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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18802032 - 09/05/13 04:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18802033 - 09/05/13 04:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nope, that wasn't your claim unless you changed it. And if you did I will report you.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18802034 - 09/05/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You do that. :lol:


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18802037 - 09/05/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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teknix said:
Why don't you just post it here then, prove your point if you have one, or it's BS.

:braindamage:



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I was actually dumber at the time from moving into the university, it was a tiring and draining week, considering I had classes the same day I was moving in.

(I'm only telling you this because you brought it up to use against me.)

Better luck next time.

:braindamage:





You really just can't take being wrong can you. :lol:

And please quit with the multiple PMs. I already know you're upset.

OK that's 7 now in the last couple minutes. What do you hope to accomplish by this?  I've been flamed by so many like this after a debate that it's all:boring::lol:




yep you changed this one! See if you don't get ban after mod then admin hears about it!

I surely will!

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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18802041 - 09/05/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm terrified.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18802042 - 09/05/13 04:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Who said I had any particular intent for this "debate"?



Is it not always most wise to try keeping debates or arguments healthy?




Your version of wise and healthy you mean?  I'm here for entertainment and follow where things lead.




Wow, you really are that desperate, I never knew you would stoop so low.

(to try to win a debate)

I think your pretty much screwed because I said pretty close to exactly what happened... any final words?


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18802044 - 09/05/13 04:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm terrified.




I can tell.

And you still don't want to give me permission to post what you said previously to my pm's?

(I think he might be scared, especially considering I pointed out the exact thread he changed. AFTER THE FACT!)

+5 for teh good guys!

Enjoy your ban broskiiiiii.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18802046 - 09/05/13 04:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

terrified.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18802047 - 09/05/13 04:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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naΒ·ture
1.
the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.
"the breathtaking beauty of nature"

You lost the debate a long time ago, what are you still babbling about?




Yes, I'm well aware of the definition of the word nature. Unless you weren't aware, I've been using the very same definition myself in my arguments against the validity of your presented ideas. I stipulate "unless you weren't aware", because it's hard to measure what you're aware of concerning my critique of your ideas, considering the wide extent to which you've failed to engage those critiques in debate. I don't think I could count on only two hands all the points of contention within this debate that you abandoned.

Which brings me to my next point, in response to your assertion that I've lost the debate a long time ago. :smirk:
I don't know if you're a debate virgin or not, and this is your first ideological exchange, but, regardless of whether you are or not, the difference between claiming that someone lost a debate and demonstrating that they lost a debate is a considerable one and it shouldn't be lost on anyone, experienced in debate or not.



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If ownership is an idea or concept created by man, then it doesn't fall into the above definition.




"If" indeed. :lol: We've already covered that "if" in debate, and I established that ownership itself is a natural phenomenon, which was then symbolized by man with the concept of ownership. Again, since it doesn't show just how much of it you're aware of, this is one of the points of contention that you abandoned in the face of my criticism.

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I could probably explain it to you a hundred different ways and you would still consider yourself to be right, because that's what ego's do, and they hate failing as you are exemplifying.




What you're exhibiting with this statement is a commonly observed phenomenon within debate. When a poster hasn't yet found a way to demonstrate that the other poster is wrong, they imagine some scenario in which they do everything right, but the other person still will not listen, because they are inherently at fault as a poster. Imagination itself is a wonderful thing, but it won't win you a debate.

And, as much as I enjoyed your informed speculation as to my personal nature :lol:, I can undoubtedly assure you that, when someone else can actually do the hard work of sustaining their point of view, and they demonstrate its value and its validity in the face of my critique, and it's all objectively laid out on the table that is ideological exchange, I have precisely no qualms in acknowledging that my point of view was wrong. It's happened before, and I think it's reasonable to suspect that it'll happen again.

I don't abandon points of contention. If I can't respond successfully to one, I acknowledge it, even if that means I'm wrong, even if that means openly saying that I was wrong.
Unfortunately for ideological exchange itself, that almost never happens, not because I'm always right, although I usually am :smirk:, but because the other poster begins to drop out of the debate, abandoning the points of contention, abandoning even the single point of contention they still held to when they then can no longer defend it, never replying back. I've seen them shift from reality straight into their imaginations, pretending that things actually work out in such a way that they're still right, all without being able to actually advance a line of reasoning that serves to demonstrate that they're right.

