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tbagtag
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FaH discussion
#18798503 - 09/04/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomerites we get a lot of questions of why is this happening why isn't that happening. Why don't we make a thread of common mistakes we can link back to instead of repeating ourselves ad nauseam. Second post of this thread I'll update as others add.
Maybe we can even provide links to teks should the topics discussed require it. I know there is a search bar and I myself am tired of copy/pasta of "use the search bar" add that with the assholes who delete their posts when they ask a question and get there personal Google on.
Thoughts?
Edited by tbagtag (09/07/13 10:06 AM)
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18798504 - 09/04/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Q: When is the best time to harvest? A: When the veil of the mushroom starts to tear, if you want to take spore prints wait until the cap starts to flatten. Once the veil tears actives are no longer being produced and the mushroom puts on water weight.
Q: How long till I see growth after inoculation? A: if using multispore best case scenario is around 3 days, however it can take up to a month to see visible growth. This does not mean you will have a poor flush - everyone grows at their own rate.
Edited by tbagtag (09/04/13 02:31 PM)
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18798557 - 09/04/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is this thread for people to ask questions like "why are my fruits so small?" and "Why don't I have pins yet?"
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18798584 - 09/04/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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alot of it comes down to , peeps dont read. peeps want instant answers, peeps who grow a pan, declare themselves experts, and spread misinfo. and ,trolls packing threads to dilute info.
noobs should be welcome, but half ass/ hacks , and those not interested in anything other than jiffy pop, should just be harshed on.
we get played ALOT , by reducing things to the 8th grade science level.
peeps should rise to the grow, and we should no longer entertain hacks. in a race to the dumbest, no one wins.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18798718 - 09/04/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also for some reason people cant seem to figure out how to dry mushrooms and even when you say how they don't believe you. Same deal with a PC.
Good idea but seems like everyone has to try their retard TEK first and fail. They should just have a reading portion and test to sign up for the forums.
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tbagtag
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: bodhisatta]
#18798769 - 09/04/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Is this thread for people to ask questions like "why are my fruits so small?" and "Why don't I have pins yet?"
No not to ask questions. We copy and past the link. We each take part in it based on our knowledge and update. We refer questions to a new post. This is a shitty example b/c I am on a tablet and will do a good post when I am off of work:
Q: Why are my fruits small A: Small fruits are produced by either genetics, over saturation or overly dry substrate. If you do not know how to tell the correct moisture content of your substrate search field capacity.
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anne halonium said: alot of it comes down to , peeps dont read. peeps want instant answers, peeps who grow a pan, declare themselves experts, and spread misinfo. and ,trolls packing threads to dilute info.
noobs should be welcome, but half ass/ hacks , and those not interested in anything other than jiffy pop, should just be harshed on.
we get played ALOT , by reducing things to the 8th grade science level.
peeps should rise to the grow, and we should no longer entertain hacks. in a race to the dumbest, no one wins.
I agree with you about 90%, the problem is people will still entertain those hacks, along with impatient people consistently bumping their threads in hope of an answer. The most common response is to flame the fuck out of them till they never come back; we keep that approach soon we wont have much new blood in the community. I dont believe this should be a method of spoon feeding, but a spring board to at least point them in a direction.
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bodhisatta said: Also for some reason people cant seem to figure out how to dry mushrooms and even when you say how they don't believe you. Same deal with a PC.
Good idea but seems like everyone has to try their retard TEK first and fail. They should just have a reading portion and test to sign up for the forums.
This is where Anne's point comes in with a resounding applause - fuck them, if they have their mind made up and just post to argue 1, it could be considered flaming or trolling 2 - they are just trying to get their post count up.
Think of this as teaching the man where to find the most recent info on the books of how to fish - not teach him to fish directly.
A lot of our current info on the front page is over 10 years old and tons of false information gets spread too quickly.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18799437 - 09/04/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like the idea, but I'm not sure about the format and scope...
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tbagtag
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18799489 - 09/04/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just edited the second post to give a better example. The scope is for basic questions that are non tek specific. Not really a place for newbies to ask questions. But lets say KJ you see a question that's not really specific to a particular tek that is constantly asked we could post it with the answer here.
Obviously if someone is asking about grain to grain there are a million g2g teks for them to choose from, but lets say the question keeps coming up as "how long till recovery" we could put that in here.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18799638 - 09/04/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why do you care so much about new growers? Fuck 'em. Let them figure it out on their own. Every couple of months some newb will create a thread like this talking about ways to help other newbs who ask the same questions over and over. It will never end. If you don't want to deal with it, then skip those threads, or go to a different forum.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18799651 - 09/04/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, ok I think I follow... Boiled down and commonly accepted answers to specific repeated questions. Worth a shot.
There are two things I keep seeing repeated by beginners which, fair enough, is tech related - but maybe it would still be worth including something on here as they both more or less have simple one paragraph answers...?
Firstly; any variation on "what can I do to make my SGFC better" and "why ain't my SGFC working".
And secondly; variations on "should I remove the tape on my BRF jars?" / "what is the function of the verm barrier?" / "micropore tape?" / etc etc
Prismism; cause confused new growers make old growers cranky. Case and point.
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tbagtag
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
#18799707 - 09/04/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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prismism said: Why do you care so much about new growers? Fuck 'em. Let them figure it out on their own. Every couple of months some newb will create a thread like this talking about ways to help other newbs who ask the same questions over and over. It will never end. If you don't want to deal with it, then skip those threads, or go to a different forum.
Because if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. I lurked on here for a long time before I made an account.
The other thing you have to keep in mind is not everyone learns the same way, isn't that what this forum is for learning? Or is a place to be an elitist and make things sound harder for new people than it needs to be.
My time on the board means shit, but feel free to call me a newb, I have well documented results.
If you don't care about new growers why hang out in the general cultivation forum and not the advanced mycology? OH THATS RIGHT ITS FUCKING DEAD.
So come and flame people who want to help other people, which was this boards general intention.
Anyway, enjoy the view from your soap box - there are plenty with your view of the board so I know its not lonely. So why don't you leave us lowly newbs alone since we are not to your standards.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18799755 - 09/04/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That was some hippy bullshit right there. Everybody knows that mush cult's only purposes are for showing off big mushroom grows and arguing over insignificant miniscule personal grow preferences. Newbs are just fodder. The only reason people help them is to try and prove that they're smart and further pad their egos. Showing off to obtain that "Trusted Cultivator" jpeg.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
#18799810 - 09/04/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is some bullshit right there. I didn't know this board was about that, I genuinely enjoy helping people with this exciting hobby. So that must mean I want a TC tag? Fuck no, I just don't mind answering questions if I know the answer to them.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
#18799830 - 09/04/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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prismism said: That was some hippy bullshit right there. Everybody knows that mush cult's only purposes are for showing off big mushroom grows and arguing over insignificant miniscule personal grow preferences. Newbs are just fodder. The only reason people help them is to try and prove that they're smart and further pad their egos. Showing off to obtain that "Trusted Cultivator" jpeg.
I believe there was a time when new ideas were developed here. Mostly though, these days, it's just the same questions over and over again. If something new does pop up, it gets buried under the mountain. Sometimes I see the same question posted by 3 or 4 people at the same time.
Most people answer newb questions with what they read somewhere else.
I don't think this thread will be any different than this one or have any more impact than this.
