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jivangilad
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My wife objects to using plants
#18794425 - 09/03/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Before marriage I have been using plants, and it cured me profoundly emotionally and mentally, and had profound spiritual experiences. I am married 7 years. I have been using plants here and there during marriage. My wife is very afraid of these and also being christian, thinks its satanic. She has become very much against it, after one time she took mushrooms with me, and had a bad trip. Partly to make peace, and after speaking with our pastor which supported her, I agreed to stop it for one year. This year is about to finish and I feel like the plants call me to use them. I just want to use the plants a few times a year, as I did before. (Trichocereus cactus, with a mix of Syrian rue seed which has similarities of effect to Ayahuska.) Any suggestions?
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18794463 - 09/03/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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im always a big believer in marriage to party equals. that said, my second husband only smoked pot. didnt even drink. but, he didnt care in the least what me and the maid grew / ate.
i vote ya bail. easier to get growing and, a new GF , than fight it out.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18794471 - 09/03/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe show her some documentaries about the plants. She maybe had some misconceptions drilled into her in earlier years, and thus still thinks their use is immoral. I would not do it behind her back unless as a very last resort, but to betray trust like that seems wrong. Maybe don't ask her to partake with you, but only that she let you do it and give you room a few days out of the year for you to have these experiences.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18794473 - 09/03/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you spoken to your wife about this yet? Or does the topic title mean you did and she is definitely against it?
I would say try speaking to her openly and try making her understand how these are benefiting you. But if you cannot make her understand, then there's little point forcing her to.
What about friends? Do you have anyone that is also using these plants? Maybe you can make a deal to only use them outside the house?
Most important thing to make her realize is that these are of no harm to you, I think that's what matters most.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: anne halonium]
#18794482 - 09/03/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Christianity is largely based on entheogen usage, you think the Eucharist was all just "mixed wine" we all know what was mixed . 
Your wife needs to respect your views and you have the responsibility of teaching her where your spiritual standpoint stems from and hers.
Sounds to me like she's brainwashed.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Agentchewy]
#18794520 - 09/03/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bring her to an ayahuasca circle. It's religious and probably more relatable. And beautifully conducted. Its less centered on the drug and more on the communion. Just make sure she only takes a tame dose the first time so she can see the pleasant side of it
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Re: My wife objects to using plants *DELETED* [Re: jivangilad]
#18794563 - 09/03/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Post deleted by karode13Reason for deletion: Flame riddled troll puke of a response. Deleted so others don't have to read the drivel.
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I didnt smoke pot for years because my ex wife didnt "want" me to. She wound up being a pothead and fucking my drug dealer neighbor. With that said do what the fuck YOU want to do.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18794608 - 09/03/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is something that hurts me badly, because you are going to have years of life and marriage if you never get to use your natural plants again that's a long time .
I know people like this too they think God will judge us for use of the beautiful plants he put here and I just do not feel He does. I can't see were using plants that are not addictive and none harmful wrong. I can see hard drug as wrong, they rip peoples lives apart so I see that. But I think if you feel God does not see this as a problem in your life you are free to take part. If these plants and there natural medicines are not a problem for YOU then you should be able to take part in this as long as done properly and are not abusing them. She must understand that you don't feel this is wrong.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jonnymushroom]
#18794682 - 09/03/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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plant nut job. plant obsessed. plant thinks hes leory. plant trips balls. plant too old for that. plant know better.
you know what, its plant divorce.
its you puking your brains out.
its your wifes hellish nightmare camping trip
smoke some weed, dude.
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Judeanpeoplesfront said: i think you should grow some peyote for 20 years and grow the fuck up i think shrooms are a brutal fight and you can only DMT yourself so many times before its kinda like uhh dude salvia your brains out and put it in the past how old are you? do some real drugs get cranked out or something start a dex habbit smoke weed you can only primitive yourself so many times before you hate it and give in to the dust go trip a buncha shrooms as old and married as you are out at the bar and get your laughing faggot ass beat lol grow some peyote for 20 years and grow up with it you cant handle the truth ive tripped salvia to the point of being completely on fire and ive tripped dxm straight to the pit of hell and ive tripped morning glory straight to the virgin mary and acid to the wiggles and ive injected crystal meth and heroin and ive smoked strong lye based DMT and liked it
and shrooms make me cry
your a faggot dont push shrooms on your wife thats a stab a shoot thats a shoot you
ayahuasca dmt tripping... to be completely honest.... that came from... thats... thats a dangerous mixture of MAOI and tryptamines they use it to make it active but its common knowledge that its a poisonous concoction that can straight up fucking kill you. to be totally honest.... ayahuasca is a spik jungle nigger junkie with a corked bottle full of mud. a "shaman" as you would call it. dude, its a mud drink. a shaman is a jungle junkie. what are you retarded? the amazon trippers would cut your fucking head off.
grow some peyote. raise it. it will raise you.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: theRAPeutic]
#18794701 - 09/03/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hahahaha lucy why so tainted? lmao lucy why so arsenic? lucy lucy why so seizure?
