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IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized?
    #18790786 - 09/02/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So I picked up 2 gallons of VM&P Naphtha, come tomorrow my MHRB will be on the way, and I have all the money I need to buy chemicals for testing and experimentation (Without reading the title, we all know what I am talking about by now.)

While I am very nervous about this as a whole, I am also very excited. I do have a few questions before my whole process is set in motion.

How does IV dosage compare to that of smoking or vaporization? (Factoring in that no DMT is burned in the process)
According to Rick Strassman, the high dose of DMT intravenously is 0.4mg/kg, so with my body weight - It is about 26.4 mg.

That being said, fuck IV, so what should I expect to dose vaporized?

Also any tips/suggestions for my upcoming 'Project' would be appreciated.


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: Caboose]
    #18790930 - 09/02/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No one has any input on this? Come on guys, you are an intelligent bunch.


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: Caboose]
    #18790931 - 09/02/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

you don't IV DMT freebase.  a little furthur synth is required. 

no IV use of such.  a good amount of knowledge with smoke.  couldn't imagine what the difference.  have experience with needle, where 12-14seconds later turned on to top.  that was with another chemical other than DMT.  there has been times with smoking DMT where around the same time span passes where i went...  yea.  that said, i would give DMT a shot for the connoisseur's perspective, but always pleased with a good puff.


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #18790972 - 09/02/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Dont IV anything! The only reason Strausman used IV method is because he had lab grade DMT that was pure as fuck.


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #18790990 - 09/02/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You seem to be missing my point. Obviously I can't tell EXACTLY how much I will need to vaporize, but I am looking for a decent starting point so I don't end up wasting unnecessary amounts of DMT in the interim.


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #18790999 - 09/02/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

understandable.  with knowledge and experience of synth, one could come to a product that would be pure.  for some do so. 

it is not my route to administer me doses, but there are folks that take it like that. 

just be smart and acknowledge what you doing.


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #18791027 - 09/02/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP.  i recommend getting a 'straight shooter', freebase glass straw with 'chore boy' and all, understand how to smoke out of such, then, put what level dose you are looking for onto pipe and puff.  what is not smoked will run down and cool in remaining glass for later use.  best method me opinion.  with one hit, had left before breathe was on way out.

you know?


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #18791102 - 09/02/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I had intended to make a freebase vaporizer using; A side arm test tube, lab support stand, one-hole rubber stopper, borosilicate thistle tube, and vinyl tubing. I could vaporize the entire dose, and let it cool, then take my hit. It seems the most effective in my research.


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: Caboose]
    #18791123 - 09/02/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

quite the puzzle for me minds eye.

have you got no experience with smoking DMT?


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #18791168 - 09/02/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

None at all.
I haven't had much psychedelic experience in general, but I do have a fond love of chemistry.
I have had LSA and Salvia, but that's about it. I am very motivated and ready to dedicate my life to the spiritual side of psychedelic use.

LSA was so enlightening, and I fell in love with the head-space.

I am essentially skipping a subtle approach and going strait for DMT.


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: Caboose]
    #18791245 - 09/02/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

baby stepping into this was joyful.  started with sprinkles onto shaman smoke blend.  then, onto a oil burner type pipe, those didn't do too well.  base pipe hit the nail on the head. 

you can wait hours time before another baseline to climax.  are you looking to jump into the pool or tip your toe slowing entering?


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #18791516 - 09/02/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have waited about 1 and a half years for this to come, so I am jumping in head first.
No need to waist any time here. This will be a large scale extraction (more than 6.5 pounds), so I plan on doing this for awhile.


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: Caboose]
    #18791572 - 09/02/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like you are pretty determined about this. I hope you have done your research.

Let me know how it goes for your first extraction, I'd love to hear how your first trip goes! I have yet to try DMT, so I'm curious :P


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: SomeGuyX]
    #18791748 - 09/02/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yea, man, keep us posted.  excited for you, bro.


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: SomeGuyX]
    #18791753 - 09/02/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Throughout that time period, all of my spare moments were spent researching, so no worries there.

I will take pictures as I go to show what I did, to show my progress, and I will most definitely write a trip report (once I decrypt the experience of course.)


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: Caboose]
    #18791918 - 09/02/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As others have said, never IV anything that you've extracted. If you have lab-grade fumarate (not freebase) then by all means, but that will be mighty difficult to synthesize/get your hands on.
Good luck!


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: Caboose]
    #18792566 - 09/02/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Caboose said:
This will be a large scale extraction (more than 6.5 pounds), so I plan on doing this for awhile.


????

Haha... enough for a good wk-end so is it!!!!

how much do you plan on extracting first and what tek will you use??? or with that amount of material and means to various chemicals etc as you say, are you going to start off trying various techniques in a side by side comparison to see which yields more??? would be interesting to see that...if you started with say 100gms for a few different tek's and compared the final product with weight,purity of each pull,ease of process etc....

keep us posted anyway dude...sounds like your ready to go for it...

Out of curiosity...did you extract the lsa you tried or how did you dose...I have some heavenly blues here at the moment but not sure what to do with them yet...there's a lot of conflicting anecdotes out there!!!


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: CatchThirtythr33]
    #18793008 - 09/03/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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As others have said, never IV anything that you've extracted.




It's OK if you've done a clean extraction (i.e. clean naptha that doesn't leave a residue). It really is. And they make syringe filters that allow you to filter out the particulate matter.

It also has to converted to a salt form, as implied above.







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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: s240779]
    #18793137 - 09/03/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Da2ra said:
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CatchThirtyThr33 said:
As others have said, never IV anything that you've extracted.




It's OK if you've done a clean extraction (i.e. clean naptha that doesn't leave a residue). It really is. And they make syringe filters that allow you to filter out the particulate matter.





Interesting, I didn't know filters like that existed. I don't know how comfortable I'd feel about it regardless, but intriguing to know it can be done!
Yup, no injecting freebase :lol:


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Re: IV DMT dosage compared to vaporized? [Re: Simple-Psyman]
    #18795627 - 09/03/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Caboose said:
This will be a large scale extraction (more than 6.5 pounds), so I plan on doing this for awhile.


????

Haha... enough for a good wk-end so is it!!!!

how much do you plan on extracting first and what tek will you use??? or with that amount of material and means to various chemicals etc as you say, are you going to start off trying various techniques in a side by side comparison to see which yields more??? would be interesting to see that...if you started with say 100gms for a few different tek's and compared the final product with weight,purity of each pull,ease of process etc....

keep us posted anyway dude...sounds like your ready to go for it...

Out of curiosity...did you extract the lsa you tried or how did you dose...I have some heavenly blues here at the moment but not sure what to do with them yet...there's a lot of conflicting anecdotes out there!!!




You hit it right on the head with the side-by-side piece. I have 3 different extraction methods lined up for my MHRB, so that should be fun.
I am not going to integrate large scale until I find the best possible way of my selections, so as not to waste my time and effort (not to mention cash. This total is about $400)


Also, to clarify to everyone: I NEVER INTENDED ON DOSING IV. I just wanted a rough dosage comparison.

As far as the LSA goes, I had Hawaiian strain HBWR, and I ate 9 seeds after pulverization. I didn't have too many discomforts, but god damn did I trip hard.

I would say just grind and ingest (obviously make sure there aren't any toxic chemicals on them), because any and all extractions will cause loss of yield. The also may be other actives that haven't bee isolated, or some other synergetic process. Just try to make them not taste like absolute shit.


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