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    #18804577 - 09/05/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I am getting long stems and small caps with my oysters (pearl, and pink).

I have a 16' x 8' fruiting chamber, in my basement.  the walls are covered with 6 mil plastic.  I have two ultrasonic humidifiers, one digital kenmore, and one homemade fogger 5 gal bucket type.  I have the house ac funneled into the room.  It's hot outside here, so it runs pretty much all day.  With the air flow, my rh is around 75% to 80%.  I can't seem to get it any higher. If i turn off the air it will get up to 85%.  I have 2 dual bulb 6k fluorescents hanging from the ceiling, and a cheap grow light by one shelf.  it's not really bright in the room though.  that's a description of my room.

On my first attempt to grow oysters, it was in small baskets.  I got long stems, with small caps.  People told me it was low air flow.  That's when i ran the house ac into the room.  I was also told it might be the small substraits i was usually.
I started a new grow with larger bags(12"x12"x18")with straw.  Pink and pearl.

The pinks are short stems (some longer than pics i see on here)but funnel upward toward the lights, and my pearls are the same as before but bigger caps(not much).

I don't really have a way to get more air in the room.  I'm having a hard enough time keeping the rh up.  Outside is also ruled out, because of the heat.  Everything i have moved outside dies.

Would more light help?  I don't know what else to try.

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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18804811 - 09/05/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hi, oysters need massive airflow.


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: BlackPeace]
    #18805217 - 09/05/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe it has more to do with needing an exhaust to take out old stale air?


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18805386 - 09/05/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe it has more to do with needing an exhaust to take out old stale air?




now, there's a thought i haven't considered. I have noticed i get more condensation at one end of the room more than the other. thanks


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18806155 - 09/06/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You could try to have more fan inside so there is more (already wet) air that hits the mushrooms since you can't move more air in.

More air out won't hurt too. You can lower your RH if you manually mist/spray your mushrooms more often to compensate.

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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: BlackPeace]
    #18806509 - 09/06/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The air level in the room might be fine, but you could just have too much CO2 buildup in the GH itself, especially if you have more than a couple bags in there.  Have you tried leaving the front unzipped?  Just orient your bags so the fruits are close to the unzipped door, that's what I've always done and it works great.

Don't worry about RH numbers at this point, if you can mist them once or twice a day they'll be alright.


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: Forrester]
    #18806631 - 09/06/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I put a fan on the floor blowing across all the shelves this morning. I could already hear air coming in around the seams of the plastic. I'm thinking this might help. This weekend I will work on getting the air going out of the room.


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18806650 - 09/06/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The white oysters will become much darker and thicker when the temp drops


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18806669 - 09/06/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

For your humidity I have 2 single head pond mist makers in an aquarium taking care of a 10x7 greenhouse and seems to be doing alright.  I might add a 3rd today to see what it does.  They were only 8 or 9 bucks each and delivered to my door in the states in a day or two.


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18807096 - 09/06/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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For your humidity I have 2 single head pond mist makers in an aquarium taking care of a 10x7 greenhouse and seems to be doing alright.  I might add a 3rd today to see what it does.  They were only 8 or 9 bucks each and delivered to my door in the states in a day or two.




That's what I have in my 5 gallon bucket fogger.  I have two more on the way.  Honestly I don't see how it's not higher than 85%.  When the fans are off, the whole room is wet and It's so foggy you can barely see. But the hydrometer never gets over 85% at 68 degrees.


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18808591 - 09/06/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That's what I have in my 5 gallon bucket fogger.  I have two more on the way.  Honestly I don't see how it's not higher than 85%.  When the fans are off, the whole room is wet and It's so foggy you can barely see. But the hydrometer never gets over 85% at 68 degrees.




Cheap hygrometers are notoriously inaccurate.  Particularly at high humidity levels.


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: laughingsol]
    #18808730 - 09/06/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That's what I have in my 5 gallon bucket fogger.  I have two more on the way.  Honestly I don't see how it's not higher than 85%.  When the fans are off, the whole room is wet and It's so foggy you can barely see. But the hydrometer never gets over 85% at 68 degrees.




