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OfflineHerbologist
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Molly deaths
    #18798971 - 09/04/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So I know there was a thread earlier, about how Molly is the "new drug" and it is causing XX amount of overdoses/deaths.

But in that thread people kept mentioning how it most likely wasn't the MDMA they overdosed from but something added to it that made it dangerous.

Well here is a MSN link saying just that..

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More and more college-age kids are landing in emergency rooms after ingesting the designer drug known as Molly, but experts tell NBC News that many of the kids who think they’re using Molly are really taking something else -- often something more harmful, like bath salts.
Molly, usually sold as a white powder in a capsule, is the modern-day and allegedly purer reboot of the venerable party drug Ecstasy, also known by its chemical name, MDMA. Emergency room visits linked to Molly have doubled since 2004, and deaths attributed to the drug in Boston, Washington, Florida, Illinois and Canada have grabbed headlines over the past year. Most recently, an outdoor music festival in New York City was canceled Sunday when two concert goers died and four more fell ill after reportedly taking Molly.


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But experts say there’s no way to know for certain what many Molly users are actually ingesting. “That’s one of the most dangerous things about the situation now,” said Dr. Julie Holland, a psychiatrist and the editor of “Ecstasy: The Complete Guide.” “You have no idea what you’re getting.”
Part of the problem is that users mistakenly think that Molly is purer, and thus safer, than ecstasy, which was sold in tablets, because it’s a powder. Holland called this belief “stupid.”
“When you go to a concert and buy this white powder, it’s really a crap shoot,” she said.
Meghan Ralston, harm reduction manager at the Drug Policy Alliance, which advocates the reform of drug laws, said that Molly may actually be less pure than Ecstasy because it’s uniquely vulnerable to tampering.
“It’s pretty hard to mess with something once it’s pressed into a pill,” said Ralston. “Powder is a different story. It can be adulterated several times before it winds up in the hands of the user.”
While there are no controlled scientific tests that have measured the nationwide purity of Molly, several freelance groups have run chemical tests on Molly samples volunteered by the public. The results indicate massive impurity.

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Capsules of "Molly" seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration.

The Northern California couple that runs the testing website ecstasydata.org calculated that only 23 percent of the samples of Molly sent in by consumers and tested in its DEA-licensed lab in 2013 were actually pure MDMA.
Also this year, an anonymous group called the Bunk Police has been attending music festivals around the country and selling test kits to concert goers so that drug users can determine what they’re actually ingesting. Their results are similar to those of ecstasydata.org.
Jeffrey Bryan Chambers, the producer in a film crew that shadowed the Bunk Police this summer for an upcoming documentary, said that most people who spend the $20 on the kits do so after an unhappy experience. “They approach the Bunk Police after someone they know has taken Molly and isn’t feeling well, or they say, ‘I’ve taken Molly before and this doesn’t feel right,’” explained Chambers.
That means the numbers may be skewed toward dissatisfied customers, but Chambers said that “easily half” of the tested samples were either significantly adulterated or were some other chemical entirely.
The foreign substances that turn up in these tests, and in toxicology reports from hospitals, include methamphetamine, the animal tranquilizer ketamine, caffeine, antidepressants and two amphetamines known as PMA and PMMA. PMA and PMMA have been implicated in dozens of deaths, including deaths in Canada, Florida and Illinois of people who believed they were taking MDMA.
According to Chambers, however, the most common adulterants in the samples tested by the Bunk Police kits this summer were the synthetic drugs known as bath salts, including the cathinones MDPV, methylone and mephedrone. He said bath salts were so prevalent that some of the concert goers he met who were convinced they were “rolling” on real MDMA were shocked when tests revealed they were taking bath salts. Every hit of Molly they’d ever taken, he said, was probably bath salts, so they didn’t know the difference.
While these substances can mimic MDMA, they have their own sometimes serious side effects, and have been linked to their own surge in ER visits. They’re also a moving target, according to both law enforcement and drug experts.
As quick as the federal government can outlaw the chemicals, chemists can change a molecule or two and invent new ones. The rapid changes can make it hard for emergency room doctors to know just what’s inside their patients.
“In most cases, I would think [ERs] are going to run a a tox[icology] screen for a lot of the compounds mixed into powdered drugs,” said Ralston. “But a lot of them are brand new emerging chemicals and they are not being included in toxicology screens. They are literally only a few months old. Even state-of-the-art tox screens are not going to catch those drugs.”
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The foreign substances have also made it challenging for health officials to figure out what’s behind the recent spike in ER admissions linked to Molly. A government health official with expertise in addiction said that even now authorities can’t be certain whether they’re seeing higher potency or wider use of the drug – or neither.
It is possible for a user to overdose on pure MDMA, and also to suffer side effects like high blood pressure and high body temperature that are exacerbated by the kind of situations in which MDMA is used. Kids who take Molly at an outdoor summer concert may dance in the sun for hours and experience dehydration and heat stroke.
But the health official said that in the past – in the Ecstasy era – doctors did not often see “acute effects” from MDMA, and therefore “did not devote a lot of time to it.”
The reality, said the official, is that before the age of Molly, “from the public health point of view, MDMA was not felt to be an incredibly high-risk drug.”