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tbagtag
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18799884 - 09/04/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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prismism said: That was some hippy bullshit right there. Everybody knows that mush cult's only purposes are for showing off big mushroom grows and arguing over insignificant miniscule personal grow preferences. Newbs are just fodder. The only reason people help them is to try and prove that they're smart and further pad their egos. Showing off to obtain that "Trusted Cultivator" jpeg.
I believe there was a time when new ideas were developed here. Mostly though, these days, it's just the same questions over and over again. If something new does pop up, it gets buried under the mountain. Sometimes I see the same question posted by 3 or 4 people at the same time.
Most people answer newb questions with what they read somewhere else.
I don't think this thread will be any different than this one or have any more impact than this.
Which is fine, if it goes no where it goes no where and was a waste of server space. But to just write off anyone who is new or wants to assist others is bullshit, why even frequent the board if all you're going to do is flame? (thats not directed at you Spit)
I know there was a push a year ago to help clean up the board, and I agree fuck the ones that have temper tantrums when you offer help. But as I said before the search engine is fucked, try searching for something basic.
I'm not discouraging people from reading and doing research, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with someone seeking additional clarification.
Also, thats what makes it a community and a learning resource, by answering questions that we read the answer to elsewhere, whether its on this board or a scientific journal. I stay the fuck out of anything I don't know, I read and if its something I might explore later I bookmark it since I have nothing to contribute to those conversations. I don't expect others to have the same ideals as me, but at the end of the day why would anyone want to discourage growth of a hobby or a site that vendors rely on traffic from? Let's not forget supporter accounts that help keep the site alive.
I'm not say or assuming this site is going to disappear, but you have to take a step back and look at how we treat all new members, not just the idiots.
And I am not comparing myself to him, but I am sure RR made lets grow mushrooms for the uber pros amirite??????
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18800307 - 09/04/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The way I see it, this is a forum for discussion. People all too often mix up teks because they did too much reading without soaking much in. Plus, I'm sure a lot of people would just like to discuss what exactly it is they are doing. Maybe they're doing something wrong that they're not aware of.
I understand the frustration with the people who have been members for a long time and have to answer the same question over and over again. But you have to remember what you can do stoned, broke & blindfolded, they can't do sober with an unlimited budget.
I learned PF Tek by reading this site years ago. I have never had a problem finding ANY answer I've needed by using the search function. But noobs may not know specific words, terminology, etc. And some people don't know how to work these fancy internet computers.
Just give the noobs a break. We were all there once.
I approve of any general FAQ. Just my 2 cents on the issue.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: The Psyentist]
#18800457 - 09/04/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used to get agitated, but I learned to ignore.
But over the years, this sight has gotten so bloated with the same posts.
We've already bloated this thread and ain't nobody said shit. It's still the same "help vs don't help" debate and "what about the poor noobs?" This ain't even the first time this has all been debated, not even by me.
Yeah OP, we hijacked your shit. Welcome to the Shroomery. 
Your heart's in the right place though. I'd give you 5 shrooms if I still participated in that ego trip
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18800484 - 09/04/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It just comes with the territory - the internet brings together all different people, from all walks of life....
That's just the beauty (or frustration) of the internet.
Some people will read, absorb and excel at mushroom cultivation; while dozens of others with post the same questions, to which the answers are easily accessible; fail and disappear, never to be seen nor heard from again....
Just the way things are I guess..
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
#18800498 - 09/04/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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prismism said: Why do you care so much about new growers? Fuck 'em. Let them figure it out on their own. Every couple of months some newb will create a thread like this talking about ways to help other newbs who ask the same questions over and over. It will never end. If you don't want to deal with it, then skip those threads, or go to a different forum.
I kind of agree with this. If you can't grow cubes you shouldn't grow cubes. It's almost hard not to get these things to fruit using horrible procedures and outright wrong technique. Then again information is always good so I applaud the effort hopefully it contributes to one less thread about something stupid.
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tbagtag
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18800501 - 09/04/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: I used to get agitated, but I learned to ignore.
But over the years, this sight has gotten so bloated with the same posts.
We've already bloated this thread and ain't nobody said shit. It's still the same "help vs don't help" debate and "what about the poor noobs?" This ain't even the first time this has all been debated, not even by me.
Yeah OP, we hijacked your shit. Welcome to the Shroomery. 
Your heart's in the right place though. I'd give you 5 shrooms if I still participated in that ego trip
I only registered a few months after you Spitball.... I dunno why everyone thinks I'm so new - I just became more vocal. I was already PF teking for a year before joining and started posting b/c I got tired of getting bad info from the searches. I took my newbie knocks - ask NaH, he reamed me good a few times.
Don't worry about the hijack - I've done my fair share of it on here as well. This was more a discussion than anything else.
I was trying to find something positive that came out of this thread, but unfortunately there really isn't anything. This goes to show why we cant have nice things around here....
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18800514 - 09/04/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: I was trying to find something positive that came out of this thread, but unfortunately there really isn't anything. This goes to show why we cant have nice things around here....
Sure we can! Screw what the pessimists are saying!
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18800543 - 09/04/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There have to be new threads, even if they are rehashed. If every question is answered, no one would ever "need" to post, and then the community dies.
To socialize a bit, sure, some people create threads to ask a question that has been answered before.
Some people are just generally lazy, some want to feel helpful, some want to feed an ego.
But, I believe community and the social aspect of a forum would die off if no new threads were created because everyone "UTFSE".
So, it is what it is I guess. The circle of life. Noobs, those in the helpful stage, and those in the grumpy old man stage
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18800563 - 09/04/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Welcome to the Shroomery. 
I only registered a few months after you Spitball.... I dunno why everyone thinks I'm so new
I know you're not new. I was being playful
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18800587 - 09/04/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So many bitter people. I say if you so disgusted with this website then don't use it. Personally I love talking about mushroom cultivation. Whether it's answering some noobs dumb question or discussing advanced or experimental techniques. I thought that was the whole point of the cultivation forum. Some people on this site make me
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Pestile]
#18800596 - 09/04/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: I was trying to find something positive that came out of this thread, but unfortunately there really isn't anything. This goes to show why we cant have nice things around here....
Sure we can! Screw what the pessimists are saying!
Lol right? I'll probably asked to have this thread locked or deleted and put together something else that will accomplish the same goal whether it is in journal form or a post. If anyone is interested they can PM.
And as I always said before, if you dont like what I have to say you can always choose to ignore or put me on ignore. I don't get worked up over message boards, I am very dry and sarcastic so it gets taken out of context A LOT. Shit I totally derailed a thread 3 days ago, it happens.
At least the irony in the thread is delicious.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18800645 - 09/04/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very much so.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: anne halonium]
#18800939 - 09/04/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: alot of it comes down to , peeps dont read. peeps want instant answers,
That's something even I can agree with, anne. I knew I'd find something! And sadly, it seems to get worse each year.
The typical post goes something like: "I know this has probably been asked a hundred times before, but I want to hear some other/fresh/new opinions on it." 
I equate that to "I didn't feel like reading through all those other posts with the same question, so I worded my question in a way that would make me not seem lazy"
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FooMan]
#18801251 - 09/04/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: alot of it comes down to , peeps dont read. peeps want instant answers,
That's something even I can agree with, anne. I knew I'd find something! And sadly, it seems to get worse each year.
The typical post goes something like: "I know this has probably been asked a hundred times before, but I want to hear some other/fresh/new opinions on it." 
I equate that to "I didn't feel like reading through all those other posts with the same question, so I worded my question in a way that would make me not seem lazy"
I agree with this to some effect, but there are legitimate times where the search engine returns very outdated info, then the new poster thinks its gospel and gets flamed. It's a catch 22 with good intentions.
