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blankstare27


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Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions?
#18796214 - 09/03/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I inoculated 5 weeks ago and the growth has come practically to a halt. The growth is extremely slow and I'm wanting to expedite the process a bit. On all of the cakes just half of the very bottom circle isn't colonized and I have noticed a good deal of moisture in the jars so i'm guessing that's my problem. I had read about birthing the cakes early and cutting off the uncolonized substrate but I hadn't seen anything on the specifics of the process.
So if I were to birth them early, where exactly should I be cutting? Like just the uncolonized sub or should i cut a little below into the actual myc? Just wanting to be safe. Any and all suggestions are welcome.
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blankstare27


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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: blankstare27]
#18796218 - 09/03/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can provide pics if need be.
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Edited by blankstare27 (09/03/13 08:23 PM)
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DiscountJesus
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: blankstare27]
#18796255 - 09/03/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you cut then a sliver below into the myc just to make sure you get all uncolonized material.
BRF jars tend to look moist on the bottom. If you stalled you probably have no gas exchange. If you have a dry verm layer remove any tape or foil or anything else that may be covering the holes. If your holes are open then a contam is likely.
Cut, birth and keep them seperate from any fully colonized cakes, as in a different room.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: DiscountJesus]
#18796313 - 09/03/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean, the myc looks healthy but there is A LOT of moisture in the jars. I did make larger holes in the tape covering the lid holes. If it were a bacteria contam would it be noticeable at all to the eye?
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: blankstare27]
#18796454 - 09/03/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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search for picture of "wet spot" When you get more exp you will see that wet spot seems more slimy then just wet. There is also a defenate boarder between the wet spot and the myc that the myc does not grow into. If the myc is still growing then I suspect it is simply moisture. Without pics I can't be sure.
There are all kinds of bacteria and most can be noticed with the naked eye but IME wet spot is one of the more devious on account of it looking like, well, a wet spot 
Go to the contam forum and check out the threads some really good pics over there.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: DiscountJesus]
#18796709 - 09/03/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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4th one concerns me with that little slimy blob area. On that last cake I totally spaced and didn't inoculate one side so that's why it looks like that. Also I flipped the jars a little while back so that's why there's that space in the bottoms.
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DiscountJesus
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: blankstare27]
#18797107 - 09/03/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The last cake looks fine, The others are contaminated.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: DiscountJesus]
#18797240 - 09/03/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Should I just toss or would I be able to cut off the problem areas?
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: DiscountJesus]
#18797357 - 09/03/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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DiscountJesus said: The last cake looks fine, The others are contaminated.
The last one is definitely contaminated, just like all the others....
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Edited by PussyFart (09/03/13 11:51 PM)
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: PussyFart]
#18797545 - 09/04/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Idk, not trying to be arrogant but I just don't see it, it looks to be going exactly like my last batch which did well save for some blobs on the first flush. They smell nice and shroomy, they smell....sharp is how i would describe it, and earthy. There is a lot of moisture but I dont see any other type of growth except for some of those slimy bits.
I'll bump this thread tomorrow around mid-day and provide some better lit pictures, I dont think that orange lamp is doing them much justice.
Either way, I think I'll ride it out and see what they end up doing.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: blankstare27]
#18797978 - 09/04/13 04:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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if they don't have mold theyl survive. Cubes can fight off bacteria, ive had it happen in my jars many times.
Looks like you have too much water and/or not enough FAE. Bacteria loves stale, moist air.
If you see it get worse birth them. The fresh air will cause them to finish quickly. Cut off any bad spots you see.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: gman7104]
#18797989 - 09/04/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Open them outside, put them under some grass clippings, and give them plenty of water. There is no point in putting contaminated cakes in your FC.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18798002 - 09/04/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Put them in a box in the back of the closet and start over with new jars. Try to get fine verm, and pay close attention to you water ratio's I use to free hand mix my jar batches, and I would always end up with a few that had to much moisture and they did that.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: Sockadin]
#18799258 - 09/04/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some better pictures hopefully. Like I said before, there's a lot of moisture in there and on the glass, obscuring the picture and what not.
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Edited by blankstare27 (09/04/13 01:31 PM)
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: blankstare27]
#18799360 - 09/04/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its bacteria. Birth ASAP, rinse the cakes gently and put in FC with lots of FAE and they will be fine.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: gman7104]
#18799373 - 09/04/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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gman7104 said: Cubes can fight off bacteria, ive had it happen in my jars many times.
If there is any contams that the mycellim must "fight off", it has already lost.
There should be no fighting, because there should be no contam.....period.....if there is the contam already won....
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: PussyFart]
#18807702 - 09/06/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The myc has grown considerably into the uncolonized areas. Would the mycelium still grow into areas that were contaminated by bacteria? There's no discoloration at all. The myc is as white as the driven snow.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: blankstare27]
#18807809 - 09/06/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ive had jars in the same situation eventually fully colonize. I just ignored them to see what would happen. Also, when the bottom doesn't colonize it is sometimes due to lack of oxygen. So, to solve this I just turned the jars upside down and tapped on them to force fresh air to the bottom of the jar. Although this is not always recommended.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: TheStormsEye]
#18807819 - 09/06/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spawn to an out door bed asap, its the only chance of not wasting your time.
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Re: Colonization has practically halted. Suggestions? [Re: funkerdslr]
#18807824 - 09/06/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh yea, that too.
I luv outdoor grows
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