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18794707 - 09/03/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry I don't have much advice to give, but I thought I'd comment on the subject. I hear about similar situations on the shroomery several times a year....Situations where there's a couple in a relationship, and one of the people in the relationship completely disagrees with or doesn't understand the others use of psychedelics.
I don't understand how a person ends up in a relationship/married to someone that doesn't agree with something that they do...in this case, using psychoactive plants. Don't relationships usually involve both people more or less having similar interests, perspective, & similar outlooks on life?
I mean how does a person that uses these psychoactive plants/cactus/mushrooms end up getting married to someone that considers them to be "satanic"?....It's really hard for me to wrap my mind around. I'd never get my self into a relationship with someone that's against something I do, or with someone that is brainwashed & closed minded in regards to things that are an important part of my life.
No offense meant by this post...it's just that I see these sorts of threads on the shroomery from time to time and really don't understand how people land them selves in these situations/relationships.
If I were in the situation, though...I'd explain to her how they work in lay-mans terms, how they're physically harmless, and their history or use.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: openmind]
#18794762 - 09/03/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well you don't have many options. I say that you just try to explain it to her and if she can't accept it then she either has to tolerate it or leave or snitch on you...so if you don't trust her...maybe you should leave, I don't know, man. Good luck.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: GreySatyr]
#18794840 - 09/03/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm shocked at the amount of people that are suggesting you leave your wife just because she doesn't condone drug use.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: openmind]
#18794888 - 09/03/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh, you think its not satanic? yes it is i can admit that to you its a fucking possession fit what are you a retard or what? this is call the pagans out man they arent fucking mellow lovey flower peace sign dude its a fucking evil cult, man all those christian nut jobs are a result of pagan brainwashing aka drug slips or ya know vise versa the blood of christ pffft blood
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: eMpire420]
#18795022 - 09/03/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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eMpire420 said: I'm shocked at the amount of people that are suggesting you leave your wife just because she doesn't condone drug use.
I'm not saying that's my advice, but it's extremely difficult in the long run to maintain a relationship when there are such fundamental differences. Drugs come with a ton of bias on both ends. It's usually not a "to each their own" scenario. Every time I used to trip my ex would get super stressed out. That's not healthy for anyone
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If you want that pussy every night you better listen to your wife. Pussy over psychedelics...maan.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: theRAPeutic]
#18795060 - 09/03/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tahp93 said: If you want that pussy every night you better listen to your wife. Pussy over psychedelics...maan.
Pussy on psychedelics
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I only read the first few posts and I cant believe some people said to divorce your wife like its no big deal?!
I would first talk to your wife and explain how you use plants for spiritual purposes. If she doesnt want anything illegal like that in or near your house then you should respect her wishes and find somewhere else to partake in these experiences. If her problem is you being involved with psychs at all, THEN you would need to proceed and really think out which is more important to you, your marriage or drugs?
I have never been married but I have been in love and I know it isnt something to just throw away. I'm not suggesting you lie to your wife, BUT maybe you go out of town on a "golf trip" for the weekend every once in a while
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I say its pretty simple dude,either hide it from her or quit. Its not like your doing meth behind her back .I'm sure it wouldn't be to hard to hide it from her and she's obviously not going to be convinced that psychedelic aren't what she thinks they are. I say have little 2 day trips with your friends and instead setup camp somewhere and trip, or trip with friends. I don't know why anyone would break off a marriage because of it unless its very essential to your life. I wish you the best of luck OP, personally I think she's uneducated and being unfair, the way I see it the bible NEVER says anything about not having herbs or cactus or mushrooms, the CLOSEST thing the bible says is not to be a drunk which I don't think applies to psychedelic use.
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Seriously_trippin said: I say its pretty simple dude,either hide it from her or quit. Its not like your doing meth behind her back .I'm sure it wouldn't be to hard to hide it from her and she's obviously not going to be convinced that psychedelic aren't what she thinks they are. I say have little 2 day trips with your friends and instead setup camp somewhere and trip, or trip with friends. I don't know why anyone would break off a marriage because of it unless its very essential to your life. I wish you the best of luck OP, personally I think she's uneducated and being unfair, the way I see it the bible NEVER says anything about not having herbs or cactus or mushrooms, the CLOSEST thing the bible says is not to be a drunk which I don't think applies to psychedelic use.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18795289 - 09/03/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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jivangilad said: She has become very much against it, after one time she took mushrooms with me, and had a bad trip.
At least she was open enough to try it!
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JacksonMetaller said:
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eMpire420 said: I'm shocked at the amount of people that are suggesting you leave your wife just because she doesn't condone drug use.
I'm not saying that's my advice, but it's extremely difficult in the long run to maintain a relationship when there are such fundamental differences....
That's what I was somewhat getting at as well...
...Except I don't see how someone would even get to the point of marriage with a person that has such an opposing view on something that's important to them.
