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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: sailing]
    #18797792 - 09/04/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You know what I've realized? Life can't be out Into words.

It's a feeling that everyone gets, everyone on earth is experiencing the same life.

But too many get lost in translation. They try to iterate the things that just have to be felt.

OP your vagueness on "the thing" just shows that you got that down.

Keep feeling it, keep spreading the feeling, the knowledge, wisdom.

Life's but a thang, a beautiful thang.


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: Legend] * 2
    #18797922 - 09/04/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

About planting ideas in other's head: the only right way to do this without being intrusive and doing brainwashing is to live by your idea and let others see for themselves.

A person living a life of peace will surely radiate that energy and people will feel it, and not a single word will have been uttered.


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: excalibur127]
    #18797941 - 09/04/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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A person living a life of peace will surely radiate that energy and people will feel it, and not a single word will have been uttered.



this


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: sailing]
    #18800438 - 09/04/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I get what you're saying.

What I'm saying is that the graph does NOT really represent processes as they occur in nature. In nature they DON'T repeat quite like that, exactly the same from iteration to iteration. You could extract perfect sine waves from what happens in nature, but the sine waves are only on your paper, in theory.

Out there, every single wave is unique. Slightly different. The limits are slightly higher or lower, the extremes are not parallel lines, but some sort of arcs and curves that shift slightly, orbit axis are not still but may have precession, and so on.

I've never gotten bored of say, the sound of wind and crickets in the evening. The level of complexity and variation in those sounds, made by so many insects, provides ample amounts of freshness, so it never really gets to feel stale.

That's what I wanted to point out, that human graphs you can zoom in, and you'll get a simple straight line, or zoom out, and you get a simple line or dot. In nature, zoom in and you get infinite fractals, zoom out and you get infinite fractals. It's repetition WITH variation, not without.

The variety is always there. It's only by spending too much time with teh same person, doing the same thing in the same way, that one can turn it into something boring and pointless.


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: Spacerific]
    #18800779 - 09/04/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Excuse me, please, but these graphs are pointless.  They have as little to do with the real sounds as a tuning fork does with real music.  But hey, keep on working it out if that's what y'all need to do. :thumbup:

BTW, I think what you're probably looking for is strange attractors in fractal sets/spaces.  These allow endless variation with self-similarity, which of course is pretty much what life looks like.  It's also quite useful to use in thinking about the kind of things that happen during trips, as bizarre as they can become.

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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: Skydyn]
    #18800836 - 09/04/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My first trip was heavy with this idea. I had been reading about taoism at the time and the trip really gave me a sense of the polarity of everything. suffering and joy are two poles of the same thing. You can't have black without white ect... I always relate things to the sine curve now. A heart beat, the ebb and flow of the ocean for example. I even noticed it at work watching customers come in and out of my workplace. More and more people come in and it gets busier and busier and then it slowly gets less and less busy. It is like the building is breathing in people and then breathing them out. I guess that is what shrooms will do to you. I still laugh thinking about it like that.


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18801050 - 09/04/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Finding a piece of something in everything.  Everything in itself.

That is the trip.

I love my experience as a human being: Perfection in imperfection.  I die daily and I am born daily. 

I am eternal perhaps, but eternality doesn't get the fascination of watching a blooming flower.  It has to be that flower.  So I make a game of it.  You be fascinated; I'll be the flower.  But you are really me so...




-From my "ask a tripping fool anything" thread.

You might also check out Simon G. Powell and his ideas on the self-organizing intelligence of nature; which struck a chord with me and I think you would like.


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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #18801402 - 09/04/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've been working on my own theories in conjunction with some extremely surprising trip experiences in July this year.  But it's not something I'm willing to discuss openly, at least not yet.  I still have some replication and documentation to do.  Bottom line is that reality is far more interesting than most people even imagine.  Humans still have so far to go. :thumbup:

So, Simon G. Powell, do you mean like this:

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The paradigms currently steering human culture, particularly in the West, bear no reference whatsoever to natural intelligence. This might explain why so many environmental and existential crises face us. Conventional science resolutely denies that any intelligence is involved in evolution, let alone other natural processes, and so it is principally human intelligence and all the inventions and ideas of human intelligence that are esteemed and that come to determine the progress of human culture. In this sense, we are going it alone, a species intent on divorcing itself from the natural intelligence that birthed us. It might well be that until we acknowledge the role of natural intelligence in the evolution of the tree of life, we shall remain estranged from the rest of Nature and continue to suffer the consequences. To acknowledge the presence of natural intelligence within Nature, to seek to learn from that intelligence, is to begin placing oneself in a right relationship to all else.




