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Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug
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 The drug scopolamine comes from the seeds of a family of plants that includes angel’s trumpets.
“I can give you a gun and tell you to go kill someone and you will do it,” said Dr. Camilo Uribe, who heads the toxicology unit at San Jose University Hospital and is a leading expert on the drug.
By: John Otis Globalpost, Published on Mon Sep 02 2013 The drug scopolamine is also known as “the devil’s breath” or“burundanga.” The late salsa diva Celia Cruz sang about it. In a recent documentary, Vice called it “the world’s scariest drug.”
That’s because scopolamine provides a potent weapon to Colombian criminals. The drug puts people into a zombie-like state in which they lose both their memory and free will and can be convinced to empty their bank accounts or hand over the keys to their apartments and cars.
“They go out to party and then wake up two or three days later on a park bench,” said Maria Fernanda Villota, a nurse at San Jose University Hospital in Bogota, which receives several scopolamine victims every week. “They arrive here without their belongings or their money.”
Tasteless and odourless, the drug is often slipped into the drinks of unsuspecting bar patrons. Last year, Colombian police reported nearly 1,200 cases of people victimized by criminals using scopolamine and other so-called zombie drugs. The victims range from high-profile politicians to U.S. Embassy employees to average Colombians.
Scopolamine comes from the seeds of a family of plants that includes angel’s trumpets and corkwood. They grow in many areas and can be found in the Botanical Garden in Bogota.
The drug has a few legitimate medical uses, such as treatment for motion sickness and for the tremors of Parkinson’s disease. But it’s best known for its darker properties.
Scopolamine blocks neurotransmitters that carry information to the part of the brain that stores short-term memory, said Dr. Camilo Uribe, who heads the toxicology unit at San Jose University Hospital and is a leading expert on the drug. In other words, what happens to people under the effect of scopolamine is simply not recorded by the brain.
At the same time, the drug makes people more open to suggestions.
Nazi “Angel of Death” Josef Mengele used scopolamine in interrogations as a kind of truth serum. The CIA administered doses of the drug during its controversial behavioural-engineering experiments in the 1960s, according to John D. Marks’ book, The Search for the ‘Manchurian Candidate.’
Since the 1970s, Colombian criminals have used scopolamine in order to rape women, empty out houses and apartments, and even abduct children. Last year, kidnappers used the drug on the parents of a 7-year-old girl in northern Antioquia department then took the child. She was rescued two months later.
But because victims remember almost nothing about these encounters it’s often impossible for them to provide police with descriptions of the perpetrators.
It’s widely believed that many of these crimes go unreported because they involve married men frequenting bars and bordellos who are too embarrassed to own up to what happened.
“Women are often the culprits,” said Augusto Perez of Nuevos Rumbos, a Bogota organization that focuses on drug abuse.
One infamous case involved three young Bogota women who preyed on men by smearing the drug on their breasts and luring their victims to take a lick. “Losing all willpower, the men readily gave up their bank access codes. The breast-temptress thieves then held them hostage for days while draining their accounts,” Reuters reported.
Victims have even been convinced to carry out crimes while under the effects of the drug.
“I can give you a gun and tell you to go kill someone and you will do it,” Uribe said.
A downside to scopolamine, from the point of view of the bad guys, is that victims can sometimes become agitated and aggressive and turn on their perpetrators.
