and I'm sure have lurked cultivation. Worst case you would at least know how not to be a dick anymore.
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toxetel said: Despite the fact that OP is acting as if everyone in Mush Cult owes him answers to all his questions, regardless of how rude he is or how accessible the information already is, let me offer one bit of info here that may not be made explicitly clear in the links that have been offered:
Boiling jars is not how we sterilize them. Even without a pressure cooker, you still want to sterilize using steam. For one thing, if the jars are in boiling water you'll risk water getting inside them and throwing off the moisture content of the substrate. But, also -- steam at any given temperature transfers more heat than water at the same temperature because it condenses.
Exactly we don't want the PF jars touching the water at all. The water should be under the jars.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: OP Joined 06/02/09 Has this many posts Posts: 14,975
Then look at the questions and reply the OP gives to answers.
Good troll is good.
It would be impossible not to have come across the answers to OP's own questions in that many posts here unless he is a complete fucking retard.
This is the first time I've been in here in years.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: bodhisatta]
#18807308 - 09/06/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Exactly we don't want the PF jars touching the water at all. The water should be under the jars.
Not entirely true.
It is ok for the water to come an inch or so up the jars.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
#18807492 - 09/06/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What's wrong with water coming up on the jars? Also, I've been a member of this forum for close to ten years now. Only recently got into cult. Late bloomer I gather. Always had the intention, but, such is life. that and, time fucking flys. Lol.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: DeadPhan]
#18809364 - 09/06/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not seeking to be argumentative, especially in the face of more experienced cultivators disagreeing with me, but if the water touches the jars, less heat will be transferred to the jars in a given amount of time. The chemical phenomenon at play is called enthalpy of vaporization -- the amount of energy it takes to turn water into steam. When the steam condenses back into water on the jars, it releases that energy into the jars, thereby heating it up more than it would if it just were conducting heat into the jars the way water does.
The latent heat of vaporization is a lot of energy -- the rule of thumb is that 212-degree steam contains about 700% as much heat as 212-degree water.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: toxetel]
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toxetel said: I'm not seeking to be argumentative, especially in the face of more experienced cultivators disagreeing with me, but if the water touches the jars, less heat will be transferred to the jars in a given amount of time.
If you are trying to say that this somehow effects the overall success of the sterilization session, my personal experience says that is bullshit.
I have had the water come 1.5-2" up the bottom of my grain jars in my PC, and have not seen a mass contam from it.
I have done the same thing with cakes, and so have 1000s of other people.
Just sayin, you are thinking way too hard about this.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: toxetel]
#18809414 - 09/06/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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toxetel said: I'm not seeking to be argumentative, especially in the face of more experienced cultivators disagreeing with me, but if the water touches the jars, less heat will be transferred to the jars in a given amount of time. The chemical phenomenon at play is called enthalpy of vaporization -- the amount of energy it takes to turn water into steam. When the steam condenses back into water on the jars, it releases that energy into the jars, thereby heating it up more than it would if it just were conducting heat into the jars the way water does.
The latent heat of vaporization is a lot of energy -- the rule of thumb is that 212-degree steam contains about 700% as much heat as 212-degree water.

as long as you reach the right temp it really doesnt matter how you do it.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
#18811412 - 09/07/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Might this be my contam source? I usually have the water up a quarter up my jars. At least 2 inches. I was told once that this was the norm. Now I wonder.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: DeadPhan]
#18811577 - 09/07/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I doubt that having the water 2" above the bottom of the jars is hurting much.
The center of the jar is still gonna heat up.... Maybe someone else's opinion on this would help.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
#18811655 - 09/07/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, of course if you get it all to the right temperature for a long enough amount of time, that is all that matters in the end. And part of the jar is still being exposed to steam even if part of it isn't.
I'm just stating what chemistry and physics say will happen. Letting the water touch won't lower the ultimate temperature but just slow the heat transfer, so if you let it go long enough it'll still work, of course. And maybe 90 minutes is long enough.
But it's worth noting that in RogerRabbit's PF Tek video he specifies that you keep the jars "completely out of the water." And Shea25's PF Tek writeup says to fill the water "just almost to the bottom of the jars." And EvilMushroom666's PF Tek writeup says to "make sure [the jars] are not in direct contact with the water."
From what I can tell, those three are the most commonly referenced BRF jar writeups these days. You may get away with letting the water touch the jars when you steam PF jars, but it's not following any of those teks.
Interestingly, the original PF Tek does say it's okay for jars to sit in the water. Of course, it also says you only need to steam for an hour (modern teks call for 90 minutes). And says not to use the jars right away afterwards, but instead to watch them for contamination because, well, actually, an hour might not have been enough. And it says that you can wipe your needle with rubbing alcohol soaked cotton (which we now know can have living mold spores in it) instead of steam sterilizing. Sounds to me like PF's original tek played it pretty fast and loose and required you to tolerate a relatively high level of contams by today's stardards.
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: toxetel]
#18812033 - 09/07/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't read whole thread because i'm wondering how someone with almost 15,000 post knows dick about shrooms. Just saying bro, it aint that fucking hard. And from what I've read your attitude is shit.
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Fractional sterilization is the best option, it also makes casings possible. You guys suck.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Fractional sterilization is the best option, it also makes casings possible. You guys suck.
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RogerRabbit said: Fractional sterilization is a joke. It fails more than it succeeds. Use your PC. RR
www.shroomery.org/forums/newreply.php?Cat=0&Board=2&Number=13770083&page=0&what=showflat&fpart=1&vc=1&q=1&replystamp=1381517215
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RogerRabbit said: If you don't wish to sterilize by traditional proved methods, you can simply boil as in the brf tek for 8 hours and this will sterilize grains. Fractional sterilization is a failed tek that has been disproved for many years. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16725278#16725278
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RogerRabbit said: Fractional sterilization fails a majority of the time. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/newreply.php?Cat=0&Board=2&Number=14562130&page=0&what=showflat&fpart=1&vc=1&q=1&replystamp=1381517336
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This thread has been closed.
Reason:
Shutting it down.
OP- ask more specific questions if you want specific answers. Don't post some vague question and expect everyone to read your mind and know what you are looking for then bitch when you don't get the answers you want.
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