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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: jvm]
#18798670 - 09/04/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i see datura growing all over the place here in Pa ive spotted 4 different places in my neighborhood.
ive dosed myself once on d. inoxia it was quite strange only time ive had actual hallucinations/delirium. .
a friend of mine on the same dose a few weeks later had to be carried out of a cave. took us 20 mins to walk into the cave and 3 hours to drag him out. no joke. it was scary at the time but funny to think back on it.
both trip stories are long and really interesting, but i guess thats another thread.
crazy shit!
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: shopdropper]
#18799162 - 09/04/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pretty sure any drug has the potential to be the world's scariest drug if the user has a bad enough reaction to it. And haven't they been using the "mindless drone zombie" argument for a bit too long by now? "Bathsalts make you eat peoples' faces, smoking synthetic cannabinoids is like doing angel dust, mdma drains your spinal fluid, and pot kills braincells." All a bunch of bullshit sensationalism fueled by DEA lies.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: gulper2323]
#18801468 - 09/04/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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One infamous case involved three young Bogota women who preyed on men by smearing the drug on their breasts and luring their victims to take a lick. “Losing all willpower, the men readily gave up...
Forget smearing the drugs on your breast, if some random hot stranger chick offered me to suck her tits I would lose all willpower, dosed or not dosed 
if you had sclopamine smeared all over your skin, you would be dosing yourself., it has skin absorption
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Salomon] 1
#18803229 - 09/05/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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DEVILS BREATH
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Medical uses
Scopolamine has a number of uses in medicine:
Primary uses: Its primary use is for the treatment of postoperative nausea and vomiting and sea sickness, leading to its use by scuba divers.[10][11] Treatment of intestinal cramping For ophthalmic purposes As a general depressant and adjunct to narcotic painkillers
Secondary uses: As a preanesthetic agent As a drying agent for sinuses, lungs, and related areas: In otolaryngology, it is used to dry the upper airway (antisialogogue action) prior to instrumentation of the airway. To reduce motility and secretions in the GI tract—most frequently in tinctures or other belladonna or stramonium preparations, often used in conjunction with other drugs as in Donnagel original forumulation, Donnagel-PG (with paregoric), Donnabarb/Barbadonna/Donnatal (with phenobarbital), and a number of others Uncommonly, for some forms of Parkinsonism As an adjunct to opioid analgesia, such as the proprietary fixed-ratio product Twilight Sleep and the technique after which it was named which contained morphine and scopolamine, Scophedal (oxycodone, ephedrine and scopolamine), some of the original formulations of Percodan, and some European brands of methadone injection[citation needed] As an over-the-counter sedative, (until November 1990, scopolamine in minute doses could be purchased OTC in the United States): It can be used as a depressant of the central nervous system, and was formerly used as a bedtime sedative. Scopolamine is an ingredient of Schlesinger's Analgesic Solution, invented in the first decade of the previous century for use as a general-purpose analgesic, as well as drops for painful eye conditions, and an antitussive. The combination, as given in the 1913 US Pharmacopoeia and other national formularies, is 15 mg dionine hydrochloride, 10 mg morphine sulfate, and 125 µg scopolamine hydrobromide per cc. Some sources give the recipe as 1/4 grain dionine, 1/6 grain morphine, and ~29/810 grain of scopolamine; in some cases the salts of morphine and dionine may differ.
Nausea
It is used as an antiemetic in the form of a transdermal patch (applied behind the external ear).
Ophthalmic
The drug is used in eye drops to induce mydriasis (pupillary dilation) and cycloplegia (paralysis of the eye focusing muscle), primarily in the treatment of eye disorders that benefit from its prolonged effect, e.g. uveitis, iritis, iridocyclitis, etc.
Memory research
Because of its anticholinergic effects, scopolamine has been shown to prevent the activation of medial temporal lobe structures for novel stimuli during spatial memory tasks. It has also been shown to impair memory in humans to mimic the cognitive deficits found in Alzheimer's dementia.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: withoutawire]
#18803876 - 09/05/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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withoutawire said: DEVILS BREATH
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Medical uses
Scopolamine has a number of uses in medicine:
Primary uses: Its primary use is for the treatment of postoperative nausea and vomiting and sea sickness, leading to its use by scuba divers.[10][11] Treatment of intestinal cramping For ophthalmic purposes As a general depressant and adjunct to narcotic painkillers
Secondary uses: As a preanesthetic agent As a drying agent for sinuses, lungs, and related areas: In otolaryngology, it is used to dry the upper airway (antisialogogue action) prior to instrumentation of the airway. To reduce motility and secretions in the GI tract—most frequently in tinctures or other belladonna or stramonium preparations, often used in conjunction with other drugs as in Donnagel original forumulation, Donnagel-PG (with paregoric), Donnabarb/Barbadonna/Donnatal (with phenobarbital), and a number of others Uncommonly, for some forms of Parkinsonism As an adjunct to opioid analgesia, such as the proprietary fixed-ratio product Twilight Sleep and the technique after which it was named which contained morphine and scopolamine, Scophedal (oxycodone, ephedrine and scopolamine), some of the original formulations of Percodan, and some European brands of methadone injection[citation needed] As an over-the-counter sedative, (until November 1990, scopolamine in minute doses could be purchased OTC in the United States): It can be used as a depressant of the central nervous system, and was formerly used as a bedtime sedative. Scopolamine is an ingredient of Schlesinger's Analgesic Solution, invented in the first decade of the previous century for use as a general-purpose analgesic, as well as drops for painful eye conditions, and an antitussive. The combination, as given in the 1913 US Pharmacopoeia and other national formularies, is 15 mg dionine hydrochloride, 10 mg morphine sulfate, and 125 µg scopolamine hydrobromide per cc. Some sources give the recipe as 1/4 grain dionine, 1/6 grain morphine, and ~29/810 grain of scopolamine; in some cases the salts of morphine and dionine may differ.