“We’ve had cases in the emergency room in which we would have to treat both the victim who was intoxicated with the drug and the criminal whom he had beaten up,” Uribe said.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/09/02/devils_breath_could_be_worlds_scariest_drug.html
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Sandoz]
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nothing new here
NEVER taken this shit. Obviously scopolomine in Belladonna flower is what actually makes you trip. To me it might as well be a toxin that causes delirium, almost the same thing as if someone ingested too much nicotine and just hallucinated. I've heard stories of people taking too much of this and overdosing
What's worst I've heard stories from people I've known first hand saying they were surprised they didn't kill them self while tripping considering they didn't know what was real or wasn't real. Picking up things they thought were food or cigarettes, trying to drive 
Nothing new about this
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: imachavel]
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nothing new here
NEVER taken this shit. Obviously scopolomine in Belladonna flower is what actually makes you trip. To me it might as well be a toxin that causes delirium, almost the same thing as if someone ingested too much nicotine and just hallucinated. I've heard stories of people taking too much of this and overdosing
What's worst I've heard stories from people I've known first hand saying they were surprised they didn't kill them self while tripping considering they didn't know what was real or wasn't real. Picking up things they thought were food or cigarettes, trying to drive 
Nothing new about this
Maybe not to you lol. But for some folk it is.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: imachavel] 1
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what im reading is... perfect sleep aid.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: current]
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I've known about it for quite a while. Almost did mandrake one time but I wimped out.its funny how they spin it though, never heard of the stuff they make people do. I like the part about the victim beating up the perpetrator though.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Sandoz] 1
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Yawn. The natural deliriants are absurdly sensationalized in South America.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Society]
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I always have a strange attraction to deliriants and shit a handful of benadryl is where id stop. Wasn't the slightest bit enjoyable i felt like a little kid having night terrors
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Fuckspice] 1
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Toe_Jam]
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The savage south americans created the most horrifying drugs, plain and simple, forget that the government made BZ in an effort to make soldiers the perfect killing machine. Move along, nothing to see here, never happened.
Seriously i'm as scared as the next person of scopolamine, but when the government made BZ, and scrapped it who knows what they've come up with since then? But yeah scopolamine, has to be the most terrifying substance on the planet.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
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I saw these everywhere when I was in Costa Rica. Growing in peoples yards and what not.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: LustyLocks]
#18797061 - 09/03/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Claybuddy said: I saw these everywhere when I was in Costa Rica. Growing in peoples yards and what not.
They grow in everyone's yards here in Florida as well.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: imachavel]
#18797699 - 09/04/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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John D. Marks’ book, The Search for the ‘Manchurian Candidate.’ probably good read.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: WhoManBeing]
#18797735 - 09/04/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks like something I have in my front yard. Ill have to look closer at it tomorrow.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: WhoManBeing]
#18797777 - 09/04/13 02:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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santa cruz, california has these growing here and there. absolutely a beautiful aroma comes from these when in flower, a umbrella of scent. some of the traveler kids eye seen munch a bit of flower while being fungi's already, nothing too far out, and then.. there is Mark. sitting on the top floor, as high as you can get, seven stories, downtown santa cruz, and i would take you higher, Mark shared his story of his munching of the Angel's flower. with the aid of some Ketamine, the wonderfully told animated story toward an Acme fueled adventure. all begins when Mark decides to munch on a flower. with little knowledge of how to use, what to expect, he had consumed two flowers over his venture. the next week, can only be told in the best of light by him, himself. a group of kids thought he was a real hip body and offered a very nice bicycle for his use. very impressed with the rolls, rides around town coming to the boardwalk and wharf area beachside. a call for 'a contestant' came through the air waves, saying, 'we only need one more for the games to begin'. excitedly, Mark began to ride towards the end of the wharf where the sounds seemed to originate. 'looks like we found the contestant'. puzzled by the announcement. he second thought the idea. just then, 'oh, looks like he changed his mind. we need another to begin.' he began to ride towards the calling, to hear, 'looks like he is coming after all.' this said to have happened before Mark got to weirded out and left, with much disappointment to both parties. somewhere along the week, Mark was hanging around the board walk again starring up, watching the pigeons fly a beautiful flight in the sky, his personal show. with the walking stick acquired somewhere along the way, he points the stick up into the air and began to guide the birds on their flight. a group of people came to watch the spectacle, and began to laugh, which only fueled the fire for Mark to create a more impressive show. throwing his ar and stick from side to side, round and round, the birds did follow giving Mark the last laugh. much more Mark recalled as we sat visually peace.ing together the words that brought much leg slapping burst of laughs. the laughter not necessarily with him, for his faced showed more concern in a cold truth to the events. being one who has read a bit of others accounts, couldn't help but think all much the week hallucinations filled the calendar. aside from the mental phenomena, Mark stated he was very sick, hadn't eaten much, thought was going to die, and had bad vision for the Angel's flowers. luckily, he made it through and was there to share the story eye will never forget. cheers to you Mark peaceLOVE
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: WhoManBeing]
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I was in Colombia last year, and heaps of people were wary of being scoped.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Sandoz]
#18798149 - 09/04/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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“I can give you a gun and tell you to go kill someone and you will do it,” said Dr. Camilo Uribe, who heads the toxicology unit at San Jose University Hospital and is a leading expert on the drug.
