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    #18798503 - 09/04/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Shroomerites we get a lot of questions of why is this happening why isn't that happening.  Why don't we make a thread of common mistakes we can link back to instead of repeating ourselves ad nauseam. Second post of this thread I'll update as others add.

Maybe we can even provide links to teks should the topics discussed require it.  I know there is a search bar and I myself am tired of copy/pasta of "use the search bar" add that with the assholes who delete their posts when they ask a question and get there personal Google on.

Thoughts?


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18798504 - 09/04/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Q: When is the best time to harvest?
A: When the veil of the mushroom starts to tear, if you want to take spore prints wait until the cap starts to flatten.  Once the veil tears actives are no longer being produced and the mushroom puts on water weight.

Q: How long till I see growth after inoculation?
A: if using multispore best case scenario is around 3 days, however it can take up to a month to see visible growth.  This does not mean you will have a poor flush - everyone grows at their own rate.



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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18798557 - 09/04/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Is this thread for people to ask questions like "why are my fruits so small?" and "Why don't I have pins yet?"


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18798584 - 09/04/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

alot of it comes down to ,
peeps dont read.
peeps want instant answers,
peeps who grow a pan, declare themselves experts, and spread misinfo.
and ,trolls packing threads to dilute info.

noobs should be welcome,
but half ass/ hacks , and those not interested in anything other than jiffy pop,
should just be harshed on.

we get played ALOT , by reducing things to the 8th grade science level.

peeps should rise to the grow, and we should no longer entertain hacks.
in a race to the dumbest, no one wins.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18798718 - 09/04/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Also for some reason people cant seem to figure out how to dry mushrooms and even when you say how they don't believe you. Same deal with a PC.

Good idea but seems like everyone has to try their retard TEK first and fail. They should just have a reading portion and test to sign up for the forums.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18798769 - 09/04/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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SpitballJedi said:
Is this thread for people to ask questions like "why are my fruits so small?" and "Why don't I have pins yet?"




No not to ask questions.  We copy and past the link.  We each take part in it based on our knowledge and update.  We refer questions to a new post.  This is a shitty example b/c I am on a tablet and will do a good post when I am off of work:

Q: Why are my fruits small
A: Small fruits are produced by either genetics, over saturation or overly dry substrate. If you do not know how to tell the correct moisture content of your substrate search field capacity.

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anne halonium said:
alot of it comes down to ,
peeps dont read.
peeps want instant answers,
peeps who grow a pan, declare themselves experts, and spread misinfo.
and ,trolls packing threads to dilute info.

noobs should be welcome,
but half ass/ hacks , and those not interested in anything other than jiffy pop,
should just be harshed on.

we get played ALOT , by reducing things to the 8th grade science level.

peeps should rise to the grow, and we should no longer entertain hacks.
in a race to the dumbest, no one wins.





I agree with you about 90%, the problem is people will still entertain those hacks, along with impatient people consistently bumping their threads in hope of an answer.  The most common response is to flame the fuck out of them till they never come back; we keep that approach soon we wont have much new blood in the community.  I dont believe this should be a method of spoon feeding, but a spring board to at least point them in a direction.

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bodhisatta said:
Also for some reason people cant seem to figure out how to dry mushrooms and even when you say how they don't believe you. Same deal with a PC.

Good idea but seems like everyone has to try their retard TEK first and fail. They should just have a reading portion and test to sign up for the forums.





This is where Anne's point comes in with a resounding applause - fuck them, if they have their mind made up and just post to argue 1, it could be considered flaming or trolling 2 - they are just trying to get their post count up.

Think of this as teaching the man where to find the most recent info on the books of how to fish - not teach him to fish directly.

A lot of our current info on the front page is over 10 years old and tons of false information gets spread too quickly.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18799437 - 09/04/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I like the idea, but I'm not sure about the format and scope...


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
    #18799489 - 09/04/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I just edited the second post to give a better example.  The scope is for basic questions that are non tek specific.  Not really a place for newbies to ask questions.  But lets say KJ you see a question that's not really specific to a particular tek that is constantly asked we could post it with the answer here.

