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    #18795326 - 09/03/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

"FREE Paca Poo Fertilizer

Paca Poo is one of the best soil ammendments or fertilizers you can mulch into your garden or use to fertilize existing plants. The nitrogen and potassium content of alpaca dung is comparatively high, an indication of good fertilizer value. Nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium are the major plant nutrients. (They are the familiar N-P-K on fertilizer bags, N-P-K= 1.5-0.2-1.1) Phosphorus is relatively low as in most livestock manure. The Calcium and Magnesium content is about average."

I saw this ads for free poo.  Has anyone tried this on mushroom growing before?  And what is the final results?  You think it is like hpoo?


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Re: Free Paca Poo [Re: MyTiny_Shroom]
    #18795529 - 09/03/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If mush can grow from hpoo, cow poo, goat poo, rabbit poo etc im leaning towards yes it will work if properly pasteurized.


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Re: Free Paca Poo [Re: PhosCap]
    #18795545 - 09/03/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's a grass eater, yeah, it'll work. :thumbup:


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Re: Free Paca Poo [Re: Pestile]
    #18798663 - 09/04/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

RR used to use llama manure. Alpacas have very similar diets and digestive systems, so you should be good. Just make sure it's leached and aged the way you would with horse or cow manure.


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Re: Free Paca Poo [Re: toxetel]
    #18801790 - 09/05/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How to leach them?
Maybe they are contaminated or something?


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Re: Free Paca Poo [Re: MyTiny_Shroom]
    #18801909 - 09/05/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I thought high nitrogen was bad... or am I wrong?


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Re: Free Paca Poo [Re: SupaThaRipper]
    #18802127 - 09/05/13 05:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'd imagine the leaching process is the same as for other manures. The easiest way is just to leave it outside on a tarp or something -- let the rain wash it and let the sun dry it. Basically, you need it not to smell bad. If it smells like pee or poop it's too fresh.

It is true that too much nitrogen is a problem. I have no personal experience with alpaca manure so I can't speak to it... I just remember reading that RogerRabbit used llama manure.


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Re: Free Paca Poo [Re: toxetel]
    #18802178 - 09/05/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So that is composting, right?


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Re: Free Paca Poo [Re: MyTiny_Shroom]
    #18802938 - 09/05/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No, composting is different.

Composted manure has been broken down by bacteria, fungi, and worms. To oversimplify, this is the circle of life:

  • The cow/horse/alpaca/what-have-you eats grass (and other plants) and turns it into manure.
  • Bacteria, fungi, and worms eat the manure and turn it into compost.
  • The compost fertilizes the soil so grass (and other plants) can grow.
  • The cow/horse/alpaca/what-have-you eats the grass.


So, people who grow plants want compost to fertilize their plants. And people who raise animals want grass so they can feed their animals. And... people who grow mushrooms want manure so they can nourish their fungi!

Does that make sense? To our mushrooms, compost is already-digested material.

That's not to say it won't work as a bulk substrate -- it'll certainly still be able to hold moisture -- but it won't provide as much useful nutrition.

Ideally you just want your manure to have all the ammonia and other bad and smelly stuff washed out. That's what the aging/leaching is for. The reason you want it dried is so that you can crush it into little pieces and then hydrate it precisely to field capacity.


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Re: Free Paca Poo [Re: toxetel]
    #18806066 - 09/06/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I got it.  I am very sure about the cycle.
But I'm not sure about leaching. 
I would say put the manure inside a bag and soaked them.
But for how long?  Maybe 7 hours or more inside a tub? 
Then drain it and spread it to dry under the sun.
Then gather the dry manure and pasteurize them to be use
as a substrate.  Either that or let nature does it outside.
But that might take longer time though.


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Re: Free Paca Poo [Re: MyTiny_Shroom]
    #18806374 - 09/06/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Natural leaching is what happens when it just sits outside and gets rained on and sun-dried. So if you don't want to leave it out and let nature do it for you, my first suggestion would be to simulate it by laying it out and spraying it down with a garden hose. You'd still want to let it dry out some though, so what doesn't get washed out can evaporate and so you can achieve field capacity.

I've never done this, though, so maybe someone with more experience can chime in. I'm a city boy, so I generally just use coir. On the few occasions that I've used manure, it was already-aged/leached horse manure.

I personally would avoid handling the manure too much before it's aged. I wouldn't put it in my bags or tubs. It'll stink and be gross.


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