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What's up with this?
#18800628 - 09/04/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think half of us on this site have some kind of social disorders.
I've been wondering about this for quite some time. If true what's it mean? And what does it say about psychedelics or those that use them?
Discuss.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander] 2
#18800671 - 09/04/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Round peg in a square hole
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Kickle]
#18800693 - 09/04/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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elaborate
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
#18800703 - 09/04/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just commented on that line in the other thread.
I think everyone has some level of disorder due to our ignorance and fears, but then again order might be over-rated.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
#18800716 - 09/04/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: elaborate
Psychedelics are outside the culturally accepted bounds as represented by a square hole Individuals willing to partake therefore must not be square
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Kickle]
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So what came first,(mostly) the socially insecure individual or the psychedelics.
And if it was the former why were they drawn so to psychedelics?
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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Socially estranged came first is my guess. As for why psychs I can only list first hand encounters as reasoning. From what I saw most first tried marijuana because a peer group was exploring. And most often the first to start in such a group had a relative who used. So a combination of finding a social refuge amongst other outcasts and the continuation of a lineage.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Kickle]
#18800792 - 09/04/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you think in response to your initial question?
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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i think people who lack the ability or inclination to get much stimulation from external affairs will naturally be more curious to go inwards and explore there - something that psychedelic use is fitting for
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: deff]
#18800846 - 09/04/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel like the quote in the OP is projecting. I'm sure a lot of us are healthy sane human specimens.
I used psychedelics for a lot of reasons: curiosity, doing it as a social thing, seeing where the path lead...
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: deff]
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deff said: i think people who lack the ability or inclination to get much stimulation from external affairs will naturally be more curious to go inwards and explore there - something that psychedelic use is fitting for
You're avoiding the question.
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EternalCowabunga said: I feel like the quote in the OP is projecting. I'm sure a lot of us are healthy sane human specimens.
I used psychedelics for a lot of reasons: curiosity, doing it as a social thing, seeing where the path lead...
I don't thing so. If he had said everyone then maybe. I've noticed something similar. And I personally don't see a lot of healthy saneness around here.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander] 1
#18801395 - 09/04/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think half of us on this site have some kind of social disorders.
I've been wondering about this for quite some time. If true what's it mean? And what does it say about psychedelics or those that use them?
Discuss.
implying that most of us disrupt the systematic functioning or neat arrangement of society? maybe that's why they're illegal?
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
#18801406 - 09/04/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It seems to me psychedelics attract introverts, and push one further down that path by inducing paranoia (which manifests in various ways, like reading too much into events or poetry).
Overall I view psychedelics as largely a positive force, mostly positive, one of the most potentially rewarding experiences an individual can have or continue to have. I'm an extrovert and have tripped hundreds of times
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
#18801413 - 09/04/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This place is pretty fucking weird, that's for sure.
If you're referring specifically to social disorders maybe that fact this is an internet forum might play a role. Those with adequate social skills and confidence would be less likely to camp out on the internet socialising and more likely to go out and do the face to face thing.
That's just one aspect though. Your heavily conditioned and armoured everyday human robot is not very likely to dabble in the crazy and taboo world of psychedelics and despite how it seems when I stick with people who have similar interests, I think the majority of the population are those robots.
Do you think people who don't use psychedelics are less likely to have social issues? It's hard for me to tell when almost all of my friends use or have used these drugs 
If anything though I'd say the people I know who haven't used them (or used them less) have the more irrational fears.
I've often had similar thoughts to the OP so I'm interested to see some of the responses.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
#18801528 - 09/04/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Socially insecure came first for me.
Being a pleasure-seeking beast, if one is withdrawn from socializing then they're going to look for pleasure and meaning elsewhere. The first stop after withdrawing from engaging with something is observing it being done, and not being personally invested in it, perhaps tearing it to pieces and analyzing it with our fancy brains. And then experimenting with the analytical machine itself -- whee!
Hence you have a group of people here -- lurkers, psychonauts, social outcasts -- who withdrew from society, gained an appreciation for observing and questioning that which they withdrew from and experimenting with the means of observation. And then somewhere within this process, we all stumbled upon a relatable group with a similar interest and learned to engage with and find satisfaction in that which we first turned away from.
But what am I talking about -- I hardly ever post.
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Overall I view psychedelics as largely a positive force, mostly positive, one of the most potentially rewarding experiences an individual can have or continue to have.
For sure.
Before I tried psychedelics I was in a pretty deep depression and was suicidal. After trying them I'm willing to put up with this shit that's going on for the time being
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
#18801705 - 09/05/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the statement holds no weight.
Get a group of people, in that group there will be people with social disorders imo.
But, ime ive noticed ive become quite the introvert and I don't know if its considered healthy..I feel and think healthy (I think) but I don't know if society would deem my mind state as healthy.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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I think half of us on this site have some kind of social disorders.
I've been wondering about this for quite some time. If true what's it mean? And what does it say about psychedelics or those that use them?
Discuss.
