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Insomnia411
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Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying?
#18797633 - 09/04/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So a few days ago I gave some friends a quarter of Cambodian mushies, which they split equally between 3-4 people. The next day one of my friends thanked me but said that they got very little visuals, just a body buzz. I was really shocked by this because as far as I can remember Cambodian gave me great trips in the past. Unfortunately, a few years ago when I took a break from growing, I lost my log, so I can't check. Anyway, so last night I took about 1.8g and got ZERO visuals. My pupils weren't even that dilated. Keep in mind I am a 126 lb girl that hasnt had any shrooms for over a year, so my tolerance should be very low.
I had drying issues since I live in a very humid climate, so I am wondering if this may be the culprit for the loss of potency. I had some of them in the dehydrator on max for like 3 days straight, it took AGES for them to get cracker dry for some reason.
What do you guys think is the reason? Was it possible overdrying, or is Cambodian just not very good for visuals?
SIDE NOTE: While about 80%+ were Cam, a small percentage of them were KSSS and GT (maybe like 15-20%). I didn't sort strains, just threw all the dried ones together without thinking. maybe it's possible one of these strains is low on visuals?
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18798148 - 09/04/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How often does he do them? could have a tolerance.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18798161 - 09/04/13 06:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Insomnia411 said: So a few days ago I gave some friends a quarter of Cambodian mushies, which they split equally between 3-4 people. The next day one of my friends thanked me but said that they got very little visuals, just a body buzz. I was really shocked by this because as far as I can remember Cambodian gave me great trips in the past. Unfortunately, a few years ago when I took a break from growing, I lost my log, so I can't check. Anyway, so last night I took about 1.8g and got ZERO visuals. My pupils weren't even that dilated. Keep in mind I am a 126 lb girl that hasnt had any shrooms for over a year, so my tolerance should be very low.
I had drying issues since I live in a very humid climate, so I am wondering if this may be the culprit for the loss of potency. I had some of them in the dehydrator on max for like 3 days straight, it took AGES for them to get cracker dry for some reason.
What do you guys think is the reason? Was it possible overdrying, or is Cambodian just not very good for visuals?
SIDE NOTE: While about 80%+ were Cam, a small percentage of them were KSSS and GT (maybe like 15-20%). I didn't sort strains, just threw all the dried ones together without thinking. maybe it's possible one of these strains is low on visuals?
A cube is a cube potency will be very similar between all cubensis mushrooms. Potency is pretty much the same between them all expect there are many a claim that PE is generally higher in potency. I wouldn't count on having destroyed the active compounds, rather the mushrooms lacking potency in general via genetics.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: fractaldill]
#18798167 - 09/04/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You never know what you get with multi spore and a cube is a cube.
I really dislike repeating what others say, but it's the truth. The only way you'll get a consistent potency is by making a mono-culture which has that as one of its traits.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: Pestile]
#18798316 - 09/04/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Think of Cambodian as being the brand and not the strain. Just like coke and pepsi they both are colas and quench your thirst.
There is no such thing as Ps. Cubensis var. Cambodian or Ps. Cubensis var. B+. There are other Ps. strains such as Ps. Alleni, Ps. Sempveres etc....
That being said if you were using a multispore syringe it's like playing the lotto, you might end up shooting rainbows out your eyeballs or you might end up feeling drunk and grinding your teeth all night.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: tbagtag]
#18798589 - 09/04/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would also like to add...
If they are not cracker dry, they can lose potency through oxidation. I think this takes awhile and I don't know all your storage details, but I don't think 3 days in a dehydrator would do it.
Its likely genetics
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18798628 - 09/04/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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a 16th is pretty small. 3 days is pretty long. Dehydrate first till wrinkled. Get some damprid/dryrite put it in an airtight box and add mushies. As long as the box is airtight you shouldn't have problems with humidity keeping them from drying. Note: There's no such thing as a more or less visual strain.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: StygianKnight]
#18798649 - 09/04/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ditch the dehydrator fan dry for a day then airtight container with dryrite cracker dry in a couple days.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18798652 - 09/04/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: I would also like to add...