Cheap hygrometers are notoriously inaccurate.  Particularly at high humidity levels.




that makes sense too.  the digital one built into my humidifier always reads a little higher, i just assumed it was because it under the all the mist coming out.  :shrug:


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18808940 - 09/06/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a pic of half the room.



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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18809065 - 09/06/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Billy, I dig your setup but it looks like those bags aren't 100% consolidated or colonized.  Maybe that has something to do with it?  I remember my early grows I ripped the plastic off and got those leggy shrooms.  If you just poke a few holes with a broadhead (arrow blades) you should get nice bouquets, you may need more substrate tho.  Finally, it could be high CO2, if you can put out high humidity and run an exhaust fan it's ideal.  Also also, PM me I have a bunch of single head foggers, god willing I will be at the farmer's market next weekend if this flush works out ok.


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: drake89]
    #18809128 - 09/06/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Billy, I dig your setup but it looks like those bags aren't 100% consolidated or colonized.  Maybe that has something to do with it?  I remember my early grows I ripped the plastic off and got those leggy shrooms.  If you just poke a few holes with a broadhead (arrow blades) you should get nice bouquets, you may need more substrate tho.  Finally, it could be high CO2, if you can put out high humidity and run an exhaust fan it's ideal.  Also also, PM me I have a bunch of single head foggers, god willing I will be at the farmer's market next weekend if this flush works out ok.




I have just holes on the other bags.  I saw a lot of pins under the plastic, so i was kinda doing a comparison from open bags to the closed ones.  I like to play around with stuff to see what different results i get.  You are right about the pinks though, it did not look anywhere 100% before they started pinning.  The pearls look fully colonized to me(i'm no expert though). i even have one bag of pearl, where the myc creeped out of the bag and started growing on the shelf.  lol

now with my enoki. i opened the bags too soon, and all 5 blocks got mold.  i kicked myself!


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18809623 - 09/06/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

probably too warm for the enoki


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: drake89]
    #18814343 - 09/08/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

well they grew a little over night.  the largest ive grown so far, still a little leggy though.



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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18817580 - 09/09/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nice Like I keep sayin man, they'll look quite diferent in winter


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18818048 - 09/09/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

With your bucket fogger, is the fan merely sucking hte mist up out of it or is there another opening somewhere?


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18818228 - 09/09/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The fan blows down into the bucket, I have a directional funnel outlet.  The funnel piece is actually from a not working humidifier.  It makes a more concentrated flow.  I'll post a close up pic of it later after work.


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18820323 - 09/09/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here's my bucket fogger.



I made a buoy for the fogger out of a wire basket, with two empty pill bottles as floats.  it keeps the fogger at the right depth. It will hold about 4 gals.  it uses 1 gal every 24 hours.  i run it constantly.
I had originally had the fan mounted to the bucket lid, but after losing two fans to water damage, i mounted it to an empty nail bucket.  same air flow, but it keeps the fan away from the splash of the fogger.
I have the fogger wire to a 24v power supply, and the fan is wired to a 6v.  The fan is actually a 12v computer fan, but 12v power made it blow a little too strong.  running it at 6v mathes the air speed of my other humidifier.

it took about 30 minutes to construct, very easy.

here's another large(for my grows) flush i got this morning.


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18820999 - 09/09/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for sharing dude!  You have no idea how many things you just cleared up and prevented me from making mistakes.  I have what appears to be the same fan but out of an air hockey table and have been trying to figure how I will make my misters float.  I'm going to useempty water bottles but am going to try and find a basket.


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    #18822974 - 09/10/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No problem man!  My next will be done a lot better.  This one was "see if this will work" build.


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: eddieblake]
    #18825681 - 09/10/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Those look nice, looks like you're getting the air supply dialed in.  I see they're on the front edge of the shelf, are you using the "unzipped door" method or do you just have a lot of air piped in there now?


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Re: long stem, small caps [Re: Forrester]
    #18826521 - 09/11/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

thanks!
I have the house ac piped in there now.  I have also been running my flow hood a lot lately(in the room next to the fc), and it sucks a lot of air out of that room. i've got more pearls than i can eat now.  :dancer:


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