The PS&P'ers are sitting around singing Kumbuyah in their own way, just like the S&M'ers. We're all here for the idea sharing, the contact, the reinforcements, basically like any group of friends or clubs IRL. We are no exception and I don't see why we would be. We just happen to be a motley crew (if thats the right term) because as a group we've taken the risk of downing mind-melting drugs, some of us to the point of detriment. We're just a normal human social group who have a higher incidence of social disorders because the path we've each taken individually have lead us through that territory. To me, this is a form of counter culturalism which attracts these types of people.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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deff said: i think people who lack the ability or inclination to get much stimulation from external affairs will naturally be more curious to go inwards and explore there - something that psychedelic use is fitting for
You're avoiding the question. 
i thought i attempted to answer the second question ("And what does it say about psychedelics or those that use them?") - in that those who have social disorders are less likely to be successful at external stimulation and so seek an inner stimulation, which psychedelics allow. this is assuming the social disorder came prior to the psychedelic use. it's also possible that the psychedelic use initiated the so-called social disorder
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: deff]
#18801911 - 09/05/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've said before that this place is often the cause and cure of the "spiritual illness" some of us catch (not referring to a clinical illness but that whole mindset you can go through)
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: deff]
#18801920 - 09/05/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm a fucking nutcase with my brother and my mum, extremely extravert with all this spanner-in-the-works comments. I'm really much different with anyone else. I think it's a bad thing. I think I fear being judged if I be myself with others that don't love me unconditionally. It's great though, I think I make their lives really interesting, and mine too. It's a hoot.
Psychedelics make you one hell of a heady individual, a really far out, space-case sort of guy. I mean come on, those experiences are completely insane. Live a healthy normal life and if you touch shrooms you're going to be really shocked.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: circastes]
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circastes said: I'm a fucking nutcase with my brother and my mum, extremely extravert with all this spanner-in-the-works comments. I'm really much different with anyone else. I think it's a bad thing. I think I fear being judged if I be myself with others that don't love me unconditionally. It's great though, I think I make their lives really interesting, and mine too. It's a hoot.
Psychedelics make you one hell of a heady individual, a really far out, space-case sort of guy. I mean come on, those experiences are completely insane. Live a healthy normal life and if you touch shrooms you're going to be really shocked.
No ones going to love you unconditionally, not even yourself. That's just the way it is. But there's ultimately nothing wrong with you. You're a decent chap.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: circastes]
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Live a healthy normal life and if you touch shrooms you're going to be really shocked.
I don't agree. It became my mental home instantly.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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I think half of us on this site have some kind of social disorders.
I've been wondering about this for quite some time. If true what's it mean? And what does it say about psychedelics or those that use them?
Discuss.
I remember at school the group of us that started doing weed and other drugs were all social drop outs in some way. We were bums in a sense and were disinterested in the college/social process to an extent. I found a home there and a decent group of people for once, we liked to laugh and joke a lot and chill out in the fields surrounding the area, we cared little about our appearance or anything other than getting high and enjoying ourselves, those were the best times. The Shroomery is probably like another step on, even further from the madding crowds and their relentless obsession with progress.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Grapefruit]
#18802951 - 09/05/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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But what's with all the social disorders. Do you think that's about on par for the rest of the population?
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
#18803002 - 09/05/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know. It's hard to say sometimes whether the person with the disorder or the person who functions supposedly 'normally' within this society is more ill. Often I think the latter. Ya know what I mean?
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Grapefruit]
#18803020 - 09/05/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh I do.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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Online anonymity plays a big role. Example: icelander likes to play devils advocate & i allow my thoughts a temporary subscribtion to others ideas, philosophical & mundane alike & without actual recognition or responsibility for what we type. I feel people are drawn to push the limits of understanding in this context.
saying everyone is ill or sick or w/e would be a premature assumption given that you may actually know >than 1% of your online community & therefore have judged by only what is written by proxy of said anonymity.
that's shaky ground to form a conclusion about anyone
though we judge just the same...
there in lies the real issue.
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Where did you read anyone saying everyone was sick or ill? You are reading things that aren't there. 
I'm talking about those here that admit to social anxiety. And there seems to be a lot of them but hardly everyone.
My curiosity is are there more here than in the rest of the population?
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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i think online forums in general may have a higher percentage of people using them who have social anxiety than other more personal mediums do - just due to the nature of conversing behind a computer feeling much safer to those with social phobias
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: cez]
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Still through proxy of anonymity you must base your question & its answers. (Psychadelics aside.)
Someone may admit to a social disorder to elicit a response, w/e that may be. I'm online chatting with little to no restrictions to what is said or how its responded to in relation to how i may actually feel or think. you are to assume that if i say psychadelics has caused me to be anti social or introverted that it is so & is conclusive to your findings, i say people go h.a.m (hard as a mothafucka) while anonymous in a forum, with or without psychs. Pick your forum, the same rules generally apply.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: deff]
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deff said: i think online forums in general may have a higher percentage of people using them who have social anxiety than other more personal mediums do - just due to the nature of conversing behind a computer feeling much safer to those with social phobias
This.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: deff]
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deff said: i think online forums in general may have a higher percentage of people using them who have social anxiety than other more personal mediums do - just due to the nature of conversing behind a computer feeling much safer to those with social phobias
I guess you could check that theory out by joining another non drug related forum and ask around. But maybe here people are more willing to admit to this.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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Maybe start here - http://www.socialanxietysupport.com/forum/
It doesn't appear to be a drug related forum
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: birdland]
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Not the best place to start imo It's just going to attract social anxiety types.
EDIT: I see what you're getting at. I could ask about their drug use.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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No I wasn't getting at that at all, just making a stoopid attempt at humour
Although that's not a bad idea.
I guess you could also ask around the psychedelic communities if the anxious ones had anxiety before they started drug use as well as now.
I know I had it before any drugs were in the picture and it's a bit better now than it was then.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: birdland]
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I'm glad you're getting better.
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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My curiosity is are there more here than in the rest of the population?
Maybe we should make a poll, one here and one in the pub. Then compare stats
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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
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Only for you. 
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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liquidlounge

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Re: What's up with this? [Re: Icelander]
#18807601 - 09/06/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- As far as I assume to know...
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