Usually in those instances you describe Foo, I give an answer if I can and if they keep going for a different answer fishing for what they want to hear I leave it be.
I'll just bite off of NaH and make a copy pasta journal and stamp my answers. I really enjoy the community discussion that has been occurring in my other thread, not every idea is golden, just thought it would be a good resource to ensure fresh info.
I just hope I dont get jaded to point where I have to flame others for being new (not yours or annes case there Foo). I think if that time comes for me I'll just take a break from the board and enjoy my fungi.
Didn't really mean to make this a discussion of help the newbies/don't help the newbies, but it is what it is.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18801712 - 09/05/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like the sound of a FAQ!
Edited by invitro (09/05/13 06:32 PM)
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801717 - 09/05/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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And I don't suppose you know of a plugin to this forum structure that accomplishes this? =P
I don't see how it would work anyway. As far as I can see the actual test would either have to be an automated multiple choice / standardized questions test (in which case the solutions would be out in a nanosecond; this is the internet after all) or alternatively would require personal attention from some dedicated moderator.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801719 - 09/05/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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invitro said: Here is an idea that can satisfy both groups.

Congrats, you have made the shroomery cater to the elitist prick that is most useless when it comes to helping cultivators.
Hey tbag, this thread is fucking nuts.
This is what inevitably happens to this sort of inquiry.
I'd recommend making a journal entry that only you can reply to. That is the best "noob-friendly" advice post you can make...no one can talk shit about it.
Edited by FrankHorrigan (09/05/13 01:01 AM)
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18801735 - 09/05/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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invitro said: Here is an idea that can satisfy both groups.

Congrats, you have made the shroomery cater to the elitist prick that is most useless when it comes to helping cultivators.
Hey tbag, this thread is fucking nuts.
This is what inevitably happens to this sort of inquiry.
I'd recommend making a journal entry that only you can reply to. That is the best "noob-friendly" advice post you can make...no one can talk shit about it.
This is a great thread, there are already people who don't want to help, my idea makes it so those people don't have to see the nub questions they don't want to see in the first place.
I'm trying to help, tbag is too, 5 shrooms for you tbag!
Not having a faq and leaving everything in a scattered mess that takes weeks to search through is what is nuts!
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro] 1
#18801738 - 09/05/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your idea flies in the face of the very idea of this place...
"Everyone can teach someone something."
Is that not how we all get our start?
What you suggest makes it easy to ignore questions people may consider "dumb" or not "worthwhile."
Which will alienate the very base on which the shroomery truly thrives...the newbie who wants to come here and learn from old and new cultivators alike.
Think about when you were new. Would you be pleased to know that everyone had the option to ignore everything you say just because you can't answer a stupid "standardized" test?
Give me a break man 
Personally I would've been pissed. Cultivation-related communities like this one should never shun new members, actively or passively.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18801743 - 09/05/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had enough.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18801744 - 09/05/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I disagree for the reasons I stated 
How "you want to interact with it" is taken care of by the handy ignore feature provided.
You feel differently. Well...
My statement stands regardless. This is how I feel about what you said:
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FrankHorrigan said: Your idea flies in the face of the very idea of this place...
"Everyone can teach someone something."
Is that not how we all get our start?
What you suggest makes it easy to ignore questions people may consider "dumb" or not "worthwhile."
Which will alienate the very base on which the shroomery truly thrives...the newbie who wants to come here and learn from old and new cultivators alike.
Think about when you were new. Would you be pleased to know that everyone had the option to ignore everything you say just because you can't answer a stupid "standardized" test?
Give me a break man 
Personally I would've been pissed. Cultivation-related communities like this one should never shun new members, actively or passively.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801746 - 09/05/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Again; how would this be implemented? Whether or not it is a good idea is kind of inconsequential if it has no means to operate in the first place, isn't it?
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801759 - 09/05/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because my opinion is that your "testing" option discriminates against new users and that sucks for the very core of this website. I repeated it because I don't think you understand what I am saying.
Just because you don't "feel like" seeing "dumb questions" from new members does not mean that you don't have a worthwhile answer to give them.
I help a shitload of new cultivators despite the fact that I don't particularly feel like it...ever see a silly question you're inspired to respond to? Ever get thanked for it?
That's what makes this place awesome
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801760 - 09/05/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, if I am understanding you correctly, you don't know the forum-structure or how to implement this? I mean, have you at least seen similar systems on other forums? Because it's usually not a matter of just "quickly coding in an extra function"...
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18801762 - 09/05/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kjetterfaen said: So, if I am understanding you correctly, you don't know the forum-structure or how to implement this? I mean, have you at least seen similar systems on other forums? Because it's usually not a matter of just "quickly coding in an extra function"...

That too..
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18801763 - 09/05/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have experience with programming, it seems pretty simple to me.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801764 - 09/05/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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invitro said: I have experience with programming, it seems pretty simple to me.
You should go suggest it to the website feedback forum. That way they too can tell you it's a silly idea
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801767 - 09/05/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suggest you should offer your services when you make your suggestion to the moderators then... That would mean it gets judged on its own merit, and not based on the staffs availability.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801791 - 09/05/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Frank can neither implement nor hinder the implementation of your suggested system, so why argue with him?
This is where you should take it if you are serious.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801797 - 09/05/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey invitro, I filter people out all the time.
Everyone can do the same.
No need to subject new members to some pointless "test."
That is discriminatory and stupid.
This is my point.
If you don't want to help, don't.
I'm not "twisting their arm" into helping.
I'm explaining how this policy you sugesst, it would drive away new members.
So basically, the argument that "I am trying to force everyone to help" is complete garbage 
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Kjetterfaen said: Frank can neither implement nor hinder the implementation of your suggested system, so why argue with him?
This is where you should take it if you are serious.
He's not, he is just looking for affirmation of his silly idea
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18801802 - 09/05/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Frank can neither implement nor hinder the implementation of your suggested system, so why argue with him?
Because I like to help people, I'm trying to help him understand that the shroomery is extremely disorganized, hard to research on, and just flooded with nub posts and myco porn that hinder progress of research. Plus there are just way too many pissy people who like to say "use the (hopelessly disorganized and clogged up) search engine" who are discouraging mostly and not helpful.
Edited by invitro (09/05/13 02:20 AM)
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801806 - 09/05/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with noob questions. Lots of noobs ask questions and research while they wait on current feedback from the community they're in. I'm one of em, and two tears in a bucket if anyone doesn't like it. I came here to learn and if I'm not satisfied with what I can find via the search function, you're damn straight I'm gonna ask people for feedback. It's not always bad to have old info rehashed. There's lots of conflicting information and sometimes it's hard to form a course of action based on opinions and information presented in the past.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801809 - 09/05/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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invitro said:
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Kjetterfaen said: Frank can neither implement nor hinder the implementation of your suggested system, so why argue with him?
because I like to help people, I'm trying to help him understand that the shroomery is extremely disorganized, hard to research on, and just flooded with nub posts and myco porn that hinder progress of research. Plus there are just way too many pissy people who like to say "use the (hopelessly disorganized and clogged up) search engine" who are discouraging mostly and not helpful.
Fixed it for you... =) You sure you know programming?
But yeah, I don't think Frank is opposed to any of the points you just mentioned, just the actual system you suggest. I can't speak for him though, but that is my impression. Again, if you seriously think your system would achieve the goals you want then suggest it directly to the mods and let them consider it.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18801810 - 09/05/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: Hey invitro, I filter people out all the time.