I mean psychedelics/entheogens (what ever you want to label them) are an important part of my life, my life isn't centered around them but they're an integral part of my life. I can never see my self getting in a relationship with someone (or even being attracted to someone beyond looks) that thought these things were "satanic" and either refused to or couldn't understand why they were so important to me.
It's fine if they don't want to partake...but if they have a warped & stubborn opposing view, that's only going to drive a wedge into the marriage.
Once again...to the OP, all I can say I guess is try to explain where you're coming from and why they're important to you....you can only try to explain your self to a point, she's either going to get it or not....or you can get some mdma for the two of you , then explain your self.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants *DELETED* [Re: anne halonium]
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: miamigorob]
#18795413 - 09/03/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it's absurd to change your ways or give up something that's important to you for someone else, simply because they don't understand it and because they think it's the devil.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: openmind]
#18795540 - 09/03/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like OMs response. I guess I can't put myself in the mind of someone who's married to someone so close minded about them. That first trip after the divorce would be interesting
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18795798 - 09/03/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does she drink coffee? Tea? Eat chocolate? All of those are mind altering plants. Tell her she needs to give all of those up if she doesn't approve of plants.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Dark_Star] 2
#18795863 - 09/03/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: Does she drink coffee? Tea? Eat chocolate? All of those are mind altering plants. Tell her she needs to give all of those up if she doesn't approve of plants.
I've always seen this as a smart ass response and it will certainly make you look foolish if you bring it up in a debate with soemone about drugs. Because those things are so weak compared to something like mushrooms it's almost as if they're not psychoactive.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: s240779]
#18795901 - 09/03/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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But they are psychoactive, thus the point is valid. The foolishness is on the part of the people who chose to use them, but deny others the right to use different plants. "cause my plants are better"
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: miamigorob]
#18795904 - 09/03/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My wife has also been in an ayahuaska ceremony with me. She didn't especially like it. She was more open before to this, and even had a few good trips before with mushrooms, but then had this terrible trip. Besides thinking its satanic, it sits on a deep fear she has. I can understand even this fear, because those powerful plants can be dangerous. I am aware they are dangerous, but I feel they are calling me, and I have to use them. I spoke to her about the benefits for me, but obviously, her emotions are strong, especially fear, and therefore she doesn't understand. What makes it worse is that most people don't understand about the plants, and our christian community also greatly adds to the objection. It is hard to hide it from her, and she would feel betraid if she finds out. I did try to hide, but she found me preparing the plants, which takes long. I will also feel betraying not to tell. It is not possible for me to have time out since I have little children. I myself feel it is unfair, because I always respected her religious life, and even joined a community that follows it. My wife also doesn't like me doing meditation or yoga, and thinks it is also satanic. But she doesn't fear it so much, and doesn't disturb me about it that much.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18795922 - 09/03/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can point out to her that since they exist, God had to invent them.
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jivangilad said: I did try to hide, but she found me preparing the plants, which takes long.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18795954 - 09/03/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My wife also doesn't like me doing meditation or yoga, and thinks it is also satanic.
I think it's time you two have a proper sit down, and explain to her how things are. You're practically a hippie, doing yoga, meditation and feeling the call of the plants. This is you.
She's some mainstream Jesus-worshiper. This is her.
These are important make-or-break differences that have to be discussed and harmonized. Either you ruin your relationship by trying to stress each other into the other's way of thinking, or you learn to accept that you're a hippie and a Christian lady in a marriage. It can be made to work if she learns to chill and tolerate, but this calling Satan has to stop, or it's not going to end well.
If that doesn't work, tell her that her Jesus worshiping disturbs the Feng Shui of the place, affects the flow of Force and brings bad Karma in future incarnations, and if you can't use your plants, you'll quit from her weird Jesus cult
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18796066 - 09/03/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know how it is OP. Im in the same shitty situation. I used to smoke so much weed and a little bit of mushrooms while we dated in college. She would smoke with me. Then i quit everything except alcohol to get a job out of college.
4 years later I was between jobs and had time to smoke a few times. She freaked out and was going to divorce me over it. Now im back into mushrooms and just tell her im going out drinking and do it at a friends house.
Im pretty sure she only cared because all she sees me as is the pay check. I have to put up with it for my kids though.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: grower182]
#18796150 - 09/03/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If she thinks youre spending too much money of weed or mushrooms then she is dumb, no offese. Going out for a night of drinking can be way more expensive than a mushroom trip lol
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: grower182]
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Thanks, Spacerific. I guess this has to be done. We should make those things clear. We need to find the ways to do it, although, I cannot think exactly how right now.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18797456 - 09/04/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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jivangilad said: Thanks, Spacerific. I guess this has to be done. We should make those things clear. We need to find the ways to do it, although, I cannot think exactly how right now.
