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Re: What is this? [Re: fry day]
    #18808810 - 09/06/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just got in with the mushrooms... Took some more pics plus the bark from the log they were on. Looks like dark, thick birch bark to me but want to make sure before I dry it out and throw some in my Chaga/Red Belted Polypore concoction...
Thanks :-)

By the way, the specks on the underside is just dirt... I just got them a few minutes ago and haven't cleaned them off yet.



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Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18811888 - 09/07/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Ganzig said:
Also, dude got tattoos on areas that pained him to fix it. Pretty sure he and others of his time did kooky things to fix ailments. I'll try to find some examples.




That "official" site noted that the tattoos were on acupuncture meridians.  Co-inky-dink?

Now that I see the "foot" on that I'm wondering if it has a chance of being an oddball reishi?  I see we haven't had a TI chime in yet...  I'll go look it up, but haven't yet - does reishi grow on birch?


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"Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats."

"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


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Re: What is this? [Re: fry day]
    #18811948 - 09/07/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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fry day said:
Quote:

Ganzig said:
Also, dude got tattoos on areas that pained him to fix it. Pretty sure he and others of his time did kooky things to fix ailments. I'll try to find some examples.




That "official" site noted that the tattoos were on acupuncture meridians.  Co-inky-dink?






Acupuncture has been proven to work clinically but one funny thing about it
is that it does not seem to matter where you put the needles.

But despite all of that I am just saying that I guarantee that people in
that time did wacky kooky things in the name of medicine.

I just don't like the new aged glorification and romantic biases of ancient
types of medicine compared to now. There are many valid arguments to be made and lessons to be learned from older times. I just do not
accept blanket concepts of "if it's old it must be better."

And this is why. Cancer causing herbal remedies

As humans we need to be careful about letting our feelings get in the way
of how we see the world.

We don't need to be all sparkly eyed about old things. Just as humans
use fictions to make the unknown understood ie mythology, people in a sort of same
fashion unfairly look at things that are old as being more true than
things of the same type from modern times.

A human condition.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18811960 - 09/07/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And the article actually says that the tattoos were put in places that
the man had ailments in.

But still that is not my point.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18812048 - 09/07/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Acupuncture has been proven to work clinically but one funny thing about it is that it does not seem to matter where you put the needles.




Interesting, would you happen to have a cite on that, love to see the original material.

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But despite all of that I am just saying that I guarantee that people in that time did wacky kooky things in the name of medicine.




And we don't today?  LOL

:tinfoil:  Medicine has always been performed by a priestly class, so suspect.  And in modern times, the pharma/allopathic cartel just won't even go there if they can't make a crapload of money on a medicine or treatment, so the game is quite skewed.  Not to mention that the financial incentive is not to cure you, but to make you sicker.  Quite frightening when you contemplate it.

EDIT: And the "natural" market is ethically no cleaner.

But we needn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.  I think it makes prudent sense to use some of the bounty around you to attempt to get good stuff into your body.  As a practical matter, chaga tea is probably going to be a lot better for you than coca cola on a daily basis, but maybe just water would be the same result.  Fresh mushrooms foraged vs whatever you get at safeway...  Trying to help your body over the minor challenges instead of running to pharma for answers.  And traditional medicine is where we have to turn for clues for the diy.

I'm surrounded by folks who chow down on hfcs, aspartame and gmo crap all day and are suffering.  Will they just TRY to avoid a few of those things for a few weeks and see the results?  No, they will not.  They want the doc to give them a pill to make it all better.  Doc gives them another pill and they feel worse.  Rinse and freakin' repeat.  It's painful to watch.

Now, that is faith based medicine at least as severe as any primordial witchdoctor.  ;-)

But I'm not taking one side of this argument or the other, there are more questions than answers.


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"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


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Re: What is this? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #18812069 - 09/07/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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fry day said:


And we don't today?  LOL





This is not what I am arguing.


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maynardjameskeenan said:

5,000 years ago= incredible natural medine.
500 years ago= bloodletting and drilling holes in peoples heads.




This is.


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Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig] * 1
    #18812088 - 09/07/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here is a link to a blog talking about the German paper about acupuncture.

I cannot find the original study paper.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2007/09/acupuncture-may-be-more-effective-for-back-pain-treatment-than-conventional-medicine/


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Re: What is this? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18812335 - 09/07/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeh, kinda "magical thinking".  I get it.  You are not arguing that there is NO value in "traditional medicine".

There's a lot of magical thinking in "new age" doctrine.


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Re: What is this? [Re: fry day]
    #18813066 - 09/07/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly. If it works then heck yeah. But don't think it
it is good just because it is old.


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