If they are not cracker dry, they can lose potency through oxidation. I think this takes awhile and I don't know all your storage details, but I don't think 3 days in a dehydrator would do it.
Its likely genetics

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blueconfusion said: Ditch the dehydrator
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18798676 - 09/04/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used to air dry sometimes for a week and still could trip balls. But since I moved to the dehydrator I could never go back.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18798732 - 09/04/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: Juiceh]
#18799016 - 09/04/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't meant a food dehydrator
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: blueconfusion]
#18799018 - 09/04/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use desiccant to dry mine
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: blueconfusion]
#18799117 - 09/04/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry, if you dry with desiccant you have no business telling anyone to ditch their dehydrator.
I used to use fans and desiccants. No more of that shit. A dehydrator shits all over that method.
DAYS to cracker dry is unacceptable to me. For best results you want them dry as fast as possible and then sealed up from moisture.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: Juiceh]
#18799209 - 09/04/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: Pestile]
#18799264 - 09/04/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry I just never had luck with my food dehydrator
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: blueconfusion]
#18799524 - 09/04/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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blueconfusion said: Sorry I just never had luck with my food dehydrator
Take it back. It is obviously broke.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18799596 - 09/04/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psychoactive mushrooms are more of a mental experience, than a visual one. Many people have too many visual expectations when they eat the magic mushroom, but that's not what they're all about. If you want visions, then you need to try a heavier hallucinogen, such as DMT, LSD, or mescaline.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18801774 - 09/05/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: I would also like to add...
If they are not cracker dry, they can lose potency through oxidation. I think this takes awhile and I don't know all your storage details, but I don't think 3 days in a dehydrator would do it.
I'm thinking this may be the case. I was stuck on the notion that shrooms must be dried using very low heat, so I had those babies in the dehydrator for days not getting dry on 95 before the several days I mentioned earlier. So we're talking like a week with them sitting in there only partially dry.
I should probably also add that the dehydrator was turned on and off a lot. Due to my current living situation, when I leave I must turn it off or my roommates will think I left on the fan and go in my room to investigate (and I don't want that!). So I'd have it running for like 3 hours, leave for work for 9 hours, and not be turned on again until I got home, for example.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18802238 - 09/05/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Be careful around those roommates! You never can tell how that situation will work out. Good luck 411.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18802259 - 09/05/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only way a partially dry shroom would be less potent would be in the difference of active compounds per weight, not oxydization. Remember fresh picked shrooms are more potent, but you have to eat more in weight due to excess water.
Op, I used to air dry for a week before storing and could shit rainbows from my eyes off of 2 grams. Potency is entirely genetic, unless you leave your shrooms out in open air for a month or so you will have no chance to affect the potency. OP, stop looking for a magic bullet on why they were weak. It's genetics, every shroom and every flush is going to be different. I know if the first post you said you cultivated this strain before, but cubes are cubes one isn't going to be better than another as cubensis does not have genetic memory.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: mpd]
#18803031 - 09/05/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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mpd said: Be careful around those roommates! You never can tell how that situation will work out. Good luck 411.

Yeah, I remember a certain member who, back in april, told us that he got busted by his roommates and they immediately told the landlord.
He hasn't been here since. Last I heard he is either travelling the country (ie, homeless and running) or in trouble with the cops (more likely).
So...yeah, be careful. I'm eternally grateful to have my own house.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18803156 - 09/05/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback and concern everyone. I have a few more months on my lease, so I'm trying to just be real careful until then.
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Re: Cambodian potency issues - not a visual strain or loss from overdrying? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18803244 - 09/05/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would double recommend a desiccant box then. It's silent and always on. A plastic disposable container with airtight lid, a piece of cardboard or paper towel between your mushies and damprid is all that's needed after an initial blast with the dehydrator. Make sure to use a large amount of desiccants to prevent pooling. (while not easy to explain to others if you want to be really cheap all desiccants can be dried in an oven and reused).
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