Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlinechugginchaga
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 18
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
What is this?
    #18804765 - 09/05/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I saw this polypore growing on a log in a park in Toronto on my way home from work today. Don't really have much other info to offer...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: chugginchaga]
    #18804769 - 09/05/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wow. I dunno. Did you get a shot of the underside? Or perhaps a spore print?

I bet a print is not necessary for this ID but the underside shot is.


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinechugginchaga
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 18
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18804783 - 09/05/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I could try to turn the log tomorrow for an underside shot..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: chugginchaga]
    #18804786 - 09/05/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I bet Gravija will know what it is.


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleparacelsus
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/13
Posts: 622
Loc: A shady grove Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18804790 - 09/05/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Piptoporus betulinus


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18804793 - 09/05/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:highfive:


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinechugginchaga
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 18
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18804892 - 09/05/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nice... Thanks :-)
I'm going to grab it on my way home from work tomorrow and take a few more pics to make 100% sure.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleparacelsus
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/13
Posts: 622
Loc: A shady grove Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: chugginchaga] * 1
    #18804954 - 09/05/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

chugginchaga said:
Nice... Thanks :-)
I'm going to grab it on my way home from work tomorrow and take a few more pics to make 100% sure.




Sure of what?

This mushroom is not edible.

&

This mushroom will cause explosive diarrhea.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18804980 - 09/05/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To make sure it has pores silly billy.


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleparacelsus
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/13
Posts: 622
Loc: A shady grove Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18805079 - 09/05/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yeah, the gill shot.

:beavis1:

The money shot


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefry day
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/19/13
Posts: 1,010
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 6 days
Re: What is this? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18805128 - 09/05/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I thought birch polypore had medicinal qualities, make tea out of it?


--------------------
"Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats."

"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleparacelsus
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/13
Posts: 622
Loc: A shady grove Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: fry day]
    #18805168 - 09/05/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

fry day said:
I thought birch polypore had medicinal qualities, make tea out of it?





Here is a cool link i found using the shroomery search bar.

http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/2011/manske_bria/facts.htm


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemaynardjameskeenan
The white stipes
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 16,391
Loc: 'Merica
Trusted Identifier
Re: What is this? [Re: fry day]
    #18805178 - 09/05/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



"The Tyrolean Ice Man, who was frozen and mummified in the Copper Age, 5000 years ago, had among his possessions a curious pair of hide strips that held pieces of Piptoporus betulinus. Archaeologists speculate that the Ice Man used the birch polypore for medicinal purposes"

http://www.mushroomexpert.com/piptoporus_betulinus.html


--------------------
May you be filled with loving kindness.
May you be well.
May you be peaceful and at ease.
May you be happy.



AMU Q&A


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleparacelsus
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/13
Posts: 622
Loc: A shady grove Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18805237 - 09/05/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The medicinal use for the Iceman was to rid the body of nematodes with diarrhea.



Found this in an old thread =

According to paul stamets book "mycomedicinals" Piptoporus betulinus has loads of medicine. Tumor inhibiting in vitro. synthesized from it Piptamine - an antibiotic - is toxic to melanoma with no adverse effects to the host.

also used to stop bleeding, prevent bacterial infection, and is antimicrobial against intestinal parasites. not to mention all the survival stuff, knife sharpening, good fire starting tinder, as well as good to carry a smoldering coal over long distances.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemaynardjameskeenan
The white stipes
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 16,391
Loc: 'Merica
Trusted Identifier
Re: What is this? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18805277 - 09/05/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

-"Medicinal properties

Piptoporus betulinus has anti-inflammatory compounds and antibacterial properties.

Compounds found in the fruit body of the fungus, particularly polyporenic acid, are poisonous to the parasitic whipworm Trichuris trichura."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piptoporus_betulinus


--------------------
May you be filled with loving kindness.
May you be well.
May you be peaceful and at ease.
May you be happy.



AMU Q&A


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18805302 - 09/05/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleparacelsus
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/25/13
Posts: 622
Loc: A shady grove Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18805309 - 09/05/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In 1998 scientists found evidence of a parasite infection in the digestive tract of Otzi's remains. The parasites may have caused stomach pain and anemia (iron deficiency in the blood). A more recent analysis (2012) of DNA from the remains revealed that Otzi was also infected with the bacteria that causes Lyme disease. Some scholars think that the Lyme infection may have caused him back and leg pain, and that the tattoos he wore over those areas may have been therapeutic.

Fungus of the type found with Otzi's remains
Also found with the preserved remains were two fungi (mushrooms) threaded with a leather cord, rather like a keychain.  Upon closer inspection, scientists discovered that the fungi were Piptoporus betulinus which causes severe diarrhea if eaten, and may have helped treat the parasitic infection. These mushrooms also have antibiotic, antiviral, and antitumor properties, making them potentially very useful to a man who lived 53 centuries before modern medicine.


