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invitro


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18801763 - 09/05/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have experience with programming, it seems pretty simple to me.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801764 - 09/05/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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invitro said: I have experience with programming, it seems pretty simple to me.
You should go suggest it to the website feedback forum. That way they too can tell you it's a silly idea
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Kjetterfaen
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801767 - 09/05/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I suggest you should offer your services when you make your suggestion to the moderators then... That would mean it gets judged on its own merit, and not based on the staffs availability.
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invitro


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18801782 - 09/05/13 01:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by invitro (09/05/13 06:34 PM)
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Kjetterfaen
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801791 - 09/05/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Frank can neither implement nor hinder the implementation of your suggested system, so why argue with him?
This is where you should take it if you are serious.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801797 - 09/05/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey invitro, I filter people out all the time.
Everyone can do the same.
No need to subject new members to some pointless "test."
That is discriminatory and stupid.
This is my point.
If you don't want to help, don't.
I'm not "twisting their arm" into helping.
I'm explaining how this policy you sugesst, it would drive away new members.
So basically, the argument that "I am trying to force everyone to help" is complete garbage 
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Kjetterfaen said: Frank can neither implement nor hinder the implementation of your suggested system, so why argue with him?
This is where you should take it if you are serious.
He's not, he is just looking for affirmation of his silly idea
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invitro


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18801802 - 09/05/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Frank can neither implement nor hinder the implementation of your suggested system, so why argue with him?
Because I like to help people, I'm trying to help him understand that the shroomery is extremely disorganized, hard to research on, and just flooded with nub posts and myco porn that hinder progress of research. Plus there are just way too many pissy people who like to say "use the (hopelessly disorganized and clogged up) search engine" who are discouraging mostly and not helpful.
Edited by invitro (09/05/13 02:20 AM)
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LTSwoomz
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801806 - 09/05/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with noob questions. Lots of noobs ask questions and research while they wait on current feedback from the community they're in. I'm one of em, and two tears in a bucket if anyone doesn't like it. I came here to learn and if I'm not satisfied with what I can find via the search function, you're damn straight I'm gonna ask people for feedback. It's not always bad to have old info rehashed. There's lots of conflicting information and sometimes it's hard to form a course of action based on opinions and information presented in the past.
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Kjetterfaen
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801809 - 09/05/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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invitro said:
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Kjetterfaen said: Frank can neither implement nor hinder the implementation of your suggested system, so why argue with him?
because I like to help people, I'm trying to help him understand that the shroomery is extremely disorganized, hard to research on, and just flooded with nub posts and myco porn that hinder progress of research. Plus there are just way too many pissy people who like to say "use the (hopelessly disorganized and clogged up) search engine" who are discouraging mostly and not helpful.
Fixed it for you... =) You sure you know programming?
But yeah, I don't think Frank is opposed to any of the points you just mentioned, just the actual system you suggest. I can't speak for him though, but that is my impression. Again, if you seriously think your system would achieve the goals you want then suggest it directly to the mods and let them consider it.
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invitro


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18801810 - 09/05/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: Hey invitro, I filter people out all the time.
Everyone can do the same.
No need to subject new members to some pointless "test."
That is discriminatory and stupid.
This is my point.
If you don't want to help, don't.
I'm not "twisting their arm" into helping.
I'm explaining how this policy you sugesst, it would drive away new members.
So basically, the argument that "I am trying to force everyone to help" is complete garbage 
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Kjetterfaen said: Frank can neither implement nor hinder the implementation of your suggested system, so why argue with him?
This is where you should take it if you are serious.
He's not, he is just looking for affirmation of his silly idea 
You don't understand what I'm saying, I never said new members had to take a test, new members are automatically beginners. I think this was the whole basis of your disagreeing with me.
Edited by invitro (09/05/13 02:03 AM)
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invitro