Simple my good man, feed her some MDMA, take some as well, and then talk about life
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
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I'm in a similar boat. I tripped like crazy before I met my wife. Then, during the years after I was done tripping, we met, got married and had kids. Now I'm back into psychedelics and she wants no part of it. She'd hit the roof if she knew I grew shrooms, did many microdoses around her, and tripped balls while she was away. I'm still working on her.. back in 1990 I got her to trip on acid with me, my one trip after my teenage years and before my recent return. It was her only time and she had a blast. As far as divorce, it wouldn't happen over this. We've been together over 25 years and we both plan to be together until the end. I love her, she's great. It would take something much bigger than me tripping to split us up. One of us would have to cheat for that to happen.
Her reasons for not tripping make some sense. She worries about the kids a lot, she worries about her elderly sick parents, she worries about all of her domestic responsibilities. She doesn't want to be in a head space where she's having anxiety attacks about all this stuff. I totally get that. The part I hate is her rap about how it's illegal, and "why do you need to do that stuff to be happy?". She just doesn't get it.. at least right now.. I think once the kids are moved out and her parents are gone she'll be in my camp. Until then I'll keep it secret from her and I won't worry about it.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18799520 - 09/04/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree on that mdma suggestion.. if that would ever happen
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: miamigorob]
#18799562 - 09/04/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would just tell her I like to eat cactus and morning glory seeds and reconnect with nature and myself
without mentioning mushrooms etc.
doesn't sound so satanic as the evil mushroom that grows in the shade, eats rotten flesh/debree and your soul by making you think it is a good spirit 
Christianity is an illness for some
if you are happy+motivated to go out and meet people etc. a long time after tripping without needing anything, you don't have a problem if you need to trip again every week, or if tripping isolates you/makes you forget your activities you got a problem
ask her to accept you as you are, without judging what you do when you don't hurt others and you're eating natural plants that have been eaten by shamans for thousands of years
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: miamigorob]
#18799576 - 09/04/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck man. talk it out. if that doesn't work, than maybe consider leaving.
My girl was against it at first, but since the psychs have made me so much more myself, she has learned to lovem. Well, for me anyway. she doesnt use.
Don't ask her to like them, ask her to like you.
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So I have this girl that I like, we were together for a few months, then apart (she left the country, planned move since before we met) then had some more fun again for a few weeks (I was staying over) and we still totally like each other.
Now thing is, on one hand I like her just the way she is, she's IMO pretty close to perfect as girls go (as far as one can hope I mean) but on the other hand I feel sad I can't really share the psy realms with her.
I like and respect her too much to even try pushing her in this direction, I feel her keeping clean is a great option for her, on the other hand I know that having a relationship with the shared psychedelic layer, is generally deeper and more meaningful than one without it.
No idea what to do about her, just wanted to share. Anybody else in a similar place?
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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18800536 - 09/04/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ive been with my girlfriend for 9 years. 2 kids who are 11 and 7, its ok for her to drink around the kids but she gets pissy if im up by myself tripping. Its not really an argument or fight, i just hear "when you going to grow up?" lol. Says im not a teenager any more. sad but true. She also used to think I was going to hurt myself or do something stupid. Which is possible while on anything. But we talked and i told her that with proper education, set and setting and the right dose the chances of something bad happening was low. I also got a test kit and demonstrated it, showing her that yes im doing this but atleast im being responsible as possible. I dunno i don't know your wife but just communicate with her. Show her you can be responsible and that you're not just doing it to get fucked up.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: aw11driver]
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WTF, thread hijack from hell.
Also, that belongs in the relationship forum... This does too really but whatever.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: aw11driver]
#18800739 - 09/04/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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One argument that I've been working on is the fact that psilocybin helps with migraine cluster headaches. My wife (of 25 years who tripped once but doesn't want to now) gets serious headaches each month around the time of her period. When it's happening she's in hell - she throws up, she stays in a dark room and cry's from the pain. That's when I start talking about the research at Johns Hopkins. I think she'll give in soon because I have her on the record saying that when she's in the middle of one of her migraines, she would give/do/take anything if it would help.
I really want to trip with her again. We had so much fun when we did it 22 years ago. It was new years eve. We watch some of the Twilight Zone marathon, made love in front of the fireplace, listened to Pink Floyd and laughed until our faces hurt. One of the best nights of my life. I want that again!
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Universe]
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We had so much fun when we did it 22 years ago. It was new years eve. We watch some of the Twilight Zone marathon, made love in front of the fireplace, listened to Pink Floyd and laughed until our faces hurt. One of the best nights of my life. I want that again!
How can two people have that kind of awesome amazing time and then not do it again for 22 years? 
What even remotely logical explanation can there be for such a thing?
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18800886 - 09/04/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some conscious brainwashing so deeply engrained that it could scar a man or woman for life and make them feel immoral for some positive experience that could lead to a healthy life long spiritual connection with someone that love dearly. Strange world we live in, ain't it?
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad] 1
#18801114 - 09/04/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote her some bible verses:
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Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you
If she refuses to respect your feelings on the matter things aren't going to get better. It would be sad to have to hide this aspect of your life from her if it came down to it. My wife doesn't like to smoke weed or trip, but she realizes it's something I like to do from time to time. Marriage shouldn't be a dictatorship and she shouldn't be playing god and telling you what's good for you.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
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Spacerific said: So I have this girl that I like, we were together for a few months, then apart (she left the country, planned move since before we met) then had some more fun again for a few weeks (I was staying over) and we still totally like each other.
