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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18817359 - 09/08/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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how big are your holes uncle_rico?




the holes are 3/8".

I load the buckets and let them colonize outside in the same place they fruit.  open air ... pretty ghetto, yet effective.


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: uncle_rico]
    #18817647 - 09/09/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

awesome uncle rico, those pins look fantastic! what's your spawn rate on those buckets?

anyone think there might be a possibility to ferment the alkaline straw tea and thus bring the ph down?


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: deadmandave]
    #18818043 - 09/09/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Reusing it would definitely be the preferred method for me since I hope to be doing this semi regularly after I am able to hit some markets.  Is there anything in the typical household that would be good for regulating the ph when it does need to be dumped?  Also during winter months I intend to do this indoors.  Is it bad to dump this water down a drain?  I also have my buckets setting right outside my greenhouse with the holes open and similar size holes but I didnt have a straing 3/4" drill bit so I used a mix of my 1/4" bit and a wood burning tool to creat my holes till I can come up wth something a little more convenient.


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: deadmandave]
    #18818068 - 09/09/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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awesome uncle rico, those pins look fantastic! what's your spawn rate on those buckets?

anyone think there might be a possibility to ferment the alkaline straw tea and thus bring the ph down?



smells like poop, dont know about the pH, when you let it sit for a week or so.  i'm rigging my tanks up to the waste water pipe at the warehouse so i'm no longer discharging to surface water.


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: drake89]
    #18818249 - 09/09/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have a drain in the floor of my growroom which goes to our waste line, whatever it would be called, and am hoping I can just add a filter drain to that.  I had some lime water set for a number of days with no noticable smell.  I also soaked that straw run in soap though too so I wonder if the addition of soap to the water might help keep it clean of foul smelling bacteria?


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: deadmandave]
    #18818436 - 09/09/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"what's your spawn rate on those buckets?"  deadmandave

The buckets are 3 1/2 gallons. I used 3 qt jars (4/5 full) of rye spawn per bucket.

An interesting side note ...  after the lime water pasteurization, the bagasse turned a wild florescent orange color. ?


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: uncle_rico]
    #18819146 - 09/09/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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how big are your holes uncle_rico?




the holes are 3/8".

I load the buckets and let them colonize outside in the same place they fruit.  open air ... pretty ghetto, yet effective.





Interesting you say that, I've been colonizing my buckets in the greenhouse with open holes as well,
at least on this last one, as well as the first couple runs last summer, works great!

I don't really notice a difference in colonization times and when they are ready to fruit, they just go.
I just noticed pins on my new oyster buckets after only 8 days with nighttime temps down around 55-60f.

Two runs ago I put 13 five gallon buckets in there,
but inside of trash bags with slits in the sides.
They colonized great but I was a day late and had tons of misshapen pin clusters and long stems.
They sorted themselves out quickly but it was still a shitty experience.

I like the open colonization in fruiting conditions, if you can keep humidity high.
Don't want your nice aerial mycelium dying back in the holes.

PS- I dont use a liner inside of the buckets, So my buckets with the big  holes (3/4" to 1") are fairly exposed.

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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: FoxFire]
    #18821351 - 09/09/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Interesting you say that, I've been colonizing my buckets in the greenhouse with open holes as well,
at least on this last one, as well as the first couple runs last summer, works great!

I don't really notice a difference in colonization times and when they are ready to fruit, they just go.
I just noticed pins on my new oyster buckets after only 8 days with nighttime temps down around 55-60f.

Two runs ago I put 13 five gallon buckets in there,
but inside of trash bags with slits in the sides.
They colonized great but I was a day late and had tons of misshapen pin clusters and long stems.
They sorted themselves out quickly but it was still a shitty experience.

I like the open colonization in fruiting conditions, if you can keep humidity high.
Don't want your nice aerial mycelium dying back in the holes.

PS- I dont use a liner inside of the buckets, So my buckets with the big  holes (3/4" to 1") are fairly exposed.

-FF




This is excellent info! I've had the same experience incubating plastic straw logs outdoors around the same temp you mentioned.  It took just a bit longer but perfect colonisation and great fruits!

Not to hijack the thread but do you have any issues with fungus gnats FoxFire? I'm going to be setting up something almost identical greenhouse-wise very soon....any threads on your setup?


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: OmSource]
    #18822167 - 09/10/13 06:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: cubenpete]
    #18822895 - 09/10/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Buckets 1 and 2 .. first experiment with "no heat", lime water pasteurization.



before with hot water pasteurization, I was not getting full colonization of my bulk substrates.


The "box" I did with lime pasteurization is also fruiting.

Now that I can fully colonize substrates, it's time to build a humidity tent.  excited here.


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: uncle_rico]
    #18823334 - 09/10/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Buckets 1 and 2 .. first experiment with "no heat", lime water pasteurization.