Fucking wow, what an expert. I've done enough angel trumpets to know what they're like, lying piece of shit.
Angel trumpets are not "scary" and do not make you a zombie
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Repertoire89]
#18798240 - 09/04/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have drank datura tea a few times and seen people on it. I don't think they would do anything you say, because they are in a totally alternate reality. They usually play with things that don't exist, pet dogs that are not there or think they are were they are not. I kept my doses small, but people can really be lost doing to much.
It's not a manchurian canidate substance at all.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Toe_Jam]
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Toe_Jam said: Krokodil beats tropanes in scariness.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14653191#14653191
Foreel, check out this link.
Google that shit in images.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Sandoz]
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One infamous case involved three young Bogota women who preyed on men by smearing the drug on their breasts and luring their victims to take a lick. “Losing all willpower, the men readily gave up...
Forget smearing the drugs on your breast, if some random hot stranger chick offered me to suck her tits I would lose all willpower, dosed or not dosed
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: gulper2323]
#18798370 - 09/04/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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A trip report of one of our own members, DeCypher, shares his experience with datura.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=76457
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: jvm]
#18798670 - 09/04/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i see datura growing all over the place here in Pa ive spotted 4 different places in my neighborhood.
ive dosed myself once on d. inoxia it was quite strange only time ive had actual hallucinations/delirium. .
a friend of mine on the same dose a few weeks later had to be carried out of a cave. took us 20 mins to walk into the cave and 3 hours to drag him out. no joke. it was scary at the time but funny to think back on it.
both trip stories are long and really interesting, but i guess thats another thread.
crazy shit!
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: shopdropper]
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Pretty sure any drug has the potential to be the world's scariest drug if the user has a bad enough reaction to it. And haven't they been using the "mindless drone zombie" argument for a bit too long by now? "Bathsalts make you eat peoples' faces, smoking synthetic cannabinoids is like doing angel dust, mdma drains your spinal fluid, and pot kills braincells." All a bunch of bullshit sensationalism fueled by DEA lies.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: gulper2323]
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One infamous case involved three young Bogota women who preyed on men by smearing the drug on their breasts and luring their victims to take a lick. “Losing all willpower, the men readily gave up...
Forget smearing the drugs on your breast, if some random hot stranger chick offered me to suck her tits I would lose all willpower, dosed or not dosed 
if you had sclopamine smeared all over your skin, you would be dosing yourself., it has skin absorption
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Medical uses
Scopolamine has a number of uses in medicine:
Primary uses: Its primary use is for the treatment of postoperative nausea and vomiting and sea sickness, leading to its use by scuba divers.[10][11] Treatment of intestinal cramping For ophthalmic purposes As a general depressant and adjunct to narcotic painkillers
Secondary uses: As a preanesthetic agent As a drying agent for sinuses, lungs, and related areas: In otolaryngology, it is used to dry the upper airway (antisialogogue action) prior to instrumentation of the airway. To reduce motility and secretions in the GI tract—most frequently in tinctures or other belladonna or stramonium preparations, often used in conjunction with other drugs as in Donnagel original forumulation, Donnagel-PG (with paregoric), Donnabarb/Barbadonna/Donnatal (with phenobarbital), and a number of others Uncommonly, for some forms of Parkinsonism As an adjunct to opioid analgesia, such as the proprietary fixed-ratio product Twilight Sleep and the technique after which it was named which contained morphine and scopolamine, Scophedal (oxycodone, ephedrine and scopolamine), some of the original formulations of Percodan, and some European brands of methadone injection[citation needed] As an over-the-counter sedative, (until November 1990, scopolamine in minute doses could be purchased OTC in the United States): It can be used as a depressant of the central nervous system, and was formerly used as a bedtime sedative. Scopolamine is an ingredient of Schlesinger's Analgesic Solution, invented in the first decade of the previous century for use as a general-purpose analgesic, as well as drops for painful eye conditions, and an antitussive. The combination, as given in the 1913 US Pharmacopoeia and other national formularies, is 15 mg dionine hydrochloride, 10 mg morphine sulfate, and 125 µg scopolamine hydrobromide per cc. Some sources give the recipe as 1/4 grain dionine, 1/6 grain morphine, and ~29/810 grain of scopolamine; in some cases the salts of morphine and dionine may differ.