Now thing is, on one hand I like her just the way she is, she's IMO pretty close to perfect as girls go (as far as one can hope I mean) but on the other hand I feel sad I can't really share the psy realms with her.
I like and respect her too much to even try pushing her in this direction, I feel her keeping clean is a great option for her, on the other hand I know that having a relationship with the shared psychedelic layer, is generally deeper and more meaningful than one without it.
No idea what to do about her, just wanted to share. Anybody else in a similar place?
For me it was very important, that my partner has a spiritual path, rather then it will be the same as mine. It might get boring when you are too similar, I know from other partners I have had.. But the differences between us have made me more tolerant, and I have learned a lot, from adopting her path. I have learned a lot from following the path of jesus, rather then being arrogant, and saying that those missionaries have nothing to teach me. I dont agree with their secterianism, but I have learned a lot from it. My parents are orthodox jews, and it was important from me that she will convert to judaism, for them. It was a long and demanding proccess, and she was very sad that she had to deny jesus at one point. But she also learned from it, and me too. But it was very important for me that she follows her religion, as I know this is her spiritual path , and I have been baptised. I follow this path with her, and it adds a spiritual dimension to our relationship, and makes me more tolerant. Any way I think that my relations with the plants, is mainly with the plants, and not with others. So obviously there are difficulties in this differences, as my post imply.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18806398 - 09/06/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Any way I think that my relations with the plants, is mainly with the plants, and not with others.
Have you tried tripping with her together? I mean both on the same plant or shroom? IMO that right there adds a far richer level to your relationship (with any human, friend, wife, whatever) than say, mumbling from the same book or hanging out at the same church / temple. Personal opinion of course, your mileage may differ.
I just want to stress that tripping alone is a lot like drinking alcohol alone (if that's the only tripping one ever does). There are very good reasons why that's seen as unhealthy, much more so than drinking socially. It's a psychological, social thing, it can lead to more alienation, rather than harmonious integration.
I don't know what can be more interesting for a couple to do, than have this kind of deep, shared experience together.       
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18806466 - 09/06/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can two people have that kind of awesome amazing time and then not do it again for 22 years? 
What even remotely logical explanation can there be for such a thing?
Easy answer... 1) Availability - I don't know anyone who sells drugs. 2) We brought up two kids. 3) We both had busy jobs.
Now things are different. 1) I grow things. 2) The kids are almost all grown up. 3) I have my own business which allows both of us to bum around half of the time.
Three great reasons to get back into psychedelics! Now I just have to convince her.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Universe]
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I feel for some of you guys my ex was nottttt into it. My current gf however, I have to keep in check
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If I had to choose between my wife and psychedelics, then psychedelics would get the boot. It's a no brainer.. Tripping is important to me, but having a woman who loves me and will stay with me until the end.. nothing can compare to that. I'd much rather reduce psychedelics to a memory than her.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
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That's a tough one dude. I guess the best advice I have to give is to try to respect her opinion and where she's coming from, but at the same time, you have to think about how important these plants are to you.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18806824 - 09/06/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My wife also doesn't like me doing meditation or yoga, and thinks it is also satanic. But she doesn't fear it so much, and doesn't disturb me about it that much.
What?
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To Long Didn't Read: Marriage is a pointless endevour that retards your personal growth. You should do what you want, when you want, at all times. Christians are not to be messed with. YOU ARE RIGHT.
All contained herein, is my opinion, and advice derived from personal experience. Nothing more. Use at your own risk.
I think people put way too much importance on marriage. It doesn't mean anything, it is imaginary, it is not sacred. If the person you are with is not right for you, LEAVE. Married or not. It's really simple.
Don't try to change someone. Trying to change someone is the worst insult you can possibly ever give them.
"Hey I don't like you the way you are, could you please change your mind about this thing over here? Why? Because it suits ME." People will change if you put in enough "work", but they will only resent you for not loving them how they are, it can only turn bad. Respect their wishes, absolutely. Respect their beliefs, no matter how funky they may be, absolutely. Then say goodbye.
Furthermore, there is no WORK involved in love between two people who match. If you have to do WORK, to make a relationship run properly, you don't need to be there.
Plant usage, to a lot of us here on the Shroomery, IS OUR RELIGION(so too speak). Do you respect her religious beliefs? I would bet you do, you are on this forum doing exactly that right now. And that's awesome man but respect is not a one way street. I say leave, don't look back, don't be sad.
