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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: teknix]
#18794551 - 09/03/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why do you post this:
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Do you feel it makes you come off as one in good and sincere faith?
It's ironic how you posted the image but right above misspelled your/you're in the same sentence as 'verb'.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: liquidlounge]
#18794558 - 09/03/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like how teh bear dances.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: teknix]
#18794560 - 09/03/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: GoldenEye]
#18794564 - 09/03/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Absolute Truth = Ultimate Reality.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: teknix]
#18794578 - 09/03/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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teknix said: Dude, I already defeated that argument with the structure of the premise, grammar means shit here.
ONLY Thoughts implicate existence in the premise, as intended.
You're not gonna get a verb to argue verse, sry bro, better luck next time.

You haven't defeated anything, "bro". Even if we accept the malformed structure of your premise AND conclusion, there is still the implicit use of the concept of existence involved in both parts. You're assuming what you're trying to prove, man, even if you don't write down the verbs that you're implicitly bringing into your argument.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: deCypher]
#18794588 - 09/03/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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deCypher said: You haven't defeated anything, "bro". 
I find it sad you write bro with " around and then laugh. It's like going down to the level you're complaining at.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: liquidlounge]
#18794602 - 09/03/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well shit, if my double quote marks depress you that much, I can't imagine the level of heartbreak you'd feel if I started using reverse apostrophes. `` ``
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: deCypher]
#18794612 - 09/03/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its got everything to do with this.
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Edited by liquidlounge (09/03/13 02:30 PM)
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: teknix]
#18794650 - 09/03/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Do you believe there is such a thing as an absolute truth?
I have no idea.
I'm leaning towards Icelander's approach at the moment.
I have no way of testing wether a truth is absolute or not, so perhaps it's best to be aware of that and just select the beliefs that work for you without worrying wether they are in fact an absolute truth or not.
Maybe the word truth is just fucked up and should have never been invented.
I will just stick with beliefs. Acknowledging that they are ever changing, that they are no better than other beliefs. And sticking with them as long as they work for me.
Absolute truth is worked subjectively and internally through experience, you can't say an absolute truth is necessarily true for everyone, only for you.
Like I don't know absolutely that you exist, but it seems likely considering there is existence and you seem to be thinking about it.
Absolute truth. Truth. Truth ISN'T belief. Truth would be universal. Since we know no truths we actually only believe in everything. Including ourselves. You actually don't know if you're real and the fact we can think doesn't prove anything. You can't prove everything you've ever seen or thought of isn't the product of a situation, person, or entity. You can't prove anything. Therefore I don't think truth is real. It's like they say.
Even if the truth were told to you. Would you believe it? No because how do we know it's the truth? That little skeptic will always be skeptical especially about something like truth.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: GoldenEye] 1
#18795344 - 09/03/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like Nagarjuna's concept regarding truth. I don't know if I believe it.
There's conventional truths and there's an ultimate truth.
Conventional truths can be talked about (Means of convention)
Ultimate truth transcends everything conventional.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: GoldenEye]
#18795682 - 09/03/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Do you believe there is such a thing as an absolute truth?
Why / why not?
note: what this absolute truth might be is irrelevant to this discussion.
yes; it's different for everybody and that's the absolute truth
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: deCypher]
#18795949 - 09/03/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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teknix said: Dude, I already defeated that argument with the structure of the premise, grammar means shit here.
ONLY Thoughts implicate existence in the premise, as intended.
You're not gonna get a verb to argue verse, sry bro, better luck next time.

You haven't defeated anything, "bro". Even if we accept the malformed structure of your premise AND conclusion, there is still the implicit use of the concept of existence involved in both parts. You're assuming what you're trying to prove, man, even if you don't write down the verbs that you're implicitly bringing into your argument.
Only thoughts are implicating existence, if not then show me wtf you're talking about, rather than making flat statements and bare assertions.
It a simple subjective question as to whether there are thoughts, if there are (from that perspective) there must be existence to embody thoughts. (from that perspective)
It's not saying I exist, (from that perspective), only that existence accompanies thoughts. ezpz.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: teknix]
#18796397 - 09/03/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think -absolute truth- is a combination of words that leads to an idea. .... I'm thinking absolute truth is some kind of ever lasting certainty. sooo there's that I suppose..
Which makes me think that the word truth is an mischievous and elusive word really. 
Its almost as if the word truth is the illusion itself.
Because truth implies an answer to my mind. And that isn't a ruling factor of this experience.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: jackSpearows]
#18797809 - 09/04/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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jackSpearows said: Which makes me think that the word truth is an mischievous and elusive word really. 
Well yeah, from thinking about this for a bit I'm starting to blame the word as well. It's weird. I wonder if there are languages that do not have the concept of truth? Or at least a word that kind of means truth but has a different nuance. Let's find some liguistic friends. I'll report back.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: GoldenEye]
#18797813 - 09/04/13 02:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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absolutely not
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: quinn]
#18797827 - 09/04/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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quinn said: absolutely not 
I see what you did there, you are denying it and affirming it at the same time!
You guys are claiming there are no absolute truths, absolutely, making "no absolute truths" an absolute truth!
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: teknix]
#18797831 - 09/04/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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IE; the claim that there are no absolute truths can't be absolutely correct unless there are absolute truths, GG!
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: teknix]
#18797856 - 09/04/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah the contradictions in terms are strong with this one.
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: GoldenEye]
#18797912 - 09/04/13 03:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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it will go far me thinks
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Re: Absolute truth, does it exist? [Re: quinn]
#18797931 - 09/04/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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In my search for languages that have another concept of truth, I found an interesting dude named Richard Rorty, who claims the following:
"truth is everything that can be succesfully framed by language."
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