:asianofapproval:

That's awesome man! 

I'm interested in why the hot water pasteurization wasn't working for you..
Do you think it was a procedural thing?  Genetics?
I'm really curious because I've never had a straw log/bucket not colonize..

I also just realized that those buckets are bagasse which I have never used before..
Did you spawn through or layer those buckets?

@OmSource:  The only pests I get in the greenhouse are a few slugs and the occasional curious rodent.
The gnats can't fly in due to positive pressure from the fan.

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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: FoxFire]
    #18823535 - 09/10/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nice buckets dude!  I also somehow misread your hole size as 3/4" instead of 3/8".  I've heard people prefer the smaller holes.  Hvae you ever done larger?


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18824476 - 09/10/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Very Nice, definitely going to try the lime soon.


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: FoxFire]
    #18825335 - 09/10/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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@OmSource:  The only pests I get in the greenhouse are a few slugs and the occasional curious rodent.
The gnats can't fly in due to positive pressure from the fan.

-FF




Awesome. Any threads on the greenhouse set-up? I checked over at FungiForum but the sites still down :crazy:


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: OmSource]
    #18826081 - 09/11/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know, it's killing me!  Has anyone PM'd Cyrogenicz?
He hasn't been on since 8/14, about the time FungiForum went down... :sad:

I don't really have a thread for my current greenhouse,
but I'll put something together here in a day or two for ya.
Ill let you know :thumbup:

PS- Check out my gallery, there are pics of most of my setup in there.
I'll still make a thread about my processes and the humidifier build and all that...

PPS- Also wanted to say that this is a great thread and I hope more people experiment with this method for other species and post here.
Using fewer resources is A+ work in my book!
:toast: Sláinte!

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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: FoxFire]
    #18826479 - 09/11/13 04:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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FoxFire said:
Quote:

uncle_rico said:
Buckets 1 and 2 .. first experiment with "no heat", lime water pasteurization.







:asianofapproval:

That's awesome man! 

I'm interested in why the hot water pasteurization wasn't working for you..
Do you think it was a procedural thing?  Genetics?
I'm really curious because I've never had a straw log/bucket not colonize..

I also just realized that those buckets are bagasse which I have never used before..
Did you spawn through or layer those buckets?

@OmSource:  The only pests I get in the greenhouse are a few slugs and the occasional curious rodent.
The gnats can't fly in due to positive pressure from the fan.

-FF




I had the issue of straw not colonizing completely

But haven't tried lime soaking yet, that was with hot waster pasteurization...:

It was too dry, now I soak 24 hours before pasteurization, had forgotten that.. (had used a short soak... that doesn't work... unless you soak in soap iirc to reduce surface tension for better absorption, they have to soak for long normally)

It only colonized partially, but still fruited

Could be due to bacteria too though... they often look like transparent mycellium/smell a bit different/bad

Also I always squeeze my straw / add weight on top so it colonizes easier, dunno how to apply that for buckets, since I use monotubs


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: lessismore]
    #18826763 - 09/11/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone tried wood ash yet?  I've been thinking about it every time I dump the grill out, been grillin n chillin a lot here lately.


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: drake89]
    #18826947 - 09/11/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No.  I wish I had drake.  I dumped out my fire pit right before I read the thread on wood ash :/  As for the charcoal is this the same thing?  Or are you using a certain type of charcoal?  I'm wondering if grease drippings into the ash as it was burned would have any foul effects as well.  As for the Lime process the one I did with lime and a mild pasteurization, meaning I didn't get it above 145 and only for 45 mins at most turned out great and 2 buckets are now fully colonized.  I also did 2 large straw bags as well with only lime, no heat, and mild temps(cold water out of the garden hose)  and this is starting to take off as well but a couple more days will be needed to fully see the results.  I will post pics as they become available though.


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18827862 - 09/11/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i'm starting to wonder if treating the straw is even necessary to begin with.  I know if you start with moldy straw you're going to get mold problems no matter what.  But since you've got to soak it anyway the lime certainly doesn't seem to be hurting.  I use it exclusively and I make 20 straw logs a week.  I'll post pics once I get my room full.  Too bashful to show it otherwise :blush:


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Re: Lime soaking straw [Re: FoxFire]
    #18829271 - 09/11/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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FoxFire said:
I know, it's killing me!  Has anyone PM'd Cyrogenicz?
He hasn't been on since 8/14, about the time FungiForum went down... :sad:

I don't really have a thread for my current greenhouse,
but I'll put something together here in a day or two for ya.
Ill let you know :thumbup:

PS- Check out my gallery, there are pics of most of my setup in there.
I'll still make a thread about my processes and the humidifier build and all that...

-FF




I know! A lost resource for sure. I'm setting up something almost identical to yours very soon so I'll definitely check the gallery and keep my eye out for more.  Cheers!


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