I guarantee you, there is nothing that this woman has, that another woman doesn't also have, and probably right down the street. We will all of us, have lots of soulmates before our part in the game is through. And that is a wonderful thing! There isn't a reason under the sun that I have personally found, to EVER EVER EVER even entertain the idea of being with someone forever, building a life around them, no matter how perfect they might be. If you put all your eggs in one basket, you are always fucking yourself. Forever, till death do us part, that is a bad idea of the church, nothing more. That is the fallacy of security, of closure, control. You finally got that relationship thing covered, never have to worry about it again. HAHA, yea right. Human beings aren't meant to stay with one person, OBVIOUSLY. Take a look in any direction, and you will see someone unhappily tied to someone else, its ridiculous. Ducks stay together forever in most cases. They have everything in common, because they are entirely 2 dimensional. Humans are not this way, you will never, ever find someone exactly like you. We are islands, as it has been said, and no one will ever know you, you will never truly know anyone else. Find someone who enjoys what you do, at this point in your life. It is about sharing time, laughs, fun, ideas, love. Not your entire life. You will change, many times over. And certain people and worn out places and used up toys will become irrelevant in your life. This is not a sad thing. Get over it, LET GO, move on. If the psychedelic experience has taught us anything, it is THAT. Let go.
You shouldn't be afraid to defend your dream of life from anyone, be it your best friend or lover or parent or whoever. Fight for it, if some bullshit christian ideal is keeping you from expressing yourself, then fucking obliterate the source of its influence on your life.
Main point I want to make is this, if you want to live a healthy happy life, free to pursue your own pleasures, your own brand of spirituality, STAY AWAY FROM CHRISTIANS. Far away, cross the street if you see one, don't let it infect you, sure as hell DO NOT MARRY ONE. RUN. Personally, I refuse to even be friends with one. I've given plenty of them, plenty of chances to prove their worth, but they have none. Yea I am a very intolerant person, I hate stupid people, sorry.
If someone truly loved you, wouldn't they want you to do whatever it was that made you happy? The answer is of course yes. And if the answer was no, then monogamy is a relationship built on jealousy and possessiveness. Gross.
Case fucking closed.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Habadashery] 1
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Case fucking closed.
Hardly....LOL You are young and have a lot to learn. One day you'll fall in love and you'll see that your whole rap is a load of shit. I wish you the best.
That rap is good when you're in your 20's and still a rebel. I was there. That scene gets old.. and you get old with it. I feel sorry for people who get up into their 40's - 50's and older without ever getting married. I feel even worse for people who are married, middle aged and never had kids because they spent years clubbing and still live like teenagers. Once the thrill of youth is behind you (which will happen if you stay alive), family becomes the most important thing. Much more important than drugs, more important than living a life that's all about "me". I'd rather die young than become an old stoner with no wife or kids who did what he wanted to do. I know some people like that and they're dirt bags. Me - I'm a husband, a dad, and I can't wait to add grampa to the list.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Universe]
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: rikuni]
#18807271 - 09/06/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Like I said, just my opinion.
I feel like you got the impression all i do is do drugs and sleep around. Not even close. I don't club, and I don't like bars, never go to em. I just strongly disagree with monogamy and marriage and organized religion :P
I really can't believe though that so many people actually want to stay with one person their whole life, unreal.
I guess I'm the minority? Good.
I took my fathers advice to heart, "son, marriage is death". Hes the best, kindest, smartest human being I know personally, and his advice never steered me wrong. He never wanted kids, never liked them. Had me, changed his mind entirely. Yea, no kidding.
You must have kids if you are telling me that shit rats are needed for a complete and healthy life. No shit rats for me!
Different strokes I guess. Still think the dude should leave her.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: rikuni]
#18807300 - 09/06/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Double post, sorry!
Edited by Habadashery (09/06/13 12:35 PM)
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
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Have you tried tripping with her together? I mean both on the same plant or shroom? IMO that right there adds a far richer level to your relationship (with any human, friend, wife, whatever) than say, mumbling from the same book or hanging out at the same church / temple. Personal opinion of course, your mileage may differ.
I just want to stress that tripping alone is a lot like drinking alcohol alone (if that's the only tripping one ever does). There are very good reasons why that's seen as unhealthy, much more so than drinking socially. It's a psychological, social thing, it can lead to more alienation, rather than harmonious integration.
I don't know what can be more interesting for a couple to do, than have this kind of deep, shared experience together.        
I know what you say my friend. We have been tripping a few times together. It does add dimension to the relationship. But also reading the bible and singing worship songs together, and being in a religious community, adds a spiritual dimension to the relationship. I am just saying this things of course that apply to our specific life, and to my life. I am not saying that it will apply to your life. I can say, for example that following jesus teaching, I have learned thing that I didn't learn with the plants( and vice verse). If you feel that right now for you the psychedelic is a major issue for you, then you know. But I say as a possibility that maybe if you could try to be more open to other possibilities, things could surprise you, and you could learn other things. So for example, I already knew about plant experiences, but I didn't know much about religion, and therefore meeting my wife, I have learned things that I didn't know. So it might be easier and applying to have someone that thinks exactly the same, but sometime you might learn more from the difficulty of meeting someone that thinks differently. So you might say that you are open minded and accepts everyone, but then you hang around with people the same like you, so its not a challenge. But again this things are very personal.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Universe]
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Universe said: If I had to choose between my wife and psychedelics, then psychedelics would get the boot. It's a no brainer.. Tripping is important to me, but having a woman who loves me and will stay with me until the end.. nothing can compare to that. I'd much rather reduce psychedelics to a memory than her.