Everyone can do the same.
No need to subject new members to some pointless "test."
That is discriminatory and stupid.
This is my point.
If you don't want to help, don't.
I'm not "twisting their arm" into helping.
I'm explaining how this policy you sugesst, it would drive away new members.
So basically, the argument that "I am trying to force everyone to help" is complete garbage 
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Kjetterfaen said: Frank can neither implement nor hinder the implementation of your suggested system, so why argue with him?
This is where you should take it if you are serious.
He's not, he is just looking for affirmation of his silly idea 
You don't understand what I'm saying, I never said new members had to take a test, new members are automatically beginners. I think this was the whole basis of your disagreeing with me.
Edited by invitro (09/05/13 02:03 AM)
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: LTSwoomz]
#18801814 - 09/05/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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LTSwoomz said: Nothing wrong with noob questions. Lots of noobs ask questions and research while they wait on current feedback from the community they're in. I'm one of em, and two tears in a bucket if anyone doesn't like it. I came here to learn and if I'm not satisfied with what I can find via the search function, you're damn straight I'm gonna ask people for feedback. It's not always bad to have old info rehashed. There's lots of conflicting information and sometimes it's hard to form a course of action based on opinions and information presented in the past.
Did you even read my idea? Based on your response you didn't.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801819 - 09/05/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You misunderstand me.
Discriminating against beginners in any way sucks.
Putting them into a "class system" of sorts is just silly...and discriminatory.
Not every new member is a "beginner" and not every new member should be written off because they are new.
As kjetter said, post this in the website feedback forum if you are serious.
I think it's absurd
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18801824 - 09/05/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: You misunderstand me.
Discriminating against beginners in any way sucks.
Putting them into a "class system" of sorts is just silly...and discriminatory.
Not every new member is a "beginner" and not every new member should be written off because they are new.
As kjetter said, post this in the website feedback forum if you are serious.
I think it's absurd 
My point about streamlining the search function for research is perfectly valid and you refusing to see that point makes your argument seem lopsided and makes you look a bit silly.
Discrimination is another word for filtering, there are times when filtering helps, giving people freedom is what made the US great, and helping nubs is what makes this board great. You are being unbelievably silly!
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801828 - 09/05/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let it rest or post it where it belongs please. Or at the very least make a new thread so that the title matches the content, and then maybe you can get the input of someone else then me and Frank.. Cause at this point it seems to be about getting him to agree with you, and that isn't going to happen, nor does it matter to anyone but you...
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: LTSwoomz]
#18801835 - 09/05/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like the idea of a more consolidated FAQ. I had to do quite a bit of searching when I first started. Hunting down the correct methods for different techs. Cross-referencing to ensure my information was neither backwards or outdated. It was well worth the effort and saved me lots of pain that many inflict on themselves.
I think your efforts would help quite a few folks tbagtag or at least save them some time.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18801839 - 09/05/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kjetterfaen said: at this point it seems to be about getting him to agree with you, and that isn't going to happen, nor does it matter to anyone but you...

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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18801888 - 09/05/13 02:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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invitro said:
Did you even read my idea? Based on your response you didn't.
I was weighing in on the whole thing in general, I suppose the timing of my post seemed to direct it towards you. I did read your post. My opinion is mostly in line with Franks. There's no justifiable basis to forcibly brand new members as new, it would just create enmity and provide a source of fire for trolling and flaming.
If I were to entertain the idea of a system of that nature... Perhaps offer members an opt-in Newbie status that would modify their web feature experience here. Auto-filtered search results to benefit brand new cultivators, pointers in the right direction based on their posts (sort of already implemented), searches automatically bring up entries from the Mushroom Info database, etc. I think the developers of the Shroomery would need some serious incentive to implement any sort of system similar that would be both robust and helpful without seeming clonky, regardless.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: LTSwoomz]
#18801901 - 09/05/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also Invitro I see something interesting in your idea of a test. A tool developed to help noobs figure out with confidence whether or not they understand the principles required to move forward with their intended project. Obviously the scope of such a test would have to be rudimentary less it get too convoluted with if's, and's, or but's. Simple things all growers need to understand, however, could probably make it on this list assuming the proprietor's of the site were willing to subscribe to a particular set of data and be comfortable putting it forth as the "right" answer.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: LTSwoomz]
#18801922 - 09/05/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well we already have a class system, "trusted cultivator". But it's only given out at random to people who get noticed and the mods admit that many who deserve one don't have one.
It helps to know who knows their stuff when considering their response. The idea I proposed just builds on that to make filtering and searching something that can make everyone's life easier. I'll try to make this my last post about the "class system" thing.
I think the idea of a test, if just for the sake of helping people learn the basics, would be a good one. Sometimes it helps when learning ideas to have tests or "flashcards" that make you try to remember the answer instead of just passively reading everything.
To quote Frank "You misunderstand me. Discriminating against beginners in any way sucks. Putting them into a "class system" of sorts is just silly...and discriminatory. "
So your saying you object to the TC tag you have? Maybe the mods can help you remove it.
Edited by invitro (09/05/13 03:11 AM)
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
#18802112 - 09/05/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think what Tbag wants to do is a great idea.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Sockadin]
#18802281 - 09/05/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why does all the good shit happen when I'm asleep?
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro] 1
#18802446 - 09/05/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe we could have a rating system based on user feedback or something.
Perhaps, as individuals, we could give users a score like 1-5 shrooms or something and then people can kinda tell if the person is knowledgeable or not.
It would be cool if we could post comments along with those ratings so others can see how they were helpful.
Just a thought.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18802904 - 09/05/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Maybe we could have a rating system based on user feedback or something.
Perhaps, as individuals, we could give users a score like 1-5 shrooms or something and then people can kinda tell if the person is knowledgeable or not.
It would be cool if we could post comments along with those ratings so others can see how they were helpful.
Just a thought.

Sorry invitro, your argument sucks ass from my point of view, no way around it.
Also, TC tags are not condescending like an "ignore-the-noobs" button or some "test." Unlike your idea, the TC tag helps people sort through bullshit without making new members feel like idiots.

I have nothing further to say to you on this matter.
Edited by FrankHorrigan (09/05/13 01:17 PM)
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18802931 - 09/05/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We have a getting started FORUM for beginner questions and answers that was implemented months ago.
Wasn't that the point to get people correct current information, and tips on how to effectively use the site.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: JohnnieYen]
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JohnnieYen said: We have a getting started FORUM for beginner questions and answers that was implemented months ago.
Wasn't that the point to get people correct current information, and tips on how to effectively use the site.
Yes, but its pretty much questions on how to use the site. Which I find ironic if they don't know how to use the board in the first place.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
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FrankHorrigan said:
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SpitballJedi said: Maybe we could have a rating system based on user feedback or something.
Perhaps, as individuals, we could give users a score like 1-5 shrooms or something and then people can kinda tell if the person is knowledgeable or not.
It would be cool if we could post comments along with those ratings so others can see how they were helpful.
Just a thought.

Sorry invitro, your argument sucks ass from my point of view, no way around it.
Also, TC tags are not condescending like an "ignore-the-noobs" button or some "test." Unlike your idea, the TC tag helps people sort through bullshit without making new members feel like idiots.

I have nothing further to say to you on this matter.
I'm pretty astonished that people can't see what I'm saying but that's ok. I don't think that using derogitory face palms and other emoticons are appropriate, I'm entitled to my opinion if you don't like it fine but the insulting condescending stuff you could do without.
