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Icelander
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"All's fair in love and war."
#18802720 - 09/05/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like this saying. It equates things that are alike at least in some major ways. I'm talking about romantic love here mostly. I alway kind of laugh when I think about how I thought differently at one time. Well maybe it would be more accurate to say I told myself differently. When I think back not only on my partners actions but also on mine I can see we often were waring over emotional or material territory. This doesn't mean I never cared btw. It just means that I let things like my desire and wants get in the way of being fair and logical.
What do you think?
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Icelander] 1
#18802797 - 09/05/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm beginning to think that modern notions of "love" - in the sense of possession & monogamy - are totally unnatural. I have sortof been convinced of this as I've grown. I used to not question the societal norm of having a "soul mate" for life, but I'm seeing how rare this actually is in practice. I think it's so unique for someone to find a person whom they genuinely "get" and that the marriages I personally know that lasted for decades were more because of societal pressures (religion, divorce was "unheard of", children, etc). Not saying that two people can't commit to one another and make it work in the long run, but I do think it takes certain personality types, maturity levels, and dedication to overcome the less "glamorous" times.
Here's an interviewing the author of "Sex at Dawn," an evolutionary look at the beginnings of sexual encounters, and how it progressed from group to individual-centered, as the notion of "ownership" also has - the author argues. I think you'll like it since you seem to be of a tribal mind.
I guess in the end, you gotta know what you're striving for. Otherwise, you'll be a poor lover & a lost soldier.
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Icelander
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Nice.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Icelander]
#18803396 - 09/05/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Repertoire89]
#18803549 - 09/05/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah that's a huge part of the deal.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Icelander]
#18804659 - 09/05/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's a great saying. My grandma taught it to me as a kid when I was whining about something.
What I find interesting is that there might be nothing to life apart from love and war. Which implies that anything goes, if the saying is true.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: viktor] 1
#18804683 - 09/05/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's an interesting thought. More like Lust and War though. I quit believing in the notion of unconditional love some years ago. I use the word "like" in my head. I like things to varying degrees. A few things I like very much but I don't love anything. The word outside of the unconditional is meaningless to me and unconditional doesn't exist as far as I know.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Icelander]
#18805037 - 09/05/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What this saying has always said to me is that this idea of fairness really doesn't exist and is irrelevant in relation to the two most prominent/primordial underlying aspects of our existence, which to keep it simple are- sex and death.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Raven Gnosis] 1
#18806199 - 09/06/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zactly I'm always amazed at how easily people cheat on each other in love relationships and how they seem to expect it on some level. No matter what we pretend.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Icelander]
#18806447 - 09/06/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Penelope_Tree said: I'm beginning to think that modern notions of "love" - in the sense of possession & monogamy - are totally unnatural. I have sortof been convinced of this as I've grown. I used to not question the societal norm of having a "soul mate" for life, but I'm seeing how rare this actually is in practice. I think it's so unique for someone to find a person whom they genuinely "get" and that the marriages I personally know that lasted for decades were more because of societal pressures (religion, divorce was "unheard of", children, etc). Not saying that two people can't commit to one another and make it work in the long run, but I do think it takes certain personality types, maturity levels, and dedication to overcome the less "glamorous" times.
I very much agree with this, especially as I grow older, and from looking back at past relationships and at friends and family's relationships. I do believe that two people can commit to each other to make it work, but like you said, it takes dedication, maturity, and personality types that do not clash.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#18807682 - 09/06/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Raven Gnosis said: What this saying has always said to me is that this idea of fairness really doesn't exist and is irrelevant in relation to the two most prominent/primordial underlying aspects of our existence, which to keep it simple are- sex and death.
Right, more so that moral standards go out the window in life or death situations and those of intense infatuation, people tend to do what's in their own self interest.. The expression tends to be used theatrically this way when somebody fucks their own best friend over for a woman etc.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Icelander]
#18807828 - 09/06/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apparently chemical weapons aren't.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Dark_Star]
#18808320 - 09/06/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Apparently chemical weapons aren't.
They're fair if we use them, we have the man power to tell them how they can fight us and its fair because we have the power to make it so. That's the logic behind the politics at least.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Repertoire89]
#18808875 - 09/06/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spent uranium: good Sarin gas: bad
Drone strikes: good IED: bad
Dead people have no preference as to how they died.
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Look at all the chemicals we dropped in Viet Nam. Are we just a bit hypocritical?
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Icelander]
#18811545 - 09/07/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We sell tobacco to our citizens. Oh it doesnt kill you immediately? Must not be poison!!!! The hypocrisy is boundless
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: Icelander]
#18811833 - 09/07/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Look at all the chemicals we dropped in Viet Nam. Are we just a bit hypocritical?
Not to mention the fact that we're the only country that ever used nuclear weapons on people.
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Re: "All's fair in love and war." [Re: ashfiken]
#18812071 - 09/07/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We sell tobacco to our citizens.
Oddly worded.
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