I hope it shouldn't be either or. As other have pointed out, there might be a way which you can have both of them, with right communication, and knowing what is important to you, etc.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18807856 - 09/06/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Habadashery, I think your position is a bit extreme. Not in general, but in this particular instance. OP clearly has put a lot of effort into his marriage and seems happy with other parts of it. He doesn't seem to be oppressed and persecuted in it, on all levels. This is a "my lady is afraid of plants" problem, not a "I hate my life because of her" problem, and how to leave her asap.
I'm not big on monogamy either, especially not marriage. I just think this "just dump her" approach is extreme and unrealistic in this case.
If anything, I'm sad for the wife leading her life as a bible mumbling clearhead, but yeah you can't take away people's right to torment themselves masochistically, in any way they please
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
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Maybe extreme, yes. But gambling your life and freedom to face the nearly impossible odds of actually parting at death. Is pretty damn extreme whether we realize it or not.
Life is a game of extremes! Play hard! There IS room for do overs in this case. Up to this guy.
Go team Shroomery!
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Habadashery]
#18809112 - 09/06/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What exactly is her reason for "disliking plants?" I mean, we eat plants, they're healthy for you, I'm sure she's ok eating them at least, right? Is she against alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine? All three come from plants, sure for alcohol you need to ferment your grains, but you can't make alcohol without grains (or fruits/plants. This just makes no sense. Does disliking 'plants' imply she's ok with pharmaceuticals for that matter? All opiates come from the poppy plant. All amphetamines are related to ephedra baring plants. I really don't see the distinction tbh, it's arbitrary. Does this imply she's fine with acid? What about synthesized mescaline? I just don't get it... she realized mushrooms aren't even a plant right?
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Habadashery]
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Habadashery said: Maybe extreme, yes. But gambling your life and freedom to face the nearly impossible odds of actually parting at death. Is pretty damn extreme whether we realize it or not.
Life is a game of extremes! Play hard! There IS room for do overs in this case. Up to this guy.
Go team Shroomery!
I'm with you 100% actually, I'm all for mushroom-powered orgy tribes like McKenna talks about, community over this weird artificial 2 humans couple idea. I can't believe Romans used to have orgies without any real birth or STD control, and we today in the 21st century are not doing anything of the sort, clinging to unbelievably misguided Christian bullshit. Believe me I get all that.
That being said, OP has made his choice of lifestyle, and that's his alone to make. He chooses to stay with this woman, of his own free will and for his own reasons. You can't really say that your ideas are better, only better for you. If you've found your nice 2 ladies and are living it up in a mushroom menage a trois, swimming in the healthy waves of tits and trips and pussy, more power to you. I follow the same path. OP has chosen otherwise, and I think we should respect that.
I only wish some more wisdom and insight on his Christian wife, that they may both end up tripping, praying, and living in harmony together for a long time, like they both wanted in the first place when they hooked up.
Good vibes OP, bring some good plant wisdom into that house
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad] 1
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If plants are satanic then why did god put them on the earth? Bitches be crazy
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Dawks]
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Maybe Satan put em here? Who put the mushrooms though?
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: krypto2000]
#19902001 - 04/26/14 06:22 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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After a few months of taking Ayahuaska weekly without my wife knowing , she found out about it. She got upset and threatened divorce. But after a few days, I think she kind of started to accept it.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19902010 - 04/26/14 06:29 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Weekly ayahuasca, huh? How high was the dose/how intense?
Thanks for the update, by the way.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: s240779]
#19902046 - 04/26/14 06:56 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Back when I was on the horse(first 2 years at university) I had a many a girlfriend with this same problem. The answer here is peer pressure, bring them to the perfect setting where they can't resist be as romantic and charming as possible. If you do it right she'll see the light and the true nature of the plants and who knows maybe she'll enjoy it. Yeah all the drinking girls in college who's parents taught them not to use "illegal substances" but all they do is down beer and whiskey all day. I turned them all into hippies. Yes I did. And they loved it!
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Dude. I would seriously be worried about someone who thinks meditation is Satanic. Seriously. Even more so to find myself married to someone like this.
Here is what I see a lot: Guys marry girls primarily for their looks and overlook certain other shortcomings. Like bitchiness, bossiness, intolerance, dogmatic attitude. Be assured that looks is never enough.
Your partner doesn't have to be just like you. But she has to understand that she is your partner, not your ruler.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: openmind]
#19903105 - 04/26/14 12:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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openmind said: I don't understand how a person ends up in a relationship/married to someone that doesn't agree with something that they do...in this case, using psychoactive plants.