I would implement a test for new memebers, a test to see if they have basic respect for others, a test many would fail on this board.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18803465 - 09/05/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We can agree to disagree.
Sorry that you can't handle the graems (emotes), I will bear this in mind in the future.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan] 2
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I understand that we on the Shroomery are trying to let "this" post die...so I hope you will not slam me too bad for responding. I feel the need. Thank you.
I read this post early today and thought on it all day! I've decided I need to at the least provide my opinion on the conversation. That is what a forum is for...opinions, discussion, asking, sharing, etc. So, if it gets me a bunch of flack back, or for some strange reason blocked/ignored by some....that's ok...I got my big girl panties on and can take it!
I do agree with tbags OP about a FAQ. It would be awesome! Yes, there is a ridiculous amount of information available all over this site..very convoluted! If you have the intelligence and patience you can and should use the search function to gather the most information possible before asking anything and shame on those that don't. However, the problem with that is that you guys have been here so long and answered the same questions so many times, that if a newbie, such as myself, can put in a simple question...like "blue on my cakes" and get 55 responses! You get every answer possible from too much misting, to too little, to too much FAE, to too little, to too much handling, to well maybe it's a contam...the list is endless. What this causes from a "newbie" perspective is we think "well...maybe my situation is different from those (because we ARE basically clueless), let me ask it "again" and provide a picture and see what the overall response it. We are hoping and praying to at the very least narrow down what our issue might be. So, we do keep asking the same questions. So, while I stick by my original comment that I agree a FAQ would be awesome. It would only work if you had one or two answers that would fit every person asking it...and I don't think from my limited time on here that is the case. So, I think it might would give us newbies a place to start...but it would not stop the redundancy of the same questions for you experienced growers. Sorry about that from a newb perspective.
In regards to the "labeling" and "testing" of newbies. OMG..seriously! How demeaning can you try to be to me? How many ways can you try to make me feel unwelcome? How many ways can you try to make me feel like if I ask anything I will come off as an idiot just because I don't have YOUR level of experience? Many may disagree, but in most forums the newbies contribute at least to 50% of what keeps it going..what fuels the conversation! Otherwise, you guys are just bickering back and forth on who's process/tek is the best. We ask a question and it prompts all of you to provide your insight. We then take all those responses, assimilate them, decide what can work for us and run with it...or...ask follow up questions. Either way...we give you a reason to post...to share, to argue with each other...however you look at it.
Do you really think that any intelligent newbie would take a test to be "worthy" of your reply?
I just decided to try growing shrooms this year. I read on many sites, etc...and then WALLA....I came upon the Shroomery.org. I joined and started reading the forum...fell in love immediately..haha. What I liked and the reason I stayed was because of how much help I saw those who were "obviously" more experienced give so readily and so friendly to new folks like me! I can't thank enough some of those who responded to my first postings..such as B_Boy, Notahacker, tbag, psillyshroomer...not to dismiss others. But, I would NOT have stayed if it wasn't for the friendly, inviting, sharing of experience and knowledge that was provided to me. I would have probably just given up even trying to grow the wonderful things we all enjoy!
So, yes, I may only have 6 months limited experience, 40 postings compared to your 400 or 4,000 or 40,000...but I'm happy to be here and appreciate the fuck out of how the majority of the people on this forum conduct themselves. I'm going to keep asking questions that I can't find a concise answer too and try hard as hell to be a part of all of this and become a family with you guys! If you wanna label me, ignore me...test me...etc...go ahead...I will be gone and so will a lot of other noobs! And, where is this forum really without noobs?
MsAngelique (noob...48 posts total and counting) ..and off the soap box!
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
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SpitballJedi said: I used to get agitated, but I learned to ignore.
But over the years, this sight has gotten so bloated with the same posts.
We've already bloated this thread and ain't nobody said shit. It's still the same "help vs don't help" debate and "what about the poor noobs?" This ain't even the first time this has all been debated, not even by me.
Yeah OP, we hijacked your shit. Welcome to the Shroomery. 
Your heart's in the right place though. I'd give you 5 shrooms if I still participated in that ego trip
Tbag I think its a great idea, I have been growing for years and I always comeback for a refresher. I have seen teks that come and go, but the constant measure of yournsucess was never tek dependant. The same questions always arise, "why do my mushies look bad." I don't have a ton of posts on this account but I do know that notmevery noob is hopeless. Keep up the good work!
I only registered a few months after you Spitball.... I dunno why everyone thinks I'm so new - I just became more vocal. I was already PF teking for a year before joining and started posting b/c I got tired of getting bad info from the searches. I took my newbie knocks - ask NaH, he reamed me good a few times.
Don't worry about the hijack - I've done my fair share of it on here as well. This was more a discussion than anything else.
I was trying to find something positive that came out of this thread, but unfortunately there really isn't anything. This goes to show why we cant have nice things around here....
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: MsAngelique]
#18804525 - 09/05/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very well said Ang! Thank you for taking the time to type that. I feel the same way. The whole point of a forum is for questions and discussion! If all anyone did was use the search function this would become a dead forum. You can't ask a question that hasn't already been asked so I say ask away! I love discussing all aspects of mushroom cultivation. That is the best way to learn new ideas
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
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psillyshroomer said: Very well said Ang! Thank you for taking the time to type that. I feel the same way. The whole point of a forum is for questions and discussion! If all anyone did was use the search function this would become a dead forum. You can't ask a question that hasn't already been asked so I say ask away! I love discussing all aspects of mushroom cultivation. That is the best way to learn new ideas
On the one hand I like the idea of a comprehensive faq where I can get all the answers quickly, there is definitely a need for that. On the other hand, the new grower questions provide a context for discussion, humor and comaraderie which is valuable as well.
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How demeaning can you try to be to me? How many ways can you try to make me feel unwelcome? How many ways can you try to make me feel like if I ask anything I will come off as an idiot just because I don't have YOUR level of experience?
My intent in posting the idea was to help make the forums a better place. I can understand your viewpoint, but when you say 'you try' 'you try' 'you try', you are clearly stating that my intentions were harmful or evil.
I once knew a boy when I was younger and I wanted to show him a book that I thought was very interesting. It had very small print and he needed glasses to read. He exclaimed, to my surprise, that I had offered the book to him in order that it would hurt his eyes. Trying to help someone see something new and then having that person turn around and say you are trying to hurt them is not a lot of fun. Do you think I would show him a new book in the future? Not likely.
I thought it would help make things run more smoothly for everyone, but I have since deleted the post, forget I said it.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
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I typically hang out in the Contam forum, (attempting) to help out everyone who posts over there who either hasn't gotten an answer or needs clarification. I can't really tell you what's right, but I have learned what's wrong.
I fully support the idea of an FAQ style thread that has good data compiled into one area. There's been a few times I've searched through the SE just to find some info for people over in the Contamination forum, but there's quite a few times I have to go digging through 20-30 threads to find the info I'm looking for. Let's face it, how many newer members are really going to dig that far for their answer?
Edit: That's just to figure out if their growth is contams or not. It's far easier to see if you did it wrong, then explain where you went wrong.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: invitro]
#18805528 - 09/05/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Very well said Ang! Thank you for taking the time to type that. I feel the same way. The whole point of a forum is for questions and discussion! If all anyone did was use the search function this would become a dead forum. You can't ask a question that hasn't already been asked so I say ask away! I love discussing all aspects of mushroom cultivation. That is the best way to learn new ideas
On the one hand I like the idea of a comprehensive faq where I can get all the answers quickly, there is definitely a need for that. On the other hand, the new grower questions provide a context for discussion, humor and comaraderie which is valuable as well.
