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How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' * 3
    #18791180 - 09/02/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've always wondered why the remaining Doors allowed Jay Z to sample their song 'Five To One' in his song 'The Takeover'.  Not only had The Doors (collectively) always been against selling their music to advertisers, but The Doors, while a bit on the dark side, were a hippie band.  I was surprised that they would lend their music to a rapper to use for a diss record against another rapper (Nas). 

Now I found out how it happened (click here).  So Jay Z convinced John Densmore, the last hold out in the deal, that he was fighting against the system just like The Doors had in the 60's.  What the fuck?  How could John have possibly fallen for that?  I guess when he said he was fighting against the man, he forgot to mention to John that he was just fighting against another man.  I'm not against "The Takeover" or its use of a Doors song really, but I'm just surprised that John Densmore fell for such an obvious lie.  Jay Z isn't fighting against the establishment in any way shape or form in my opinion. 




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Jay Z Wrote Letter to the Doors' John Densmore
Rapper helped explain hip-hop to skeptical drummer

Erin Coulehan
August 14, 2013 10:55 AM ET

Rock and hip-hop intersected in an unlikely place when Jay Z and Doors drummer John Densmore struck up a correspondence in the early 2000s, the rocker said yesterday in a segment on HuffPost Live.

The drummer said that when Jay Z sampled the Doors' "Five to One" on the rapper's 2001 album The Blueprint, he didn't understand the point. "Hip-hop was just coming on, and I was like, 'What is this stuff? There's no melody,'" Densmore said. "I was a curmudgeon."

100 Greatest Artists: The Doors

Jay Z got word of Densmore's skepticism, and got in touch. "Jay Z wrote me a letter saying, 'Hey, we're fighting the authority just like you guys did back then,'" Densmore said. The rapper also sent him a Def Jam T-shirt, which he held on to.

Skip forward a decade and Densmore found himself quoting Jay Z. While writing his book The Doors: Unhinged, Densmore turned to some of Jay Z's thoughts on success from the rapper's book Decoded. Densmore related to the experience of financial success not equating to happiness, and used some of the rapper's lyrics to further explore the effects of fame and the impulse to self-destruct. "I took a photo of me in this T-shirt, which I saved, and sent it to him and said, 'Hey, would you give me some of these words?"

Also in the segment, Densmore said he got a chance to smooth over strained relations with former bandmate Ray Manzarek before the keyboardist died in May. Densmore had objected when Manzarek and guitarist Robby Krieger toured in 2002 using the Doors name, resulting in a decade of strife.

"Fortunately, I had a closing phone call," Densmore said.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Learyfan]
    #18791607 - 09/02/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't really like how people are allowed to own music. Doesn't seem right to me. If some guy wants to "rap" over the top of your song, so what? I think it's silly you need permission for that.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Dawks] * 3
    #18791672 - 09/02/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well I mean, I think it's fine if you want to rap over my song, but if you want to make money on it, you better pay me.  But to answer your question, music is a commodity like anything else.  Why should be you be able to own anything? 














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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Dawks] * 3
    #18791836 - 09/02/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't really like how people are allowed to own music. Doesn't seem right to me. If some guy wants to "rap" over the top of your song, so what? I think it's silly you need permission for that.



no way in hell should an artist be able to just use someone else's material that THEY wrote in their own song without permission/paying for the rights to do so.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #18792464 - 09/02/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Who gives two shits and a sideways fuck?
Clearly he didn't have as much of an issue with selling his music as you have with him selling his music.

What I find more appalling than some shitty rapper using someone else's music is the amount of overzealous reverence some people have for nearly equally shitty music.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Dawks] * 1
    #18792575 - 09/02/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Dawks said:
I don't really like how people are allowed to own music. Doesn't seem right to me. If some guy wants to "rap" over the top of your song, so what? I think it's silly you need permission for that.





music should be free.


to listen to it. to share it with your friends.



not to make money off it.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Salomon] * 2
    #18792578 - 09/02/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So music shouldn't be free, gotcha.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Salomon]
    #18792959 - 09/03/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Dawks said:
I don't really like how people are allowed to own music. Doesn't seem right to me. If some guy wants to "rap" over the top of your song, so what? I think it's silly you need permission for that.





music should be free.





This.
Who pays for their music anyway?


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Learyfan]
    #18792963 - 09/03/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Wait I'm confused where is the trickery coming from?


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: something super extreme]
    #18792982 - 09/03/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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sVs said:

What I find more appalling than some shitty rapper using someone else's music is the amount of overzealous reverence some people have for nearly equally shitty music.





gotta love the overrated.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: jewunit] * 3
    #18793168 - 09/03/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Wait I'm confused where is the trickery coming from?




I feel like Jay Z presented his brand of hip hop, and that song in particular, erroneously, but in a way that a former counterculture rebel could understand.  "Hey man, I'm just fighting against the system like you were" is how he presented it, but in actuality it was just a diss record against another rapper.  Know what I mean?  He pretended to be Public Enemy to someone who was hip hop illiterate. 
















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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Learyfan]
    #18793176 - 09/03/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Meh I dunno, don't really care, he used it in a Unplugged performance so people liked it and anyone with the C.d. would know where it came from


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Konyap] * 3
    #18793192 - 09/03/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure either of those things are relevant to this particular conversation. 















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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Learyfan] * 2
    #18794797 - 09/03/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, on the one hand... to a certain degree hip hop, or at least some hip hop, could be seen as "fighting against the system."


On the other hand, Jay Z, specifically, and his brand of hip hop IS the fucking system.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18794910 - 09/03/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sampling isnt a crime and it adds to the art


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Nimpo] * 1
    #18794945 - 09/03/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Okay, on the one hand... to a certain degree hip hop, or at least some hip hop, could be seen as "fighting against the system."

On the other hand, Jay Z, specifically, and his brand of hip hop IS the fucking system.




I totally agree. 




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Sampling isnt a crime and it adds to the art




Yeah, but if you're going to release music that samples other people's music for sale, then you have to pay.  That's how it should be. 
















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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Learyfan] * 3
    #18794977 - 09/03/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why? Because you place ill-informed importance on the sanctity of intellectual property, or some equally absurd rubbish?
I'm sure you wouldn't have even made this post if shitty hippy band X had used shitty hippy band Y's song for some purpose. You're just upset that someone you don't like used a song in a manner that you don't like. Boo hoo.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: something super extreme] * 6
    #18794996 - 09/03/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You are an extremely angry person. 
















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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #18795000 - 09/03/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

no, he's making a point, and i think he touched a nerve.

he doesn't appear to be angry to me, at all. :shrug:

plus, whoever one upped your post, same applies. touched a nerve at some point.

man, so typical.


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Re: How Jay Z tricked John Densmore into allowing him to use 'Five To One' [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #18795011 - 09/03/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You are an extremely angry person. 





Foaming at the mouth and shaking with rage.
But feel free to do something other than deflect.


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