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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Memories]
    #18786651 - 09/01/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

we live in manufactured times with manufactured laws and manufactured history and religions.

It's like living in a movie that is writing itself:
in this world LSD is a very old and very reliable natural thing.
it is very honest, and much more true to form than much of what has become normal and expected.
like single malt whisky
just better.


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #18786696 - 09/01/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm continually amazed at how little logic invades your posts. :confused:


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
    #18786955 - 09/01/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

speaking of old and reliable...


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #18787006 - 09/01/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

ouch:satansmoking:


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #18787098 - 09/01/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

so is blotter more natural than windowpane? gels have always done me right... but i'm vegetarian these days so that seems a little less natural... all the same i'd say liquid is more natural than either, but certainly less natural than crystal... :confused:  i'm not sure where microdots fits into the equation, but i've never had those in the first place....


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18787164 - 09/01/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

blotter windowpane microdots have all be natural options.


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #18787210 - 09/01/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yah but you said comparatively so I'm comparing .


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18787268 - 09/01/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

that's natural
(I meant blotter windowpane microdots  have all been natural options)



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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #18788784 - 09/02/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's semi synthetic. Nature and science baby. Cleanest and most incredible substance in fackin world.


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: hTx]
    #18798626 - 09/04/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Is man natural?

And are man-made things unnatural?





This!^^^ I find it interesting that people constantly divide humans and human creations from nature, or better yet get into debates about or consider one psychoactive to automatically be better than the other based on this criteria alone. I mean people don't generally consider bird's nests or beaver dams to be unnatural, yet anything we touch somehow is? I s'pose it could be an argument of complexity or something, but that would then be denying the vast complexity found in biology, etc. I vote as natural as anything else that has ever existed so long as you don't consider man to be separate from nature.


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
    #18799020 - 09/04/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

bees are natural. honey is natural. man is natural. LSD is natural. I feel the bee/honey analogy works pretty well to show how man-made things are natural. unless of course you dont believe honey or man is natural...and if thats the case...well I'll just let you think on that for a little.


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
    #18799166 - 09/04/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I really don't know how to see anything as unnatural.  I understand that humans can manipulate and create but I see nothing coming out of whole cloth.  Nature provides man divides. :shrug:




Agreed

Like "organic fruit"... never seen non-carbon based fruit myself :confused:


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: LittileSkierDude]
    #18801149 - 09/04/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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bees are natural. honey is natural. man is natural. LSD is natural. I feel the bee/honey analogy works pretty well to show how man-made things are natural. unless of course you dont believe honey or man is natural...and if thats the case...well I'll just let you think on that for a little.



good points


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #18801286 - 09/04/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i mean really it seems the question has nothing to do with lsd, but if there is even such a thing as nature, the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.

if there weren't humans or beings capable of comparable neurosemantic functions, could magic mushrooms exist on our earth?  if there weren't humans, or beings capable of comparable neurosemantic functions, could lsd exist on our earth?  that's the only point of the distinguishment between natural and synthetic to me...  unnatural implies something slightly different than synthetic though, because it implies something that even mankind couldn't be responsible for... it implies something metaphysical.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18801293 - 09/04/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

In food, organic has a completely different definition, referring to the lack of pesticides and certain fertilisers.


What makes a drug natural though? Is it the feeling the drug gives?

I love hearing the "I'd like to try shrooms because they're natural, but I'd never do acid" argument. I mean I do love mushrooms but come on, the vast majority of people who are experienced in both agree that lsd is generally a much easier/lighter experience. It's more benign imo, less of a big deal. (Though still a bid deal in itself)


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: birdland]
    #18801308 - 09/04/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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In food, organic has a completely different definition, referring to the lack of pesticides and certain fertilisers.





Way to miss the point entirely.

LSD is organic, its as natural as hybridized wheat from 5000 BC.


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18801327 - 09/04/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I find it hard to believe anything man-made is inherently unnatural. I mean that sort of implies that it's not a product of nature. Humans are nature though, so I'd think anything created by us is essentially created by nature; it's natural.

I use the word a lot though, more so in reference to a feeling. The feeling that something's not right, or even an intuition. What's unnatural to me might be completely natural and unquestionable to someone else though


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: birdland]
    #18801345 - 09/04/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I find it hard to believe anything man-made is inherently unnatural. I mean that sort of implies that it's not a product of nature. Humans are nature though, so I'd think anything created by us is essentially created by nature; it's natural.

I use the word a lot though, more so in reference to a feeling. The feeling that something's not right, or even an intuition. What's unnatural to me might be completely natural and unquestionable to someone else though




Well, that's what I said as well, that there's a qualitative difference between natural vs. synthetic in such a context and natural vs. unnatural.

Awhile back I was watching Alan Ball talk about his show True Blood and he talked quite a bit about how he aimed to having everything with these vampires correspond to something that existed within nature as opposed to being something damned by "God" or metaphysical in origin... It was pretty cool :lol:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18801369 - 09/04/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Okay yeah I honestly had no idea that's what you were referring to. :lol:

I don't know much about chemistry, are you saying LSD is organic because it contains carbon and therefore natural?


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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: birdland]
    #18801377 - 09/04/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:etjesus:

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birdland said:
Okay yeah I honestly had no idea that's what you were referring to. :lol:

I don't know much about chemistry, are you saying LSD is organic because it contains carbon and therefore natural?




Well it was a joke, kind of corny I guess.
But by extension I don't consider anything unnatural, semantically sure but all we're doing is rearranging things which are already there. On a chemical level or in the 'larger' picture its just moving things around.


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