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OfflineUzziel
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Re: Molly deaths [Re: Herbologist]
    #18798980 - 09/04/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

These people are mothafuckin' dumb. MDMA has had the slang name molly for god knows how long now...and molly AINT suppose to have no fuckin bathsalts in it and if it were legal no one would have this problem.

YEAH. MAKE IT ILLEGAL AND MAKE IT MORE DANGEROUS. Good job Feds, you are really saving lives here.... :facepalm:


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: Uzziel]
    #18799064 - 09/04/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Uzziel said:
These people are mothafuckin' dumb. MDMA has had the slang name molly for god knows how long now...and molly AINT suppose to have no fuckin bathsalts in it and if it were legal no one would have this problem.

YEAH. MAKE IT ILLEGAL AND MAKE IT MORE DANGEROUS. Good job Feds, you are really saving lives here.... :facepalm:




This is just a lost cause on average folk. I tried educating people on this on a news page and "no way!! How do you know it wasn't MDMA?? MDMA is so deadly!! You don't know what you're talking about! Stop promoting ignorance!"


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18799088 - 09/04/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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JacksonMetaller said:
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Uzziel said:
These people are mothafuckin' dumb. MDMA has had the slang name molly for god knows how long now...and molly AINT suppose to have no fuckin bathsalts in it and if it were legal no one would have this problem.

YEAH. MAKE IT ILLEGAL AND MAKE IT MORE DANGEROUS. Good job Feds, you are really saving lives here.... :facepalm:




This is just a lost cause on average folk. I tried educating people on this on a news page and "no way!! How do you know it wasn't MDMA?? MDMA is so deadly!! You don't know what you're talking about! Stop promoting ignorance!"



oh the irony


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: Herbologist]
    #18799105 - 09/04/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How sad when dealers care more about profit than the lives of their customers.  This is the reason that I have never tried Molly. It's just too damn risky.  Stick to natural drugs folks.  The ones that you can identify with your own eyes. :peace:


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #18799224 - 09/04/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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physicist said:
How sad when dealers care more about profit than the lives of their customers.  This is the reason that I have never tried Molly. It's just too damn risky.  Stick to natural drugs folks.  The ones that you can identify with your own eyes. :peace:




Chemical test kits are also good identifiers. Probably better than my eyes which I don't trust with identifying mushrooms


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18799305 - 09/04/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If it was legal and regulated this wouldn't happen. We would know what we're getting without having to invest in test strips. Which almost no one does.


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #18799582 - 09/04/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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physicist said:
How sad when dealers care more about profit than the lives of their customers.  This is the reason that I have never tried Molly. It's just too damn risky.  Stick to natural drugs folks.  The ones that you can identify with your own eyes. :peace:





natural drugs can be deadly as well, think about it, nicotine is natural,
do you advocate we all take up smoking? alcohol is also natural but it
can destroy your liver and kidneys, this is no different than natural
pesticides which are often more dangerous than their synthetic counterparts,
why do people believe that just because it's natural that it's safer?


