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InvisibleDesert Delerium
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Gelcap tar dosage
    #18803057 - 09/05/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I am trying to figure out from the tar I have made how many gelcaps to take.
I began with about 18inches of 2inch diameter san Pedro. Cut out the core spines and skin. Mostly green tissue left over.
I froze that. Then I thawed and tossed it in a crock pot with just enough distilled water to cover it and a splash of lemon juice.  Left it alone for 18hrs. Then 2 more times for 12hrs and the last pull was 8 hrs. Strained between each pull. Had half a gallon of brown liquid. Boiled that down to less than an inch( still watery) and poured into a Pyrex baking dish. Very shallow in the dish. The tar formed and last night I scraped it up with a paint scraper dusted in flour to prevent sticking and weighed with a kitchen scale. The tar along with a bit of flour to prevent scale stickage weighed about 1.5 ounces. If google is right, that's about 45 grams of tar.
I then rolled it in a long thin snake with my flour dusted dish and shoved and twisted the dark brown tar into 27 '00' sized gelcaps
(some were overstuffed). I now must know how many to take to give me a moderate dose. I hope to have at least 2 trips of tar but will be happy with just one. I am a 125 pound male 21 years old. Skinny as fuck my girlfriend says.

Another question is about nausea. Will Dramamine effect my trip badly in combination with the alkaloids? Or is natural stuff like lemon, ginger and mint better? It should be noted that I won't be smoking weed.

I will be completely vegan 3 days before and fast for at least 12 hrs before taking the pills with sweet iced tea( tea makes me feel good). I may have a light salad or something mid trip as well if my nausea and desire permit.

It should also be noted that the desire to use this drug is alone. I have only ever had alcohol and tobacco. Never any other drug. Not even weed.
Thanks.


Edited by Desert Delerium (09/05/13 12:06 PM)


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #18803213 - 09/05/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Did you let the tar completely dry out? 18in of San Pedro sounds like one good solid dose, but an once and a half of tar sounds like a bit much. For example, an ounce and a half of decently potent dried San Pedro flesh is a good dose, so it would equate to around a foot of cactus, give or take. It just seems pointless to me to do an extraction and end up with over an ounce of stuff when the active constituents weigh less than a gram.


Edit: I would eat it all if it came from a cactus of unknown potency and I had a day or 2 free. Better to have a too-intense trip than two underwhelming ones, imo.


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: Maito]
    #18803294 - 09/05/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It had the consistency of hard taffy. I might have been able to get more water out of it. But it was air evap for a few days and I put it under a heat lamp for 9 hrs too. Pain in the ass to scrape.


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #18803350 - 09/05/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Then it's probably mostly dry. As for avoiding nausea, I don't know which medicines to take, I usually just let the nausea come. You can lessen the nausea some by not taking your whole dose at once, take a few caps every 10-15 minutes until you've taken all you want. Don't be afraid to over do it, the cactus spirits are very forgiving.


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: Maito]
    #18804002 - 09/05/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks. But by dosing in increments can't you feel nausea before you get enough absorbed? Puking isn't going to kill me, but I don't want to waste it either.
Do you or anyone else have tips for avoiding a bad trip and remembering its just in my mind?
Also any good tips to reassure yourself (or have my sitter reassure me),
that I'm going to be alright? I'm keeping a positive mind and setting, but you can never be too safe.


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #18805254 - 09/05/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Take it all, it will likely only be a medium dose. If I were you I would not fast, I don't know how long the trip will be but then your tripping for 16 hours you get pretty hungry and if you fasted beforehand your stomach would feel like its eating itself and be uncomfortable. From personal experience DO NOT dose in increments, I tried that the first couple times with cactus... and didn't finish it all. Now I do it all at once with ginger by the way and a little weed. For the nausea try to literally not move a single millimeter when it gets strong. I drink it and after I drink it I just stand there for 5 minutes not moving at all. Even when I feel like I'm going to throw up I do not move at all since thats the most important time to not move, and I have not thrown up yet.


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #18805266 - 09/05/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've never dosed tar, but with the tea I like to drink it in increments so I don't have a stomach ache from all of it weighing on my stomach. I imagine you still might get the uncomfortably full feeling with all those gelcaps of tar.

Say it with me,"I've taken a psychedelic drug and am seeing things differently because of that. In a few hours the drug's effects will wear off and I'll be feeling like I used to. I will not die, now matter how close I feel to death."

Have fun! Hope you learn something.


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: Desert Delerium]
    #18805289 - 09/05/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Whoa alcohol straight to mesc no weed..? I like your style.
Respect.


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: Maito]
    #18805310 - 09/05/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Maito said:

Say it with me,"I've taken a psychedelic drug and am seeing things differently because of that. In a few hours the drug's effects will wear off and I'll be feeling like I used to. I will not die, now matter how close I feel to death."

Have fun! Hope you learn something.




The best advice anyone could of given you ^

say it again!

And once more for good measure ...


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #18805319 - 09/05/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Physically you will feel very sick. Just remember that you are expected to not feel good with cactus. However I believe it is the best psychedelic for a first trip, it was my first so that may be part of it. It really can be unlike any other psychedelic, the body high is just amazing for the first couple hours followed by the clearest mental state you could ever imagine.


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: SteelPanther]
    #18805617 - 09/05/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Have used Dramamine ... And ginger tea and... Mallox ... And...
Sort of either you will be ill or you won't.... Not sure much will stop nausea totally...
Sounds like a lot of gel caps... But 18 inches of unknown San Pedro should be a ok dose... Not large

I tend to get diarrhea more than puking... Could be me...
Don't smoke pot.. Can't tell ya how it helps or not..

Good luck and let us know how it goes...

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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: HarryL]
    #18806057 - 09/06/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wow. Guys. Thanks for all the suggestions.
I love Shroomery!!


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Re: Gelcap tar dosage [Re: HarryL]
    #18807309 - 09/06/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

HarryL said:
I tend to get diarrhea more than puking... Could be me...





Sounds like me with rum;)
If that's all, I think I can handle it.


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