What are we to make of these findings? It seems that even in 3,300 BCE people understood that their ailments were caused by something that could be treated. Not only that, but modern science tells us that those treatments may have actually been quite effective. Though medicine has progressed a lot in the last five thousand years, it's humbling to think that our ancestors were off to a good start.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemaynardjameskeenan
The white stipes
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 16,391
Loc: 'Merica
Trusted Identifier
Re: What is this? [Re: paracelsus]
    #18805339 - 09/05/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

paracelsus said:
The medicinal use for the Iceman was to rid the body of nematodes with diarrhea.



Found this in an old thread =

According to paul stamets book "mycomedicinals" Piptoporus betulinus has loads of medicine. Tumor inhibiting in vitro. synthesized from it Piptamine - an antibiotic - is toxic to melanoma with no adverse effects to the host.

also used to stop bleeding, prevent bacterial infection, and is antimicrobial against intestinal parasites. not to mention all the survival stuff, knife sharpening, good fire starting tinder, as well as good to carry a smoldering coal over long distances.




This is fucking incredible to me, we really seemed to have gotten lost an a species.
5,000 years ago= incredible natural medine.
500 years ago= bloodletting and drilling holes in peoples heads.


--------------------
May you be filled with loving kindness.
May you be well.
May you be peaceful and at ease.
May you be happy.



AMU Q&A


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18805362 - 09/05/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

maynardjameskeenan said:
Quote:

paracelsus said:
The medicinal use for the Iceman was to rid the body of nematodes with diarrhea.



Found this in an old thread =

According to paul stamets book "mycomedicinals" Piptoporus betulinus has loads of medicine. Tumor inhibiting in vitro. synthesized from it Piptamine - an antibiotic - is toxic to melanoma with no adverse effects to the host.

also used to stop bleeding, prevent bacterial infection, and is antimicrobial against intestinal parasites. not to mention all the survival stuff, knife sharpening, good fire starting tinder, as well as good to carry a smoldering coal over long distances.




This is fucking incredible to me, we really seemed to have gotten lost an a species.
5,000 years ago= incredible natural medine.
500 years ago= bloodletting and drilling holes in peoples heads.




I don't agree. Now is the most amazing time to be alive. Longest life expectancy ever.

Also, dude got tattoos on areas that pained him to fix it. Pretty sure
he and others of his time did kooky things to fix ailments. I'll try to find
some examples.

I just don't buy into that ancient wisdom thing. People are people. Some things worked,
and a lot of things were speculation and superstition until the utilization of the
scientific method.


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefry day
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/19/13
Posts: 1,010
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 6 days
Re: What is this? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18805469 - 09/05/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I hadn't seen the "official" site before, too bad it's a really crappy design and exceedingly stupidly difficult to navigate and you only get a few paragraphs on each page.

First pic I've seen of his funguses.  :awesome:

You'd think the guy they got to body model might have had at least a bit of a tan, but no.

I had no idea 'bout that diarrhea thing...  So, tea in a small dose and don't plan on going anywhere for awhile?


--------------------
"Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats."

"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinechugginchaga
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 18
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
Re: What is this? [Re: fry day]
    #18808810 - 09/06/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just got in with the mushrooms... Took some more pics plus the bark from the log they were on. Looks like dark, thick birch bark to me but want to make sure before I dry it out and throw some in my Chaga/Red Belted Polypore concoction...
Thanks :-)

By the way, the specks on the underside is just dirt... I just got them a few minutes ago and haven't cleaned them off yet.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefry day
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/19/13
Posts: 1,010
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 6 days
Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18811888 - 09/07/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Ganzig said:
Also, dude got tattoos on areas that pained him to fix it. Pretty sure he and others of his time did kooky things to fix ailments. I'll try to find some examples.




That "official" site noted that the tattoos were on acupuncture meridians.  Co-inky-dink?

Now that I see the "foot" on that I'm wondering if it has a chance of being an oddball reishi?  I see we haven't had a TI chime in yet...  I'll go look it up, but haven't yet - does reishi grow on birch?


--------------------
"Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats."

"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: fry day]
    #18811948 - 09/07/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

fry day said:
Quote:

Ganzig said:
Also, dude got tattoos on areas that pained him to fix it. Pretty sure he and others of his time did kooky things to fix ailments. I'll try to find some examples.




That "official" site noted that the tattoos were on acupuncture meridians.  Co-inky-dink?






Acupuncture has been proven to work clinically but one funny thing about it
is that it does not seem to matter where you put the needles.

But despite all of that I am just saying that I guarantee that people in
that time did wacky kooky things in the name of medicine.

I just don't like the new aged glorification and romantic biases of ancient
types of medicine compared to now. There are many valid arguments to be made and lessons to be learned from older times. I just do not
accept blanket concepts of "if it's old it must be better."