Nausea
It is used as an antiemetic in the form of a transdermal patch (applied behind the external ear).
Ophthalmic
The drug is used in eye drops to induce mydriasis (pupillary dilation) and cycloplegia (paralysis of the eye focusing muscle), primarily in the treatment of eye disorders that benefit from its prolonged effect, e.g. uveitis, iritis, iridocyclitis, etc.
Memory research
Because of its anticholinergic effects, scopolamine has been shown to prevent the activation of medial temporal lobe structures for novel stimuli during spatial memory tasks. It has also been shown to impair memory in humans to mimic the cognitive deficits found in Alzheimer's dementia.
AIGH! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!? Stop providing legitimate information to quell our fear-mongering and hype-fest of a clearly evil drug referred to as Devil's Breath!!!!!!!
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Repertoire89]
#18807639 - 09/06/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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“I can give you a gun and tell you to go kill someone and you will do it,” said Dr. Camilo Uribe, who heads the toxicology unit at San Jose University Hospital and is a leading expert on the drug.
Fucking wow, what an expert. I've done enough angel trumpets to know what they're like, lying piece of shit.
Angel trumpets are not "scary" and do not make you a zombie
Anyone actually seen the "recent" (over 2 years old) Vice video? It's only about 20 mins and I completely buy the concerns raised in the article. It refers very clearly to extracted scopolamine not to merely ingesting plant material.
Watch the video, it's on youtube. While the experience may not be the most terrifying if dose, set/setting are O.K., the potential for others to fuck with you does sound immensely scary to me.
Video is very interesting, worth a watch whether you feel like believing true stories or not.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: egodeathflux]
#18808310 - 09/06/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Watch the video, it's on youtube. While the experience may not be the most terrifying if dose, set/setting are O.K., the potential for others to fuck with you does sound immensely scary to me.
You wouldn't believe how someone can be fucked with by a pair of pliers and some rope
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Repertoire89]
#18809132 - 09/06/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just remembered that they made a movie about this stuff.
"The Serpent and the Rainbow"
Was a good show. Took place in Jamaica or Haiti if I think. About people getting turned into zombies. Based on a true story I believe.
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: Salomon]
#18809309 - 09/06/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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One infamous case involved three young Bogota women who preyed on men by smearing the drug on their breasts and luring their victims to take a lick. “Losing all willpower, the men readily gave up...
Forget smearing the drugs on your breast, if some random hot stranger chick offered me to suck her tits I would lose all willpower, dosed or not dosed 
if you had sclopamine smeared all over your skin, you would be dosing yourself., it has skin absorption 
Exactly! I know I cant be the only one who thinks that story is 100 BS. The media reports make sound more effective that it really is and the biggest danger to getting raped or robbed is still too many drinks, even in South America. The whole Vice doc made me think it was bullshit. A story for the Gringo reporters...
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Re: Devil’s breath’ could be world’s scariest drug [Re: my3rdeye]
#18824421 - 09/10/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Like to make a correction (not to OP) but the article, I believe it is "Brugumansia"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brugmansia
The nightshade family, and scolpomines do have many relatives indeed. There's a great "Sacred Weeds" episode on Henbane, known as the favourite shamanic retreat of Eastern European Witches. It produced delerium.
Another Nightshade relative, Belladonna, was a common extractive for the eyes, considered a beauty regimen for many women, particularly for those attending the opera, as it dialated the pupils - making their eyes more "attractive" and making the opera more "bright " by evening. In the video "Absolut" by Scritti Politti, there is a definite insinuation of this by the Midsummer's Night Dream clubgoers 
Nicotiana is related to Nightshade, and so are Tomatoes and Potatoes. Horses will not eat any of these, for they can smell the Alkaloids. And like Ren and Stimpy's Horse man, they say "No Sir, I don't Like It!"
Recently there has been a debate about Bees and Neo Nicoteinoid insecticides - we wonder if organic Nicotine spray has the same negative effect or not.
About my own experiences with Scolpomine:
"Witches Flying Ointment," a salve consisting of hash oil, scolpomine related plants (usually belladonna), and other components was applied to the skin for a transdermal state of effect. (This information was given to me by several witches of Salem, MA) This is one I heard of, but not tried meself.
The Warlock to whom I spoke pointed out the local species, Datura. In New England, it is also known as Jimson Weed. A pinch of it with Cannabis, within a very careful measure, can be quite stimulating. One would absolutely never want to double dose on this herb.
This practice is related to the Harems in India where the concubines would be induced into a mystical state with the use of hash/ nightshade combination. I actually can't recall the plant they used, it might indeed have been Datura.
Like an MAOI interaction, there are serious risks that a preliminary diet could not help to control. Yet, it is not something I would say that one would not want to try alone - provided one is under guidance by a shaman, sitter or friend. By that, i mean at least well advised to begin with, but preferably a phone call away if need be.
However, I'd like to at least say, its onset won't be at all like Salvia. If anyone was wondering about that. Oh no. Quite different.
That being said - the state of delerium is different than psychedelic, entactogenic, or hypnotic. In what way? You may actually believe what you believe is true. It might in some ways be the opposite of what you had in mind. You may in fact , long for your dreams, or a long time ago, and be in some madness about it. Or, you might go to sleep and be afraid you might not wake up.
Why did the witches use it?
Why did Tori Amos find it worthy of writing a song about in the 1990s?
Scolpomine does have limited but unique medical uses! It was utilized in the early space program for anti nausea and mild bladder control.
Ponder on! and, if anyone wishes to correct what I've offered here, please feel free 
Thanks, and bright , safe blessings, J
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