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How demeaning can you try to be to me? How many ways can you try to make me feel unwelcome? How many ways can you try to make me feel like if I ask anything I will come off as an idiot just because I don't have YOUR level of experience?
My intent in posting the idea was to help make the forums a better place. I can understand your viewpoint, but when you say 'you try' 'you try' 'you try', you are clearly stating that my intentions were harmful or evil.
I once knew a boy when I was younger and I wanted to show him a book that I thought was very interesting. It had very small print and he needed glasses to read. He exclaimed, to my surprise, that I had offered the book to him in order that it would hurt his eyes. Trying to help someone see something new and then having that person turn around and say you are trying to hurt them is not a lot of fun. Do you think I would show him a new book in the future? Not likely.
I thought it would help make things run more smoothly for everyone, but I have since deleted the post, forget I said it.
I can understand both sides of what you proposed and what the feedback was. It's a touchy subject as people put their hard earned money into the hobby and can take the work very personal. I have no stance on whether its a good idea or not.
What I really think that was missed in the back and forth with you and Frank was that you were both essentially wanting/willing to help;albeit in different ways.
I liked that you expressed your idea, a forum is a great place for a sounding board for ideas - regardless of outcome. Even though the feedback may not have been the most warming of feelings it accomplished something good.
It shows that there are still many people here willing to help, pinpoints the ones that could give a shit and was given perspective on the situation by those learning the hobby.
I was going to ask for this thread to be deleted, but instead I am going to change the main title so others don't come here thinking they are going to receive the help they are looking for. But I think this thread serves a good purpose to maybe help them understand the personalities and ideals of some of our long term members - whether good or bad.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18805815 - 09/05/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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On the other hand, the new grower questions provide a context for discussion, humor and comaraderie which is valuable as well.
Amen! Exactly what I would have said if I was better with my words! This my friends is what is important! This is what we must remember. We are all here because of our common interest and love of fungus cultivation. This is our community and it is what we make of it! So I say lets be the coolest most inviting forum on the internet!
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18805830 - 09/05/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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On the other hand, the new grower questions provide a context for discussion, humor and comaraderie which is valuable as well.
Amen! Exactly what I would have said if I was better with my words! This my friends is what is important! This is what we must remember. We are all here because of our common interest and love of fungus cultivation. This is our community and it is what we make of it! So I say lets be the coolest most inviting forum on the internet! 
Exactly, I frequent PC message boards I get out my elitism there. Although I have to eat some crow there was a newbie earlier I wasn't so nice to. But that fell under the category of "I dont want to read feed me answers" and then when he got the answers it was "Well why cant I just do this"......
But with that said 95% of the newbies are ok with me - until you delete your question after you get your answer, you use SWIM, or you ask for help and go nuclear because we didnt give you a reach around about a shit set up.
Psilly, even though you wont let me kidnap your dog you're still my friend.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18805873 - 09/06/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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the problem with new growers is that they dont want to read all the pages in the threads. so maybe if you just edited the original post and put all the new questions in the OP then made an index that would help with lazy people.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18805894 - 09/06/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: Why does all the good shit happen when I'm asleep?
It's odd... Only this hippie huggie-kissie stuff seems to go on when I sleep. =(
Why aren't you guys tearing out each others throats damnit? Who do I need to tie the raw meat to..? Could you go back to bed Tbag?
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18805924 - 09/06/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just make a puppet account and talk shit to me like a fucking troll.
Bound to get my heart a-beatin'
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18805934 - 09/06/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We can talk all kinds of shit to frank right now. He doesn't have his stick
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18805938 - 09/06/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If the shroomery interface was redesigned a bit for the noobs, then the noobs can be redirected easier to get they're answers faster. Then the cultivation forum will probably have less of the most basic questions.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18805942 - 09/06/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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But I have the flashlight...to light the way for new members...
"a lanterna"
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18805948 - 09/06/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now I'm sure there is some injoke I am missing here, but it's been annoying me for a while and this topic can hardly get MORE derailed: Surely Frank Horrigan is supposed to carry a hand-mounted plasma gun and a huge knife?
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18805958 - 09/06/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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On the other hand, the new grower questions provide a context for discussion, humor and comaraderie which is valuable as well.
Amen! Exactly what I would have said if I was better with my words! This my friends is what is important! This is what we must remember. We are all here because of our common interest and love of fungus cultivation. This is our community and it is what we make of it! So I say lets be the coolest most inviting forum on the internet! 
Exactly, I frequent PC message boards I get out my elitism there. Although I have to eat some crow there was a newbie earlier I wasn't so nice to. But that fell under the category of "I dont want to read feed me answers" and then when he got the answers it was "Well why cant I just do this"......
But with that said 95% of the newbies are ok with me - until you delete your question after you get your answer, you use SWIM, or you ask for help and go nuclear because we didnt give you a reach around about a shit set up.
Psilly, even though you wont let me kidnap your dog you're still my friend.
Got my little jake a girlfriend today. She is only 6 weeks old. Ain't she precious!
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18805962 - 09/06/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: But I have the flashlight...to light the way for new members...
"a lanterna" 
Ah so that is what that is huh! Lol
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18805965 - 09/06/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Got my little jake a girlfriend today. She is only 6 weeks old. Ain't she precious!

OH MY GOD so adorable...

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FrankHorrigan said: But I have the flashlight...to light the way for new members...
"a lanterna" 
Ah so that is what that is huh! Lol
It's Portuguese for the flashlight.
From a really inspiring guitarist, Henry Frayne...his side project Lanterna is truly an experience in atmosphere.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18805974 - 09/06/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool I'll check it out
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18805979 - 09/06/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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IMO, B minor is the best example of his better pieces.
Not sure what is up with the weird video of the dog.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18806001 - 09/06/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the link
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: MsAngelique]
#18806021 - 09/06/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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MsAngelique said: I understand that we on the Shroomery are trying to let "this" post die...so I hope you will not slam me too bad for responding. I feel the need. Thank you.
I read this post early today and thought on it all day! I've decided I need to at the least provide my opinion on the conversation. That is what a forum is for...opinions, discussion, asking, sharing, etc. So, if it gets me a bunch of flack back, or for some strange reason blocked/ignored by some....that's ok...I got my big girl panties on and can take it!
I do agree with tbags OP about a FAQ. It would be awesome! Yes, there is a ridiculous amount of information available all over this site..very convoluted! If you have the intelligence and patience you can and should use the search function to gather the most information possible before asking anything and shame on those that don't. However, the problem with that is that you guys have been here so long and answered the same questions so many times, that if a newbie, such as myself, can put in a simple question...like "blue on my cakes" and get 55 responses! You get every answer possible from too much misting, to too little, to too much FAE, to too little, to too much handling, to well maybe it's a contam...the list is endless. What this causes from a "newbie" perspective is we think "well...maybe my situation is different from those (because we ARE basically clueless), let me ask it "again" and provide a picture and see what the overall response it. We are hoping and praying to at the very least narrow down what our issue might be. So, we do keep asking the same questions. So, while I stick by my original comment that I agree a FAQ would be awesome. It would only work if you had one or two answers that would fit every person asking it...and I don't think from my limited time on here that is the case. So, I think it might would give us newbies a place to start...but it would not stop the redundancy of the same questions for you experienced growers. Sorry about that from a newb perspective.