Nausea
It is used as an antiemetic in the form of a transdermal patch (applied behind the external ear).
Ophthalmic
The drug is used in eye drops to induce mydriasis (pupillary dilation) and cycloplegia (paralysis of the eye focusing muscle), primarily in the treatment of eye disorders that benefit from its prolonged effect, e.g. uveitis, iritis, iridocyclitis, etc.
Memory research
Because of its anticholinergic effects, scopolamine has been shown to prevent the activation of medial temporal lobe structures for novel stimuli during spatial memory tasks. It has also been shown to impair memory in humans to mimic the cognitive deficits found in Alzheimer's dementia.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: withoutawire]
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Medical uses
Scopolamine has a number of uses in medicine:
Primary uses: Its primary use is for the treatment of postoperative nausea and vomiting and sea sickness, leading to its use by scuba divers.[10][11] Treatment of intestinal cramping For ophthalmic purposes As a general depressant and adjunct to narcotic painkillers
Secondary uses: As a preanesthetic agent As a drying agent for sinuses, lungs, and related areas: In otolaryngology, it is used to dry the upper airway (antisialogogue action) prior to instrumentation of the airway. To reduce motility and secretions in the GI tract—most frequently in tinctures or other belladonna or stramonium preparations, often used in conjunction with other drugs as in Donnagel original forumulation, Donnagel-PG (with paregoric), Donnabarb/Barbadonna/Donnatal (with phenobarbital), and a number of others Uncommonly, for some forms of Parkinsonism As an adjunct to opioid analgesia, such as the proprietary fixed-ratio product Twilight Sleep and the technique after which it was named which contained morphine and scopolamine, Scophedal (oxycodone, ephedrine and scopolamine), some of the original formulations of Percodan, and some European brands of methadone injection[citation needed] As an over-the-counter sedative, (until November 1990, scopolamine in minute doses could be purchased OTC in the United States): It can be used as a depressant of the central nervous system, and was formerly used as a bedtime sedative. Scopolamine is an ingredient of Schlesinger's Analgesic Solution, invented in the first decade of the previous century for use as a general-purpose analgesic, as well as drops for painful eye conditions, and an antitussive. The combination, as given in the 1913 US Pharmacopoeia and other national formularies, is 15 mg dionine hydrochloride, 10 mg morphine sulfate, and 125 µg scopolamine hydrobromide per cc. Some sources give the recipe as 1/4 grain dionine, 1/6 grain morphine, and ~29/810 grain of scopolamine; in some cases the salts of morphine and dionine may differ.
Nausea
It is used as an antiemetic in the form of a transdermal patch (applied behind the external ear).
Ophthalmic
The drug is used in eye drops to induce mydriasis (pupillary dilation) and cycloplegia (paralysis of the eye focusing muscle), primarily in the treatment of eye disorders that benefit from its prolonged effect, e.g. uveitis, iritis, iridocyclitis, etc.
Memory research
Because of its anticholinergic effects, scopolamine has been shown to prevent the activation of medial temporal lobe structures for novel stimuli during spatial memory tasks. It has also been shown to impair memory in humans to mimic the cognitive deficits found in Alzheimer's dementia.
AIGH! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!? Stop providing legitimate information to quell our fear-mongering and hype-fest of a clearly evil drug referred to as Devil's Breath!!!!!!!
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Repertoire89]
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“I can give you a gun and tell you to go kill someone and you will do it,” said Dr. Camilo Uribe, who heads the toxicology unit at San Jose University Hospital and is a leading expert on the drug.
Fucking wow, what an expert. I've done enough angel trumpets to know what they're like, lying piece of shit.
Angel trumpets are not "scary" and do not make you a zombie
Anyone actually seen the "recent" (over 2 years old) Vice video? It's only about 20 mins and I completely buy the concerns raised in the article. It refers very clearly to extracted scopolamine not to merely ingesting plant material.