Personally, I'd love to see someone both with a powerful enough insight and skills honed sharply enough to rise up and show me that I've missed something big in my conceptions of reality, so that I could then assimilate their way of thinking and be stronger as a result. Alas, it hasn't happened in a long time, and I'm not sure when it will.
It's lonely at the top if you want to rock and roll. :shrug:


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18802048 - 09/05/13 04:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I told mod to escalate it if he doesn't see the problem, so just wait for it, how long you facing this time bro?

2 months?


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18802049 - 09/05/13 04:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's really funny. :lol:  You telling the mods what to do.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18802057 - 09/05/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

a little.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #18802060 - 09/05/13 04:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Finally, something with substance!

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Quote:

teknix said:
naΒ·ture
1.
the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.
"the breathtaking beauty of nature"

You lost the debate a long time ago, what are you still babbling about?




Yes, I'm well aware of the definition of the word nature. Unless you weren't aware, I've been using the very same definition myself in my arguments against the validity of your presented ideas. I stipulate "unless you weren't aware", because it's hard to measure what you're aware of concerning my critique of your ideas, considering the wide extent to which you've failed to engage those critiques in debate. I don't think I could count on only two hands all the points of contention within this debate that you abandoned.






OK this has no real relevance, and entire paragraph of blah blah blah.

(I can't believe I wasted time reading)


Quote:


Which brings me to my next point,





Next point? there was a point in the above paragraph?

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in response to your assertion that I've lost the debate a long time ago. :smirk:





and that s another point? lmao!

Quote:


I don't know if you're a debate virgin or not, and this is your first ideological exchange, but, regardless of whether you are or not, the difference between claiming that someone lost a debate and demonstrating that they lost a debate is a considerable one and it shouldn't be lost on anyone, experienced in debate or not.





More blah blah blah, no real point against the premise.


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If ownership is an idea or concept created by man, then it doesn't fall into the above definition.




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"If" indeed. :lol: We've already covered that "if" in debate, and I established that ownership itself is a natural phenomenon, which was then symbolized by man with the concept of ownership. Again, since it doesn't show just how much of it you're aware of, this is one of the points of contention that you abandoned in the face of my criticism.





No, that wasn't really established, your analogy was contended as false and you gave it up or failed to defend it, I'm losing faith that you actually have anything, and I'm reading more mindless drivel.

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I could probably explain it to you a hundred different ways and you would still consider yourself to be right, because that's what ego's do, and they hate failing as you are exemplifying.




Quote:


What you're exhibiting with this statement is a commonly observed phenomenon within debate. When a poster hasn't yet found a way to demonstrate that the other poster is wrong, they imagine some scenario in which they do everything right, but the other person still will not listen, because they are inherently at fault as a poster. Imagination itself is a wonderful thing, but it won't win you a debate.





Again, no point against the premise. I'm beginning to lose all hope in you.

:sad:

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And, as much as I enjoyed your informed speculation as to my personal nature :lol:, I can undoubtedly assure you that, when someone else can actually do the hard work of sustaining their point of view, and they demonstrate its value and its validity in the face of my critique, and it's all objectively laid out on the table that is ideological exchange, I have precisely no qualms in acknowledging that my point of view was wrong. It's happened before, and I think it's reasonable to suspect that it'll happen again.





And still no point against the premise . . . god do I have to continue reading more?

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I don't abandon points of contention. If I can't respond successfully to one, I acknowledge it, even if that means I'm wrong, even if that means openly saying that I was wrong.
Unfortunately for ideological exchange itself, that almost never happens, not because I'm always right, although I usually am :smirk:, but because the other poster begins to drop out of the debate, abandoning the points of contention, abandoning even the single point of contention they still held to when they then can no longer defend it, never replying back. I've seen them shift from reality straight into their imaginations, pretending that things actually work out in such a way that they're still right, all without being able to actually advance a line of reasoning that serves to demonstrate that they're right.