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: LTSwoomz]
#18801814 - 09/05/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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LTSwoomz said: Nothing wrong with noob questions. Lots of noobs ask questions and research while they wait on current feedback from the community they're in. I'm one of em, and two tears in a bucket if anyone doesn't like it. I came here to learn and if I'm not satisfied with what I can find via the search function, you're damn straight I'm gonna ask people for feedback. It's not always bad to have old info rehashed. There's lots of conflicting information and sometimes it's hard to form a course of action based on opinions and information presented in the past.
Did you even read my idea? Based on your response you didn't.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801819 - 09/05/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You misunderstand me.
Discriminating against beginners in any way sucks.
Putting them into a "class system" of sorts is just silly...and discriminatory.
Not every new member is a "beginner" and not every new member should be written off because they are new.
As kjetter said, post this in the website feedback forum if you are serious.
I think it's absurd
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invitro


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18801824 - 09/05/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: You misunderstand me.
Discriminating against beginners in any way sucks.
Putting them into a "class system" of sorts is just silly...and discriminatory.
Not every new member is a "beginner" and not every new member should be written off because they are new.
As kjetter said, post this in the website feedback forum if you are serious.
I think it's absurd 
My point about streamlining the search function for research is perfectly valid and you refusing to see that point makes your argument seem lopsided and makes you look a bit silly.
Discrimination is another word for filtering, there are times when filtering helps, giving people freedom is what made the US great, and helping nubs is what makes this board great. You are being unbelievably silly!
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Kjetterfaen
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801828 - 09/05/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Let it rest or post it where it belongs please. Or at the very least make a new thread so that the title matches the content, and then maybe you can get the input of someone else then me and Frank.. Cause at this point it seems to be about getting him to agree with you, and that isn't going to happen, nor does it matter to anyone but you...
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Campari
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: LTSwoomz]
#18801835 - 09/05/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like the idea of a more consolidated FAQ. I had to do quite a bit of searching when I first started. Hunting down the correct methods for different techs. Cross-referencing to ensure my information was neither backwards or outdated. It was well worth the effort and saved me lots of pain that many inflict on themselves.
I think your efforts would help quite a few folks tbagtag or at least save them some time.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18801839 - 09/05/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kjetterfaen said: at this point it seems to be about getting him to agree with you, and that isn't going to happen, nor does it matter to anyone but you...

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LTSwoomz
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801888 - 09/05/13 02:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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invitro said:
Did you even read my idea? Based on your response you didn't.
I was weighing in on the whole thing in general, I suppose the timing of my post seemed to direct it towards you. I did read your post. My opinion is mostly in line with Franks. There's no justifiable basis to forcibly brand new members as new, it would just create enmity and provide a source of fire for trolling and flaming.
If I were to entertain the idea of a system of that nature... Perhaps offer members an opt-in Newbie status that would modify their web feature experience here. Auto-filtered search results to benefit brand new cultivators, pointers in the right direction based on their posts (sort of already implemented), searches automatically bring up entries from the Mushroom Info database, etc. I think the developers of the Shroomery would need some serious incentive to implement any sort of system similar that would be both robust and helpful without seeming clonky, regardless.
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LTSwoomz
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: LTSwoomz]
#18801901 - 09/05/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also Invitro I see something interesting in your idea of a test. A tool developed to help noobs figure out with confidence whether or not they understand the principles required to move forward with their intended project. Obviously the scope of such a test would have to be rudimentary less it get too convoluted with if's, and's, or but's. Simple things all growers need to understand, however, could probably make it on this list assuming the proprietor's of the site were willing to subscribe to a particular set of data and be comfortable putting it forth as the "right" answer.
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invitro


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: LTSwoomz]
#18801922 - 09/05/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well we already have a class system, "trusted cultivator". But it's only given out at random to people who get noticed and the mods admit that many who deserve one don't have one.
It helps to know who knows their stuff when considering their response. The idea I proposed just builds on that to make filtering and searching something that can make everyone's life easier. I'll try to make this my last post about the "class system" thing.
I think the idea of a test, if just for the sake of helping people learn the basics, would be a good one. Sometimes it helps when learning ideas to have tests or "flashcards" that make you try to remember the answer instead of just passively reading everything.
To quote Frank "You misunderstand me. Discriminating against beginners in any way sucks. Putting them into a "class system" of sorts is just silly...and discriminatory. "
So your saying you object to the TC tag you have? Maybe the mods can help you remove it.
Edited by invitro (09/05/13 03:11 AM)
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Sockadin



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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
#18802112 - 09/05/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think what Tbag wants to do is a great idea.
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