Watch the video, it's on youtube. While the experience may not be the most terrifying if dose, set/setting are O.K., the potential for others to fuck with you does sound immensely scary to me.
Video is very interesting, worth a watch whether you feel like believing true stories or not.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: egodeathflux]
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Watch the video, it's on youtube. While the experience may not be the most terrifying if dose, set/setting are O.K., the potential for others to fuck with you does sound immensely scary to me.
You wouldn't believe how someone can be fucked with by a pair of pliers and some rope
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Repertoire89]
#18809132 - 09/06/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just remembered that they made a movie about this stuff.
"The Serpent and the Rainbow"
Was a good show. Took place in Jamaica or Haiti if I think. About people getting turned into zombies. Based on a true story I believe.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Salomon]
#18809309 - 09/06/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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One infamous case involved three young Bogota women who preyed on men by smearing the drug on their breasts and luring their victims to take a lick. “Losing all willpower, the men readily gave up...
Forget smearing the drugs on your breast, if some random hot stranger chick offered me to suck her tits I would lose all willpower, dosed or not dosed 
if you had sclopamine smeared all over your skin, you would be dosing yourself., it has skin absorption 
Exactly! I know I cant be the only one who thinks that story is 100 BS. The media reports make sound more effective that it really is and the biggest danger to getting raped or robbed is still too many drinks, even in South America. The whole Vice doc made me think it was bullshit. A story for the Gringo reporters...
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: my3rdeye]
#18824421 - 09/10/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Like to make a correction (not to OP) but the article, I believe it is "Brugumansia"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brugmansia
The nightshade family, and scolpomines do have many relatives indeed. There's a great "Sacred Weeds" episode on Henbane, known as the favourite shamanic retreat of Eastern European Witches. It produced delerium.
Another Nightshade relative, Belladonna, was a common extractive for the eyes, considered a beauty regimen for many women, particularly for those attending the opera, as it dialated the pupils - making their eyes more "attractive" and making the opera more "bright " by evening. In the video "Absolut" by Scritti Politti, there is a definite insinuation of this by the Midsummer's Night Dream clubgoers 
Nicotiana is related to Nightshade, and so are Tomatoes and Potatoes. Horses will not eat any of these, for they can smell the Alkaloids. And like Ren and Stimpy's Horse man, they say "No Sir, I don't Like It!"
Recently there has been a debate about Bees and Neo Nicoteinoid insecticides - we wonder if organic Nicotine spray has the same negative effect or not.
About my own experiences with Scolpomine:
"Witches Flying Ointment," a salve consisting of hash oil, scolpomine related plants (usually belladonna), and other components was applied to the skin for a transdermal state of effect. (This information was given to me by several witches of Salem, MA) This is one I heard of, but not tried meself.
The Warlock to whom I spoke pointed out the local species, Datura. In New England, it is also known as Jimson Weed. A pinch of it with Cannabis, within a very careful measure, can be quite stimulating. One would absolutely never want to double dose on this herb.
This practice is related to the Harems in India where the concubines would be induced into a mystical state with the use of hash/ nightshade combination. I actually can't recall the plant they used, it might indeed have been Datura.
Like an MAOI interaction, there are serious risks that a preliminary diet could not help to control. Yet, it is not something I would say that one would not want to try alone - provided one is under guidance by a shaman, sitter or friend. By that, i mean at least well advised to begin with, but preferably a phone call away if need be.
However, I'd like to at least say, its onset won't be at all like Salvia. If anyone was wondering about that. Oh no. Quite different.
That being said - the state of delerium is different than psychedelic, entactogenic, or hypnotic. In what way? You may actually believe what you believe is true. It might in some ways be the opposite of what you had in mind. You may in fact , long for your dreams, or a long time ago, and be in some madness about it. Or, you might go to sleep and be afraid you might not wake up.
Why did the witches use it?
Why did Tori Amos find it worthy of writing a song about in the 1990s?
Scolpomine does have limited but unique medical uses! It was utilized in the early space program for anti nausea and mild bladder control.
Ponder on! and, if anyone wishes to correct what I've offered here, please feel free 
Thanks, and bright , safe blessings, J
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