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: lil_demented]
    #18799590 - 09/04/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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lil_demented said:
If it was legal and regulated this wouldn't happen.






yes it would, there's always some shady tool out trying to make a buck

http://www.fridae.asia/newsfeatures/2009/09/18/8965.counterfeit-sex-drugs-11-deaths-and-24-coma-cases
http://open.salon.com/blog/amytuteurmd/2009/02/18/santi_bovine_penis_erecting_capsule


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18799595 - 09/04/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, its also called a testing kit. But all these damn natural hippies don't got a brain to think straight...too fucked up on natural drugs :rofl:


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: Uzziel]
    #18799602 - 09/04/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The stupid die young! :laugh:


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18799633 - 09/04/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I think so too, but its harder to replicate or adulterate pills made to pharmaceutical standards than it is now to pass off a powder or even "moon rocks" if you have a little bit of brain.

Pills are harder to replicate but there has always been "copy-cats" somehow IME.
The copy-cat pills I've seen always look different, too, but to a user who hasn't seen the original in person to tell how easy it crumbles etc. they would not know the difference, only that the Blue Dolphins are good.
Then they end up getting a BZP pill etc.

I guess my real point is Pills > Molly IMO


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: pcplease] * 1
    #18799649 - 09/04/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Regulation turned out so well for tobacco.
It's never about making things safer, only money.


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18799698 - 09/04/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
natural drugs can be deadly as well, think about it, nicotine is natural,
do you advocate we all take up smoking? alcohol is also natural but it
can destroy your liver and kidneys, this is no different than natural
pesticides which are often more dangerous than their synthetic counterparts,
why do people believe that just because it's natural that it's safer?




Touche.  I don't advocate anything. Do whatever please ya to your body/mind.  I suppose that I should have said classics instead of what is natural.  Although this is up for interpretation too.  How about: be wary of ingesting powders purchased from strangers at festivals. Mkay kids.


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #18799742 - 09/04/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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physicist said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
natural drugs can be deadly as well, think about it, nicotine is natural,
do you advocate we all take up smoking? alcohol is also natural but it
can destroy your liver and kidneys, this is no different than natural
pesticides which are often more dangerous than their synthetic counterparts,
why do people believe that just because it's natural that it's safer?




Touche.  I don't advocate anything. Do whatever please ya to your body/mind.  I suppose that I should have said classics instead of what is natural.  Although this is up for interpretation too.  How about: be wary of ingesting powders purchased from strangers at festivals. Mkay kids.





even those 'classics' can be lethal, maybe you should have said 'weed and
shrooms' but then comes the problem with identifying the shrooms, there's
lookalikes that are lethal


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
    #18799790 - 09/04/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Natural vs artificial doesn't in itself tell you how safe something is, but the source does tell you something about how likely it is to be what you think it is. Natural drugs you grow yourself are at least somewhat predictable, dosage varies but a marijuana plant is not going to spontaneously make a lethal dose of nightshade alkaloids. Pharma drugs have even better predictability because doses are standardized and mistakes are pretty rare. Synthetic street drugs on the other hand are a lot more of a crapshoot.


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: psi]
    #18799885 - 09/04/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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psi said:
Pharma drugs have even better predictability because doses are standardized and mistakes are pretty rare.



Great post, but I'd like to counter saying the predictability with pharmaceuticals only goes as far as the tolerance of the user. Although some marijuana may be more powerful than another, people have adverse reactions to pain pills on a regular basis. There are significantly less variables in recreational marijuana use than those of pharms.


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: SoreSpore]
    #18799942 - 09/04/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

True, that predictability only goes as far as what chemicals are present, there are other factors affecting what the effects will be for any given person.


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18831487 - 09/12/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Personally I miss the days of pressies. Back around 1997-2000 back in my rave/festival days best pills I ever had. Nice soft loosely pressed light colored not glossy bright hard ass fake PMA or some other RC pills that are around now.

After 9/11 shit all changed up.


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Re: Molly deaths [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18831515 - 09/12/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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lil_demented said:
If it was legal and regulated this wouldn't happen.






yes it would, there's always some shady tool out trying to make a buck

http://www.fridae.asia/newsfeatures/2009/09/18/8965.counterfeit-sex-drugs-11-deaths-and-24-coma-cases
http://open.salon.com/blog/amytuteurmd/2009/02/18/santi_bovine_penis_erecting_capsule




Well then... It would happen less often lol. In this current market I can't even find real MDMA and I can find just about everything else so I can't imagine what the poor saps who are trying it for the first time at a concert come across


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