In regards to the "labeling" and "testing" of newbies. OMG..seriously! How demeaning can you try to be to me? How many ways can you try to make me feel unwelcome? How many ways can you try to make me feel like if I ask anything I will come off as an idiot just because I don't have YOUR level of experience? Many may disagree, but in most forums the newbies contribute at least to 50% of what keeps it going..what fuels the conversation! Otherwise, you guys are just bickering back and forth on who's process/tek is the best. We ask a question and it prompts all of you to provide your insight. We then take all those responses, assimilate them, decide what can work for us and run with it...or...ask follow up questions. Either way...we give you a reason to post...to share, to argue with each other...however you look at it.
Do you really think that any intelligent newbie would take a test to be "worthy" of your reply?
I just decided to try growing shrooms this year. I read on many sites, etc...and then WALLA....I came upon the Shroomery.org. I joined and started reading the forum...fell in love immediately..haha. What I liked and the reason I stayed was because of how much help I saw those who were "obviously" more experienced give so readily and so friendly to new folks like me! I can't thank enough some of those who responded to my first postings..such as B_Boy, Notahacker, tbag, psillyshroomer...not to dismiss others. But, I would NOT have stayed if it wasn't for the friendly, inviting, sharing of experience and knowledge that was provided to me. I would have probably just given up even trying to grow the wonderful things we all enjoy!
So, yes, I may only have 6 months limited experience, 40 postings compared to your 400 or 4,000 or 40,000...but I'm happy to be here and appreciate the fuck out of how the majority of the people on this forum conduct themselves. I'm going to keep asking questions that I can't find a concise answer too and try hard as hell to be a part of all of this and become a family with you guys! If you wanna label me, ignore me...test me...etc...go ahead...I will be gone and so will a lot of other noobs! And, where is this forum really without noobs?
MsAngelique (noob...48 posts total and counting) ..and off the soap box!
I forgot to mention, you get 5 shrooms for this.
Thank you for posting.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18806481 - 09/06/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: Why does all the good shit happen when I'm asleep?
It's odd... Only this hippie huggie-kissie stuff seems to go on when I sleep. =(
Why aren't you guys tearing out each others throats damnit? Who do I need to tie the raw meat to..? Could you go back to bed Tbag?
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18806530 - 09/06/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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...has anyone gone back and reread this thread? I mean, it was hilarious before, but now it is just hilariously retconned.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18808627 - 09/06/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I really don't see how it can get any more noob friendly than the search feature.
If you don't want outdated info, then filter for time. I usually only go back 2 years. When the results come up, you can click on "posted" and it will reorder everything by date.
If you don't want to read mountains of shit, then check the "TC Only" box.
It's way easier than reading another one of these threads and you can filter through the shit.
I really don't understand why so many people feel the need to cater to the lowest common denominator, it just enables them and prevents them from learning how to learn.
If you don't have the skill or patience to UTSF, then you shouldn't be growing shrooms.
A better FAQ thread would be "How to Use The Search Feature"
-------------------- The Basics A little civility goes a long way The Noob Forum The Hammock Hangers' Forum
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
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That poor poor dead horse.....
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18809211 - 09/06/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: PussyFart]
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Love it! I have never seen this one
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18809306 - 09/06/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Only 4 more posts and this is a hot topic. I dont know how i feel about that...
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18809338 - 09/06/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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1000 views....not 100 posts.....i think....
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18809346 - 09/06/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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this thread got de raile real fast turned into one of those non new grower friendly threads haha
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: PussyFart]
#18809382 - 09/06/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: 1000 views....not 100 posts.....i think....
Well one more post till we find out...
Edit: I see no one wants to make that 100 post to find out...
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: PussyFart]
#18809423 - 09/06/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kinkaku said: i'll post
Thank you for proving hacker wrong!

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Notahacker420 said: 1000 views....not 100 posts.....i think....
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18809442 - 09/06/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: PussyFart]
#18809449 - 09/06/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: kinkaku]
#18809460 - 09/06/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why do I get so much pleasure out of seeing hacker proven wrong
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18809464 - 09/06/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I actually marked this day on my calendar. He used to prove me wrong soooooo much, if it wasnt for him I would still be fucking around with popcorn. He's a good shit.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18809465 - 09/06/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man, I remember the days when I had no idea how the forum worked...hacker.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18809469 - 09/06/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Why do I get so much pleasure out of seeing hacker proven wrong 
Cause he is a dick, but knows what he is talking about.
some times it takes tough love for someone to get the right info in their head
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18809492 - 09/06/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: Man, I remember the days when I had no idea how the forum worked...hacker.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18809510 - 09/06/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: I actually marked this day on my calendar. He used to prove me wrong soooooo much, if it wasnt for him I would still be fucking around with popcorn. He's a good shit.
I owe some of my success to the hack too so we better be nice huh
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18809523 - 09/06/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: Man, I remember the days when I had no idea how the forum worked...hacker.

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Blake_Shroom said:
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Cause he is a dick
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18809529 - 09/06/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey tbag I thought you were going to change the name of this thread? Something like the cultivation forum discussion.
Or maybe in honor of our great friend anne halonium mushroom cultivation forum in the new age
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18809570 - 09/06/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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when dealing with decissions its terrible to be hasty what if moderators force revisions the irony is rather tasty
but alas incorrect titles cause confusion at least we wont be treating this as an institution writing this has tested my constitution
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18809577 - 09/06/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: when dealing with decissions its terrible to be hasty what if moderators force revisions the irony is rather tasty
but alas incorrect titles cause confusion at least we wont be treating this as an institution writing this has tested my constitution
Oh lord!
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18809657 - 09/06/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: when dealing with decissions its terrible to be hasty what if moderators force revisions the irony is rather tasty
but alas incorrect titles cause confusion at least we wont be treating this as an institution writing this has tested my constitution

Nailed it
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18809795 - 09/06/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: when dealing with decissions its terrible to be hasty what if moderators force revisions the irony is rather tasty
but alas incorrect titles cause confusion at least we wont be treating this as an institution writing this has tested my constitution
Don't make me put a link to ignore you in my sig..I think we've all seen how successful that has been
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18809965 - 09/06/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn newbies...
Thank god none of us here in this thread were ever noobs, nor ever asked a question that could have been "searched". What an embarrassment they are.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: InTheBiggun]
#18810228 - 09/07/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've done several PF cube grows with no problem, but I'm having trouble getting panaeolus spores to germinate on regular brf + verm jars, which I plan on spawning to a manure substrate. I used the same methods with some cube jars that are all colonizing right now. So far, only two sites on the pan jars are visibly colonizing. It's been ten days. Has anyone encountered this same thing?
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: sukhavati12]
#18810309 - 09/07/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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sukhavati12 said: I've done several PF cube grows with no problem, but I'm having trouble getting panaeolus spores to germinate on regular brf + verm jars, which I plan on spawning to a manure substrate. I used the same methods with some cube jars that are all colonizing right now. So far, only two sites on the pan jars are visibly colonizing. It's been ten days. Has anyone encountered this same thing?
pans love manure so unless you add some manure you are going to continue to have trouble unless you do grains to a mono or a tray but then of course you need a PC.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: kinkaku]
#18810482 - 09/07/13 04:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kinkaku said:
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sukhavati12 said: I've done several PF cube grows with no problem, but I'm having trouble getting panaeolus spores to germinate on regular brf + verm jars, which I plan on spawning to a manure substrate. I used the same methods with some cube jars that are all colonizing right now. So far, only two sites on the pan jars are visibly colonizing. It's been ten days. Has anyone encountered this same thing?
pans love manure so unless you add some manure you are going to continue to have trouble unless you do grains to a mono or a tray but then of course you need a PC.