Personally, I'd love to see someone both with a powerful enough insight and skills honed sharply enough to rise up and show me that I've missed something big in my conceptions of reality, so that I could then assimilate their way of thinking and be stronger as a result. Alas, it hasn't happened in a long time, and I'm not sure when it will.
It's lonely at the top if you want to rock and roll. :shrug:




And still no contention to the premise. Such a letdown, I know you can contend it if you try harder and focus primarily on the premise rather than your own idea's and thoughts about the direction of the debate . . .

Another waste of time .  .  .


Do you have an actual argument against the premise? Please say yes, I'm losing hope . . .

(but how real it hope anyways?)


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18802063 - 09/05/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's really funny. :lol:  You telling the mods what to do.




Well, if the mod doesn't then I will and recommend to an admin that the mod that didn't do his/her job be reprimanded, what good it will do?

:shrug:

You have already been banned for harassing me in the past, so I doubt it will be of much a surprise.

I be you would be surprised how convincing my arguments can be, even and especially to those highly educated.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18802067 - 09/05/13 04:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't remember ever being banned for harassing you.  In fact I don't remember when my last ban was.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18802071 - 09/05/13 04:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

nice argument, or is that an argument against the premise?

You harassing me bro?

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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18802072 - 09/05/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm responding to your previous post.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18802075 - 09/05/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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In fact I don't remember when my last ban was.



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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18802091 - 09/05/13 04:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that was like 36 pages worth before I got fed up.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
    #18802111 - 09/05/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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OK this has no real relevance, and entire paragraph of blah blah blah.




It's extremely relevant. On the one hand, you quoting a passage from the dictionary as if it stands alone in making your point is senseless when it's already clear that the exact definition was also referred to by me as sustaining a particular point that I made. Therefore, it's relevant as it isn't reasonable for you to portray the definition as though it were a clarifying matter.
On the other hand, the simple fact that you've henceforth failed to hold up your end of the debate on a wide number of points of contention is also relevant, as it denotes the fact that, contrary to your baseless allegation, I certainly have not lost the debate a long time ago, by any objective assessment of how a debate is performed.

So much for not having relevance. :smirk:

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Next point? there was a point in the above paragraph?




Yes, there was, sorry you missed it. I reiterated that point and sustained its relevance in the response above. You can read it again at this point if you need to.

Quote:

Quote:


in response to your assertion that I've lost the debate a long time ago. :smirk:





and that s another point? lmao!




No, that's a statement that qualifies what the point is in response to. The point followed that qualification. :wink: The English language rules. :thumbup:

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More blah blah blah, no real point against the premise.




It wasn't addressing the "premise"; it was addressing your faulty and unsubstantiated assertion that I had lost the debate. It's a point that reveals your assertion as unsubstantiated and dismisses it as meaningless in regards to the debate at hand. Perhaps, if your interest was in focusing on the "premise", you should not have deviated from it by engaging in meaningless, unsubstantiated assertions that the other poster had lost the debate long ago.

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No, that wasn't really established, your analogy was contended as false and you gave it up or failed to defend it, I'm losing faith that you actually have anything, and I'm reading more mindless drivel.




Yes, I established it, and, at a certain point, you failed to respond, abandoning the point of contention. Unless, of course, :smirk:, you'd be so kind as to quote the particular statement you, in fact, made, that I then failed to respond to. :lol:

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Again, no point against the premise. I'm beginning to lose all hope in you.




If your measuring stick is if a particular statement is either sustaining or contesting a premise, then you can kindly ask yourself why you deviated from the premise to engage in imaginative scenarios in which you valiantly try out hundreds of arguments, all in vain, as I do not admit that I'm wrong to each of them.
I request that you kindly ask yourself this because I think it's delusional to employ a double standard as it pertains to discussing your premise. :lol:



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And still no point against the premise . . . god do I have to continue reading more?




You chose to engage in speculation as to my personal nature, so I responded in kind with my own speculation as to my personal nature.
I'm not one to fall for miserable attempts of misdirection. :sorry:

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And still no contention to the premise. Such a letdown, I know you can contend it if you try harder and focus primarily on the premise rather than your own idea's and thoughts about the direction of the debate . . .




You're the only person who brought up the matter. :rofl2: As I debate in good faith, I respond to all points of contention.

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Do you have an actual argument against the premise? Please say yes, I'm losing hope . . .





Yes, I do. You'll find it where you left off. :smirk:


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