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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Learyfan]
    #18795654 - 09/03/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

um, cool? no, people shouldn't HAVE TO pay anything. sorry, i disagree with you, wholeheartedly. i'm not really pantomime in my regard for music. i don't care if music makes money, i like it just how it is. thanks.

the Doors were ahead of the curve, though, were't they? cept Densmore of course.

haha, that Densmore.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #18795772 - 09/03/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Copyright laws are bullshit. You shouldn't own an arrangement of sound just because you were the first to arrange it that way. Five to one has a cool riff and anyone should be able to do what they want with it. Fuck censorship.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #18795783 - 09/03/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Copyright laws are bullshit. You shouldn't own an arrangement of sound just because you were the first to arrange it that way. Five to one has a cool riff and anyone should be able to do what they want with it. Fuck censorship.



intellectual property is one thing... owning notes? arrangements? and sounds? :lol:

no, that is beyond stupid, and the fact that people can't see this is because they'll blindly follow any reason to facilitate control.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: jewunit]
    #18795883 - 09/03/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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jewunit said:
It's okay, he gave him a tee shirt for it.



a tall tee I'm sure


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #18795980 - 09/03/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck musicians making any money! Lets make everything they do wholey free so they can be even more destitute than they already are! Vibrations in the air are worthless and cannot be owned! Solidified vibrations like GOD CELLPHONE worth 550$ though!!


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: twighead]
    #18796046 - 09/03/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Fuck musicians making any money! Lets make everything they do wholey free so they can be even more destitute than they already are! Vibrations in the air are worthless and cannot be owned! Solidified vibrations like GOD CELLPHONE worth 550$ though!!



we're talking about sampling, here.

and we're not talking about vibrations in the air, either. i was, at least, referring to the fact that owning a series of notes, is not possible; and if you wanna argue for that, then i'd have to say... that's remarkably stupid.

just like trademarking the Happy Birthday song. that shit is just not anything more then Big-Wig, greedy fuckery by people who don't care about music, or about anything but the almighty dollar... and those people can be fucked in the ass with pineapples before they get their eyes raked out by weasels.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18796079 - 09/03/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think all sampling should be illegal, indeed even the thought illegal - I hate always hearing some new house track or another that's the same stupid 4x4 beat just with some added on samples of actually good musicians from the 60s that gets super popular.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: twighead]
    #18796095 - 09/03/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i hate when people try and control music. it's sickening, and berating.

plus, there continues to be music that is as good as and better than the music from the 60's because those same musicians influences and played with newer musicians who then carried on many a legacy, and became many a spiritual successor.

sampling in music is just a new invention to help people, across the board, make new innovations in music. just because it's not your "thing" doesn't mean you or anyone else should have control over music and musicians directions.

NEVER.

and it won't happen as long as musicians who really love music, won't stand for it.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18796128 - 09/03/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well I decided I really love it, then I sat down - where's your theory now?

Would you sample a new car?

Didn't think so.

Now pay your RIAA fees or its to the bank with thee!


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Learyfan] * 3
    #18796187 - 09/03/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Well I mean, I think it's fine if you want to rap over my song, but if you want to make money on it, you better pay me.  But to answer your question, music is a commodity like anything else.  Why should be you be able to own anything? 





You should be able to own tangible goods to stop people from taking them away from you. If you buy a car and the car is in your possession than it's your car. You own the car. However you don't own the idea of an internal combustion engine that's property of the human race, indeed the entire universe.

Music, to my mind, is an idea. You should not, again in my opinion, be allowed to own ideas in any way shape or form. I disagree with the idea of a "music industry." and completely agree that all music should be shared for free.

Personally I think the only thing you owe the composer of a song is recognition. If you want to create a derived work from "their" song or sample it you should be required to say who's work it's derived from, to give the listener the opportunity to go and listen to the "original." But you should not be required to remunerate them for it.

As far as I'm conered you should only pay for goods and services, not ideas.
  • If I want to see a metallica concert I'll pay to see the concert (a service.)
  • If I want to see a band cover metallica songs, I'll pay to see that (and I don't think they [the covering band] should owe metallica a cent for it)
  • If I want to buy a metallic shirt I'll buy it (a good) and the person who made it deserves the money, not the band on which it's based, unless the band is the one making and selling the shirts.
  • and finally if I want to listen to a metallica song I'll download it for free, of course paying my ISP fee to do so. (service) I don't think metallica deserves that money or royalties of any kind for their idea. My speakers are making the song by disturbing the air pressure around them, not metallica.


I will not pay for an idea because, to my mind, ideas are public domain end of story. But this is just the way I feel about it. Obviously there are loads of people who think that people deserve compensation and remuneration for the usage of their ideas and while I don't agree with it, they're entitled to this viewpoint.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: twighead]
    #18796201 - 09/03/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

um, actually, ya, i would. i wouldn't buy a car i never handled before. :lol:

and just because you sat down, doesn't mean i will.

you can continue to think that "your favorites" reach beyond the skies, and that everyone's trying to soil the good name of what music you like.

music is continuously getting better and better when people don't follow that particular lead. thank God, for it too. i don't know what i'd do listening to all the puerile (word of the day!1) fiends constantly trying to re-create the 60's with the most stereotypical viewpoint on it all, all of it up to this point.

Dr.Dog... love 'em? Elephant collective bands? do you actually like any of the new "pseudo" psychedelic era music? i mean, it's good shit, it's just the same idea as the old days too. talent. writing good catchy songs with some analog equipment, pure and simple. you can't say with music like this, that music simply defunct now.

it's just simply not true; and that's besides the point... nobody should be able to "own" musicianship of anykind. it's people like these kinda of people, that will end up homogenizing the whole idea of original music.

that's why sampling is awesome. cause no one can say that any one thing belongs to them solely, outside of their own composition. it's a step in the fight against crazy, purist, wanna-be, rogue, controllers of what they want to cocked-at for the rest of their life, people who just want declaration and imposition.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18796217 - 09/03/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm for a happy medium. I think copyright laws exist, in part, for good intentions.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: jewunit]
    #18796253 - 09/03/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, to prevent piracy, sure. it's fair, but it's a stupid way to handle a fiscal repartee to the artist.

musicians should start putting music up on their own websites for digital sale. avoids the whole piracy issue.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #18796393 - 09/03/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i don't think music should be lawfully free, but i do think that pirating it shouldn't be illegal. i think copyright (in the case of a musician profiting from someone else's works)is a fair thing, though.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18796464 - 09/03/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Piracy isn't really what I was thinking of. Using other people's music can be an issue.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: jewunit]
    #18796466 - 09/03/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

how? what are the stipulations, from your point of view?


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18796477 - 09/03/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If I write a song, and then you blatantly take my song and present it as your own, that's not okay in my book.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: jewunit]
    #18796490 - 09/03/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

no duh, eh? c'mon, obviously you can't just steal and pass off someone else's composition as your own. :lol: no one ever in history will be debating that.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18796514 - 09/03/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well, someone said copyright laws were bullshit and some people seemed to agree.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: jewunit]
    #18796526 - 09/03/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

we're talking about sampling people's music. not outright using whole songs, as your own. :lol:


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