From all the other posts I've read, pans need manure to fruit, not to colonize
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: sukhavati12]
#18810486 - 09/07/13 04:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has only been 10 days. Patience my friend. The spores are probably still germinating
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: sukhavati12]
#18810789 - 09/07/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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tbagtag said: when dealing with decissions its terrible to be hasty what if moderators force revisions the irony is rather tasty
but alas incorrect titles cause confusion at least we wont be treating this as an institution writing this has tested my constitution

Nailed it 
I was close, not enough commas.
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FrankHorrigan said:
Don't make me put a link to ignore you in my sig..I think we've all seen how successful that has been 
Sorry Frank I couldn't resist. TBH I have nothing against Anne s/he has generally been nice to me.
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sukhavati12 said: I've done several PF cube grows with no problem, but I'm having trouble getting panaeolus spores to germinate on regular brf + verm jars, which I plan on spawning to a manure substrate. I used the same methods with some cube jars that are all colonizing right now. So far, only two sites on the pan jars are visibly colonizing. It's been ten days. Has anyone encountered this same thing?
How dare you hijack a thread and post a question when you have only 53 posts!!!!
This thread is now about Doritos Locos Tacos.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18810908 - 09/07/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I sincerely hope you didn't think I was being serious
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18810961 - 09/07/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you tried those freaking tacos! You know a stoner created those! Yummy! 
This thread will probably be moved to otd for sure now
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18810982 - 09/07/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh man, taco bell is my best friend...we may not see each other very often anymore, but it sure is hot and sexy when we do.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18811052 - 09/07/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: I sincerely hope you didn't think I was being serious 
Not in the slightest
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psillyshroomer said: Have you tried those freaking tacos! You know a stoner created those! Yummy! 
This thread will probably be moved to otd for sure now
They are delicious.
In all honesty, I've always wondered if I could use McDonald's buns as a substrate. It might not even need to be pasteurized due to the fact it can't grow mold.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18811587 - 09/07/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: In all honesty, I've always wondered if I could use McDonald's buns as a substrate. It might not even need to be pasteurized due to the fact it can't grow mold.
I don't even think their buns are real food....most likely just plastic, like their nuggets...
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: PussyFart]
#18811660 - 09/07/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I call fast food of this caliber "filler food" and I expect to feel undernourished 4 hours after I eat it. Undernourished as in, feeling like shit.
I steer clear from "filler food" nowadays, it can also be found in cheap items at grocery stores
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: PussyFart]
#18811803 - 09/07/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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tbagtag said: In all honesty, I've always wondered if I could use McDonald's buns as a substrate. It might not even need to be pasteurized due to the fact it can't grow mold.
I don't even think their buns are real food....most likely just plastic, like their nuggets...
I have been to "pick and pull" junk yards and my opinion on McDonalds "food" changed because of it. I have personally witnessed cars on blocks with missing windows etc, but somehow there is still a quarter pounder with cheeze still sitting on the seat. No rot, no bugs and no mice chew marks. There is certainly something unnatural about them. If rats won't eat it I certainly would not.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#18812115 - 09/07/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My cat takes bites from my mcdonalds hamburgers all the time. The other day, my girlfriend's dog ate all of my fries when I wasn't looking. Your rat point is moot.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: prismism]
#18812183 - 09/07/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My cat eats its own vomit and the other cats vomit as well.
And my friends dog regularly eats poop.
Poor arguments for mcdonalds
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18812299 - 09/07/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I only read through the second page...i'm a noob, searched these forums over a decade ago...now back at it...read read read, as well as typed questions a million different ways into the search bar. Getting mixed results, most as old as when i was first trolling. After trolling this time, i've figured out reading most these long threads who to listen to and who not too. I was sifting through so much shit, then i came across Frank, Citric & Tbag(closest to what i was doing, made since)...and few others that are too wound up for me to follow their threads. But i think i've figured it out, wish it was easier to find Good accurate info. Buuuut, i've found it, none the less...so it is possible, just so much bad info was in my head from reading.
Thank you all! Much love.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18812300 - 09/07/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: My cat eats its own vomit and the other cats vomit as well.
And my friends dog regularly eats poop.
Poor arguments for mcdonalds 
My dog has been known to consume things like bic lighters and small toys. She loves McDonalds. However in spite of all the evils of McDonalds, I still enjoy it.
I am
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: cynical bastad]
#18812460 - 09/07/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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cynical bastad said: I only read through the second page...i'm a noob, searched these forums over a decade ago...now back at it...read read read, as well as typed questions a million different ways into the search bar. Getting mixed results, most as old as when i was first trolling. After trolling this time, i've figured out reading most these long threads who to listen to and who not too. I was sifting through so much shit, then i came across Frank, Citric & Tbag(closest to what i was doing, made since)...and few others that are too wound up for me to follow their threads. But i think i've figured it out, wish it was easier to find Good accurate info. Buuuut, i've found it, none the less...so it is possible, just so much bad info was in my head from reading.
Thank you all! Much love.
Frank, Citric, Tbag... You are right on track my man. After you spend a little time on here It's not that hard to figure out who's knows what they're talking about and speaking from experience instead of just regurgitating stuff they've read and heard
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#18812719 - 09/07/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whippy said:
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Notahacker420 said:
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tbagtag said: In all honesty, I've always wondered if I could use McDonald's buns as a substrate. It might not even need to be pasteurized due to the fact it can't grow mold.
I don't even think their buns are real food....most likely just plastic, like their nuggets...
I have been to "pick and pull" junk yards and my opinion on McDonalds "food" changed because of it. I have personally witnessed cars on blocks with missing windows etc, but somehow there is still a quarter pounder with cheeze still sitting on the seat. No rot, no bugs and no mice chew marks. There is certainly something unnatural about them. If rats won't eat it I certainly would not.
But do you think mycelium would consume it??? I think if you cooked the buns in the oven till crispy, mashed it up and hydrated to field capacity it might work. Could be the substrate that requires no real pasteurization. I am being 100% serious BTW. Or maybe use 10g of it in Agar as a nutrient source, probably work better than antibiotics since again mold and bacteria do not grow on it.
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: tbagtag]
#18812774 - 09/07/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not that I expect it to actually do anything, but someone should try that. Not just the buns though; grind the entire mcfucker and toss in enough fries to get the right texture...
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18812879 - 09/07/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Make sure you substitute the water with one of those killer fraps
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Stromrider]
#18813335 - 09/07/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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would anyone be interested in a torrent with compiled information of different teks?
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: blackglass6219]
#18813450 - 09/07/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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link me....I'll check it out.....
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: blackglass6219]
#18814048 - 09/08/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure, why not?
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: Pestile]
#18814499 - 09/08/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because some torrents track your data and return it to someone.
I would never risk it, call me paranoid if you like. My links list is more than suitable
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18816329 - 09/08/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Why are my mushrooms not. .... community built FAQ [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18909008 - 09/29/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I started this hobby with an old print out from erowid and did my first grow in 2002. Still have prints from former fsre. I had heard of this site then, but figured experience was my best teacher, and it was. The first time I ever got on this site was when I made my account about a year ago. I can't say I've learned a whole lot here that I didn't already know, but I do enjoy the community and other people's opinions have certainly been helpful recently. I do think this site has far too many trolls and stupid fucks, but, as they say, take the bad with the good.
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