No difference with any of that, matter of fact I moved quite a ways beyond it over the last few years as a vast (and self-booting) intelligence resident (or at least immanent) in the natural world moved into ever closer contact.  A bit scary at times since there really is no extant physics in western science for what I've found, let alone math that does more than suggest it.  And needing to earn some semblance of an ordinary living while doing research far enough beyond the cutting edge that just to think about it can be dangerous, makes everything both fascinating and terrifying, by turns. :shrug:

On the whole though I'd not trade it for anything. :what2:

:peace:PS


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18801429 - 09/04/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So, Simon G. Powell, do you mean like this:

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The paradigms currently steering human culture, particularly in the West, bear no reference whatsoever to natural intelligence. This might explain why so many environmental and existential crises face us. Conventional science resolutely denies that any intelligence is involved in evolution, let alone other natural processes, and so it is principally human intelligence and all the inventions and ideas of human intelligence that are esteemed and that come to determine the progress of human culture. In this sense, we are going it alone, a species intent on divorcing itself from the natural intelligence that birthed us. It might well be that until we acknowledge the role of natural intelligence in the evolution of the tree of life, we shall remain estranged from the rest of Nature and continue to suffer the consequences. To acknowledge the presence of natural intelligence within Nature, to seek to learn from that intelligence, is to begin placing oneself in a right relationship to all else.







Holy smokes that's amazing stuff!:eek:

Fits right in with my shroom/aya messages. Great to see people actually look deeper into this :thumbup:


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: flickedbic]
    #18801642 - 09/04/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thought


Continuous Energy


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: sailing]
    #18801923 - 09/05/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

May I remind you all that a perfect sine wave is non-existant in nature, it is something only math can create and is only theoretical. Humans love seeking patterns don't they, but it's all a bunch of Chaos if you ask me.


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: excalibur127]
    #18801948 - 09/05/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

excalibur127 said:
May I remind you all that a perfect sine wave is non-existant in nature, it is something only math can create and is only theoretical. Humans love seeking patterns don't they, but it's all a bunch of Chaos if you ask me.



says the one with a fractal as his avatar?
im not saying its a perfect sine wave, but its a repetitious pattern of ups/downs, on's/off's, blacks/whites, yins/yangs, wich can be loosely represented by a sine wave


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: sailing]
    #18801983 - 09/05/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, I just like the trippiness of it :sunny:

Fair enough, I see what your saying. I would call it a sound wave in general, but if you guys see patterns in it then I suppose calling it a repeating wave is cool too!


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: excalibur127]
    #18802099 - 09/05/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

[55:19] The Self has made the two seas to flow freely (so that) they meet together:
[55:20] Between them is a barrier which they cannot pass.
[55:21] Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
[55:22] There come forth from them pearls, both large and small.
[55:23] Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
[55:24] And The Self's are the ships reared aloft in the sea like mountains.
[55:25] Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?
[55:26] Everyone on it must pass away.
[55:27] And there will endure for ever the person of your Lord, the Lord of glory and honor.
[55:28] Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?




Optimising function. There is a discrete lattice superimposed on a continuous Happening. The lattice extracts meaning from continuity.

The Universe is a giant ADC=>DAC=>ADC

Check out Causal Dynamical Triangulations or the Holographic Information Bound for further info.

This "Thing" is already fully described by Quantum Mechanics applied to General Relativity. It is found in understanding the nature of the Schrodinger Equation, TISE *and* TDSE.

It is an oscillation from extremes towards the Central Axis, always flying outwards to the extremes, back into the resonant Central Point of Pure Light.

[24:35] The Self is the light of the heavens and the earth; a likeness of Its Light is as a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp is in a glass, (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star, lit from a blessed olive-tree, neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not-- light upon light-- The Self guides to Its Light whom IT pleases, and The Self sets forth parables/examples/analogies for men, and The Self is Cognizant of all things.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: crkhd]
    #18802709 - 09/05/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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This "Thing" is already fully described by Quantum Mechanics applied to General Relativity. It is found in understanding the nature of the Schrodinger Equation, TISE *and* TDSE.




:picard:

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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18802873 - 09/05/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

@crkhd I don't understand a single word of what you are saying. Can you describe your idea in a nutshell without using overcomplicated words and Holy Book passages?


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: excalibur127]
    #18805346 - 09/05/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I get an intense feeling of things moving in a cyclical pattern that you describe (know that's not the best phrasing but I get what you mean) on the come up. The pattern seems to exponentially grow until I "break through" to the infinite where I come to total euphoria and am out of "the cycle."


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: neuroshaman]
    #18805405 - 09/05/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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neuroshaman said:
I get an intense feeling of things moving in a cyclical pattern that you describe (know that's not the best phrasing but I get what you mean) on the come up. The pattern seems to exponentially grow until I "break through" to the infinite where I come to total euphoria and am out of "the cycle."




i second that


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: Legend]
    #18805426 - 09/05/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do you mean cyclical?


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Re: The general pattern of things... you guys know what I mean, right? [Re: neuroshaman]
    #18805449 - 09/05/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Freudian slip?


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5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


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