Obviously if someone is asking about grain to grain there are a million g2g teks for them to choose from, but lets say the question keeps coming up as "how long till recovery" we could put that in here.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18799638 - 09/04/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why do you care so much about new growers? Fuck 'em. Let them figure it out on their own. Every couple of months some newb will create a thread like this talking about ways to help other newbs who ask the same questions over and over. It will never end. If you don't want to deal with it, then skip those threads, or go to a different forum.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18799651 - 09/04/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, ok I think I follow... Boiled down and commonly accepted answers to specific repeated questions. Worth a shot.

There are two things I keep seeing repeated by beginners which, fair enough, is tech related - but maybe it would still be worth including something on here as they both more or less have simple one paragraph answers...?

Firstly; any variation on "what can I do to make my SGFC better" and "why ain't my SGFC working".

And secondly; variations on "should I remove the tape on my BRF jars?" / "what is the function of the verm barrier?" / "micropore tape?" / etc etc




Prismism; cause confused new growers make old growers cranky. Case and point.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
    #18799707 - 09/04/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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prismism said:
Why do you care so much about new growers? Fuck 'em. Let them figure it out on their own. Every couple of months some newb will create a thread like this talking about ways to help other newbs who ask the same questions over and over. It will never end. If you don't want to deal with it, then skip those threads, or go to a different forum.




Because if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.  I lurked on here for a long time before I made an account. 

The other thing you have to keep in mind is not everyone learns the same way, isn't that what this forum is for learning?  Or is a place to be an elitist and make things sound harder for new people than it needs to be.

My time on the board means shit, but feel free to call me a newb, I have well documented results.

If you don't care about new growers why hang out in the general cultivation forum and not the advanced mycology?  OH THATS RIGHT ITS FUCKING DEAD.

So come and flame people who want to help other people, which was this boards general intention.

Anyway, enjoy the view from your soap box - there are plenty with your view of the board so I know its not lonely.  So why don't you leave us lowly newbs alone since we are not to your standards.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18799755 - 09/04/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That was some hippy bullshit right there. Everybody knows that mush cult's only purposes are for showing off big mushroom grows and arguing over insignificant miniscule personal grow preferences.
Newbs are just fodder. The only reason people help them is to try and prove that they're smart and further pad their egos. Showing off to obtain that "Trusted Cultivator" jpeg.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
    #18799810 - 09/04/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That is some bullshit right there. I didn't know this board was about that, I genuinely enjoy helping people with this exciting hobby.
So that must mean I want a TC tag? Fuck no, I just don't mind answering questions if I know the answer to them.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
    #18799830 - 09/04/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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prismism said:
That was some hippy bullshit right there. Everybody knows that mush cult's only purposes are for showing off big mushroom grows and arguing over insignificant miniscule personal grow preferences.
Newbs are just fodder. The only reason people help them is to try and prove that they're smart and further pad their egos. Showing off to obtain that "Trusted Cultivator" jpeg.




I believe there was a time when new ideas were developed here. Mostly though, these days, it's just the same questions over and over again. If something new does pop up, it gets buried under the mountain. Sometimes I see the same question posted by 3 or 4 people at the same time.

Most people answer newb questions with what they read somewhere else.

I don't think this thread will be any different than this one or have any more impact than this.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18799884 - 09/04/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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SpitballJedi said:
Quote:

prismism said:
That was some hippy bullshit right there. Everybody knows that mush cult's only purposes are for showing off big mushroom grows and arguing over insignificant miniscule personal grow preferences.
Newbs are just fodder. The only reason people help them is to try and prove that they're smart and further pad their egos. Showing off to obtain that "Trusted Cultivator" jpeg.




I believe there was a time when new ideas were developed here. Mostly though, these days, it's just the same questions over and over again. If something new does pop up, it gets buried under the mountain. Sometimes I see the same question posted by 3 or 4 people at the same time.

Most people answer newb questions with what they read somewhere else.

I don't think this thread will be any different than this one or have any more impact than this.