And this is why. Cancer causing herbal remedies

As humans we need to be careful about letting our feelings get in the way
of how we see the world.

We don't need to be all sparkly eyed about old things. Just as humans
use fictions to make the unknown understood ie mythology, people in a sort of same
fashion unfairly look at things that are old as being more true than
things of the same type from modern times.

A human condition.


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18811960 - 09/07/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And the article actually says that the tattoos were put in places that
the man had ailments in.

But still that is not my point.


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefry day
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/19/13
Posts: 1,010
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 6 days
Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18812048 - 09/07/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Acupuncture has been proven to work clinically but one funny thing about it is that it does not seem to matter where you put the needles.




Interesting, would you happen to have a cite on that, love to see the original material.

Quote:

But despite all of that I am just saying that I guarantee that people in that time did wacky kooky things in the name of medicine.




And we don't today?  LOL

:tinfoil:  Medicine has always been performed by a priestly class, so suspect.  And in modern times, the pharma/allopathic cartel just won't even go there if they can't make a crapload of money on a medicine or treatment, so the game is quite skewed.  Not to mention that the financial incentive is not to cure you, but to make you sicker.  Quite frightening when you contemplate it.

EDIT: And the "natural" market is ethically no cleaner.

But we needn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.  I think it makes prudent sense to use some of the bounty around you to attempt to get good stuff into your body.  As a practical matter, chaga tea is probably going to be a lot better for you than coca cola on a daily basis, but maybe just water would be the same result.  Fresh mushrooms foraged vs whatever you get at safeway...  Trying to help your body over the minor challenges instead of running to pharma for answers.  And traditional medicine is where we have to turn for clues for the diy.

I'm surrounded by folks who chow down on hfcs, aspartame and gmo crap all day and are suffering.  Will they just TRY to avoid a few of those things for a few weeks and see the results?  No, they will not.  They want the doc to give them a pill to make it all better.  Doc gives them another pill and they feel worse.  Rinse and freakin' repeat.  It's painful to watch.

Now, that is faith based medicine at least as severe as any primordial witchdoctor.  ;-)

But I'm not taking one side of this argument or the other, there are more questions than answers.


--------------------
"Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats."

"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


Edited by fry day (09/07/13 03:59 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18812069 - 09/07/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

fry day said:


And we don't today?  LOL





This is not what I am arguing.


Quote:

maynardjameskeenan said:

5,000 years ago= incredible natural medine.
500 years ago= bloodletting and drilling holes in peoples heads.




This is.


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig] * 1
    #18812088 - 09/07/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here is a link to a blog talking about the German paper about acupuncture.

I cannot find the original study paper.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2007/09/acupuncture-may-be-more-effective-for-back-pain-treatment-than-conventional-medicine/


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefry day
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/19/13
Posts: 1,010
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 6 days
Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18812335 - 09/07/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeh, kinda "magical thinking".  I get it.  You are not arguing that there is NO value in "traditional medicine".

There's a lot of magical thinking in "new age" doctrine.


--------------------
"Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats."

"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleGanzig
It's for the street cred
Male User Gallery

Registered: 11/29/06
Posts: 8,206
Loc: Oregon Flag
Re: What is this? [Re: fry day]
    #18813066 - 09/07/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly. If it works then heck yeah. But don't think it
it is good just because it is old.


--------------------
I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this. I must keep reminding myself of this.
I must keep reminding myself of this.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Shop: PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* E.Coli & cow manure purity 4,966 10 11/21/03 12:07 PM
by motaman
* A few notes on spraying spores to start patches
( 1 2 3 4 ... 45 46 )
CubeBensies 74,297 906 07/11/21 05:57 AM
by mycostalker
* ID PLEASE amazing find Juke Adro 4,344 15 05/12/08 06:49 AM
by Juke Adro
* It Appears That I Have Caught Lyme Disease
( 1 2 3 all )
tangoking 3,320 41 06/15/11 07:55 AM
by Roy
* Limes disease. Bulls eye on my back.
( 1 2 3 all )
snoot 3,396 42 07/01/13 06:34 PM
by theWOZZ87
* new pics and serious question
( 1 2 all )
deathcapcubensis 3,509 27 11/11/05 03:33 PM
by oregonshroomer
* Pubber eats galerina
( 1 2 all )
Mitchnast 4,606 38 01/17/07 08:25 PM
by Hashishi
* intelligence in mushrooms diging into the unknow
( 1 2 all )
cactu 11,608 36 01/12/09 10:52 PM
by Mr. Mushrooms

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: ToxicMan, inski, Alan Rockefeller, Duggstar, TimmiT, Anglerfish, Tmethyl, Lucis, Doc9151, Land Trout
2,567 topic views. 1 members, 16 guests and 8 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.045 seconds spending 0.01 seconds on 14 queries.