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What's up with this?
    #18800628 - 09/04/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I think half of us on this site have some kind of social disorders.




I've been wondering about this for quite some time.  If true what's it mean? And what does it say about psychedelics or those that use them?

Discuss.


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander] * 2
    #18800671 - 09/04/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Round peg in a square hole


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Kickle]
    #18800693 - 09/04/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

elaborate


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
    #18800703 - 09/04/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I just commented on that line in the other thread.

I think everyone has some level of disorder due to our ignorance and fears, but then again order might be over-rated.


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
    #18800716 - 09/04/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
elaborate




Psychedelics are outside the culturally accepted bounds as represented by a square hole
Individuals willing to partake therefore must not be square

Some shapes likely get chafed more than others


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Kickle]
    #18800747 - 09/04/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So what came first,(mostly) the socially insecure individual or the psychedelics.

And if it was the former why were they drawn so to psychedelics?


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
    #18800781 - 09/04/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Socially estranged came first is my guess. As for why psychs I can only list first hand encounters as reasoning. From what I saw most first tried marijuana because a peer group was exploring. And most often the first to start in such a group had a relative who used. So a combination of finding a social refuge amongst other outcasts and the continuation of  a lineage.


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Kickle]
    #18800792 - 09/04/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What do you think in response to your initial question?


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
    #18800798 - 09/04/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i think people who lack the ability or inclination to get much stimulation from external affairs will naturally be more curious to go inwards and explore there - something that psychedelic use is fitting for


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: deff]
    #18800846 - 09/04/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I feel like the quote in the OP is projecting. I'm sure a lot of us are healthy sane human specimens.

I used psychedelics for a lot of reasons: curiosity, doing it as a social thing, seeing where the path lead...


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: deff]
    #18801360 - 09/04/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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deff said:
i think people who lack the ability or inclination to get much stimulation from external affairs will naturally be more curious to go inwards and explore there - something that psychedelic use is fitting for




You're avoiding the question. :nono:


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18801364 - 09/04/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel like the quote in the OP is projecting. I'm sure a lot of us are healthy sane human specimens.

I used psychedelics for a lot of reasons: curiosity, doing it as a social thing, seeing where the path lead...




I don't thing so.  If he had said everyone then maybe.  I've noticed something similar.  And I personally don't see a lot of healthy saneness around here.


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #18801395 - 09/04/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I think half of us on this site have some kind of social disorders.




I've been wondering about this for quite some time.  If true what's it mean? And what does it say about psychedelics or those that use them?

Discuss.




implying that most of us disrupt the systematic functioning or neat arrangement of society?  maybe that's why they're illegal? :lol:


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
    #18801406 - 09/04/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It seems to me psychedelics attract introverts, and push one further down that path by inducing paranoia (which manifests in various ways, like reading too much into events or poetry).

Overall I view psychedelics as largely a positive force, mostly positive, one of the most potentially rewarding experiences an individual can have or continue to have. I'm an extrovert and have tripped hundreds of times


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
    #18801413 - 09/04/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This place is pretty fucking weird, that's for sure.

If you're referring specifically to social disorders maybe that fact this is an internet forum might play a role. Those with adequate social skills and confidence would be less likely to camp out on the internet socialising and more likely to go out and do the face to face thing.

That's just one aspect though. Your heavily conditioned and armoured everyday human robot is not very likely to dabble in the crazy and taboo world of psychedelics and despite how it seems when I stick with people who have similar interests, I think the majority of the population are those robots.

Do you think people who don't use psychedelics are less likely to have social issues? It's hard for me to tell when almost all of my friends use or have used these drugs :lol:

If anything though I'd say the people I know who haven't used them (or used them less) have the more irrational fears.

I've often had similar thoughts to the OP so I'm interested to see some of the responses.


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
    #18801528 - 09/04/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Socially insecure came first for me. 

Being a pleasure-seeking beast, if one is withdrawn from socializing then they're going to look for pleasure and meaning elsewhere.  The first stop after withdrawing from engaging with something is observing it being done, and not being personally invested in it, perhaps tearing it to pieces and analyzing it with our fancy brains.  And then experimenting with the analytical machine itself -- whee!

Hence you have a group of people here -- lurkers, psychonauts, social outcasts -- who withdrew from society, gained an appreciation for observing and questioning that which they withdrew from and experimenting with the means of observation.  And then somewhere within this process, we all stumbled upon a relatable group with a similar interest and learned to engage with and find satisfaction in that which we first turned away from.

But what am I talking about -- I hardly ever post.  :lurker:


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18801555 - 09/04/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Overall I view psychedelics as largely a positive force, mostly positive, one of the most potentially rewarding experiences an individual can have or continue to have.




For sure.

Before I tried psychedelics I was in a pretty deep depression and was suicidal. After trying them I'm willing to put up with this shit that's going on for the time being  :cool:


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
    #18801705 - 09/05/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think the statement holds no weight.

Get a group of people, in that group there will be people with social disorders imo.

But, ime ive noticed ive become quite the introvert and I don't know if its considered healthy..I feel and think healthy (I think) but I don't know if society would deem my mind state as healthy.


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
    #18801734 - 09/05/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I think half of us on this site have some kind of social disorders.




I've been wondering about this for quite some time.  If true what's it mean? And what does it say about psychedelics or those that use them?

Discuss.




The PS&P'ers are sitting around singing Kumbuyah in their own way, just like the S&M'ers. We're all here for the idea sharing, the contact, the reinforcements, basically like any group of friends or clubs IRL. We are no exception and I don't see why we would be. We just happen to be a motley crew (if thats the right term) because as a group we've taken the risk of downing mind-melting drugs, some of us to the point of detriment. We're just a normal human social group who have a higher incidence of social disorders because the path we've each taken individually have lead us through that territory. To me, this is a form of counter culturalism which attracts these types of people.


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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
    #18801889 - 09/05/13 02:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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deff said:
i think people who lack the ability or inclination to get much stimulation from external affairs will naturally be more curious to go inwards and explore there - something that psychedelic use is fitting for




You're avoiding the question. :nono:




i thought i attempted to answer the second question ("And what does it say about psychedelics or those that use them?") - in that those who have social disorders are less likely to be successful at external stimulation and so seek an inner stimulation, which psychedelics allow. this is assuming the social disorder came prior to the psychedelic use. it's also possible that the psychedelic use initiated the so-called social disorder :lol:


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