Which is fine, if it goes no where it goes no where and was a waste of server space. But to just write off anyone who is new or wants to assist others is bullshit, why even frequent the board if all you're going to do is flame? (thats not directed at you Spit)

I know there was a push a year ago to help clean up the board, and I agree fuck the ones that have temper tantrums when you offer help.  But as I said before the search engine is fucked, try searching for something basic.

I'm not discouraging people from reading and doing research, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with someone seeking additional clarification.

Also, thats what makes it a community and a learning resource, by answering questions that we read the answer to elsewhere, whether its on this board or a scientific journal.  I stay the fuck out of anything I don't know, I read and if its something I might explore later I bookmark it since I have nothing to contribute to those conversations.  I don't expect others to have the same ideals as me, but at the end of the day why would anyone want to discourage growth of a hobby or a site that vendors rely on traffic from?  Let's not forget supporter accounts that help keep the site alive.

I'm not say or assuming this site is going to disappear, but you have to take a step back and look at how we treat all new members, not just the idiots.

And I am not comparing myself to him, but I am sure RR made lets grow mushrooms for the uber pros amirite??????


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
    #18800307 - 09/04/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The way I see it, this is a forum for discussion. People all too often mix up teks because they did too much reading without soaking much in. Plus, I'm sure a lot of people would just like to discuss what exactly it is they are doing. Maybe they're doing something wrong that they're not aware of.

I understand the frustration with the people who have been members for a long time and have to answer the same question over and over again. But you have to remember what you can do stoned, broke & blindfolded, they can't do sober with an unlimited budget.

I learned PF Tek by reading this site years ago. I have never had a problem finding ANY answer I've needed by using the search function. But noobs may not know specific words, terminology, etc. And some people don't know how to work these fancy internet computers.

Just give the noobs a break. We were all there once.

I approve of any general FAQ. Just my 2 cents on the issue.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: The Psyentist]
    #18800457 - 09/04/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I used to get agitated, but I learned to ignore.

But over the years, this sight has gotten so bloated with the same posts.

We've already bloated this thread and ain't nobody said shit. It's still the same "help vs don't help" debate and "what about the poor noobs?" This ain't even the first time this has all been debated, not even by me.

Yeah OP, we hijacked your shit. Welcome to the Shroomery. :thumbup:

Your heart's in the right place though. I'd give you 5 shrooms if I still participated in that ego trip


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18800484 - 09/04/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It just comes with the territory - the internet brings together all different people, from all walks of life....

That's just the beauty (or frustration) of the internet.

Some people will read, absorb and excel at mushroom cultivation; while dozens of others with post the same questions, to which the answers are easily accessible; fail and disappear, never to be seen nor heard from again....

Just the way things are I guess..


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
    #18800498 - 09/04/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

prismism said:
Why do you care so much about new growers? Fuck 'em. Let them figure it out on their own. Every couple of months some newb will create a thread like this talking about ways to help other newbs who ask the same questions over and over. It will never end. If you don't want to deal with it, then skip those threads, or go to a different forum.




I kind of agree with this. If you can't grow cubes you shouldn't grow cubes. It's almost hard not to get these things to fruit using horrible procedures and outright wrong technique. Then again information is always good so I applaud the effort hopefully it contributes to one less thread about something stupid.


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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18800501 - 09/04/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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SpitballJedi said:
I used to get agitated, but I learned to ignore.

But over the years, this sight has gotten so bloated with the same posts.

We've already bloated this thread and ain't nobody said shit. It's still the same "help vs don't help" debate and "what about the poor noobs?" This ain't even the first time this has all been debated, not even by me.

Yeah OP, we hijacked your shit. Welcome to the Shroomery. :thumbup:

Your heart's in the right place though. I'd give you 5 shrooms if I still participated in that ego trip





I only registered a few months after you Spitball.... I dunno why everyone thinks I'm so new - I just became more vocal.  I was already PF teking for a year before joining and started posting b/c I got tired of getting bad info from the searches.  I took my newbie knocks - ask NaH, he reamed me good a few times.

Don't worry about the hijack - I've done my fair share of it on here as well.  This was more a discussion than anything else. 

I was trying to find something positive that came out of this thread, but unfortunately there really isn't anything.  This goes to show why we cant have nice things around here....


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