That's easy to answer. I was married a long time before I re-discovered my earlier-in-life, long-forgotten interest in psychedelics, and subsequently established a network to obtain/cultivate said plants/products and took up the pastime once again.
That's how it happens.
My solution was to keep my psychedelic use a complete secret and trip only when my wife is out of town. Her family lives 5 hours away, and she goes to see them often enough so it isn't a burden to me to wait on those occasions.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19903397 - 04/26/14 02:11 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Spacerific said: So I have this girl that I like, we were together for a few months, then apart (she left the country, planned move since before we met) then had some more fun again for a few weeks (I was staying over) and we still totally like each other.
Now thing is, on one hand I like her just the way she is, she's IMO pretty close to perfect as girls go (as far as one can hope I mean) but on the other hand I feel sad I can't really share the psy realms with her.
I like and respect her too much to even try pushing her in this direction, I feel her keeping clean is a great option for her, on the other hand I know that having a relationship with the shared psychedelic layer, is generally deeper and more meaningful than one without it.
No idea what to do about her, just wanted to share. Anybody else in a similar place?
For me it was very important, that my partner has a spiritual path, rather then it will be the same as mine. It might get boring when you are too similar, I know from other partners I have had.. But the differences between us have made me more tolerant, and I have learned a lot, from adopting her path. I have learned a lot from following the path of jesus, rather then being arrogant, and saying that those missionaries have nothing to teach me. I dont agree with their secterianism, but I have learned a lot from it. My parents are orthodox jews, and it was important from me that she will convert to judaism, for them. It was a long and demanding proccess, and she was very sad that she had to deny jesus at one point. But she also learned from it, and me too. But it was very important for me that she follows her religion, as I know this is her spiritual path , and I have been baptised. I follow this path with her, and it adds a spiritual dimension to our relationship, and makes me more tolerant. Any way I think that my relations with the plants, is mainly with the plants, and not with others. So obviously there are difficulties in this differences, as my post imply.
I do not understand this my brother. If she is so attached to her Christian faith how could she ever deny Jesus? Wow. That is pretty outrageous if she can sit there and deny Jesus as her savior and then bitch at you for being satanic. She is in no position to ever say anything ever again. She put her faith under the bus just for a man. Ultimate truth for something so transitory and impermanent. She needs to keep her mouth shut and think about what she has done. And if you are so Jewish and non Christian you have no business getting baptized. Sounds like you both lied to your parents and manipulated people to get what you wanted. Sounds like you both have alot of thinking to do. Psychedellics are the least of your worries at this point in my opinion.
I'm editing this post now to take back the last sentance where I said psychedelics are the last of your worries, because maybe you could learn something good from it.
Edited by SixStripsDeep (04/26/14 02:32 PM)
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But I definitely am very ignorant myself, and do not have the final final answer on much in this world. So take what I said with a gain of salt. Because I could just be a worthless bumbling idiot. I don't think I'm that stupid tho but I could just be fooling myself, only time can tell.
Edited by SixStripsDeep (04/26/14 02:24 PM)
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19903590 - 04/26/14 03:16 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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jivangilad said: Before marriage I have been using plants, and it cured me profoundly emotionally and mentally, and had profound spiritual experiences. I am married 7 years. I have been using plants here and there during marriage. My wife is very afraid of these and also being christian, thinks its satanic. She has become very much against it, after one time she took mushrooms with me, and had a bad trip. Partly to make peace, and after speaking with our pastor which supported her, I agreed to stop it for one year. This year is about to finish and I feel like the plants call me to use them. I just want to use the plants a few times a year, as I did before. (Trichocereus cactus, with a mix of Syrian rue seed which has similarities of effect to Ayahuska.) Any suggestions?
2 issues
1. Your wife is a Christian. EVERYTHING to them is a sin..EVERYTHING 2. You are taking orders from your wife. Be a MAN. You do have a dick, right?
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19903849 - 04/26/14 04:36 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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jivangilad said: After a few months of taking Ayahuaska weekly without my wife knowing , she found out about it. She got upset and threatened divorce. But after a few days, I think she kind of started to accept it.
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How can she threaten divorce? That's against her religion. Christians have to stay together until death or its considered adultery if she leaves you and gets with another man
She can however leave you and never date anyone again
All according to her religion
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19905249 - 04/26/14 11:17 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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jivangilad said: After a few months of taking Ayahuaska weekly without my wife knowing , she found out about it. She got upset and threatened divorce. But after a few days, I think she kind of started to accept it.
Let me guess- She was more pissed at you for doing it behind her back than she was at what you were doing. She's pissed because she thought you wouldn't do it, but you went ahead and did it anyway. And if you do that with psychedelics, then who knows what else you're doing. It's a trust thing. Meanwhile, you're not cheating or doing anything of the sort, so her case isn't what she thinks it is. You're not deceitful, in fact it's really the opposite. You're being honest with yourself about what you want to do. These broads - instead of making things difficult, they need to get on board.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19905303 - 04/26/14 11:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most people that are strong strong Christians are very closed minded sad but true I don't claim to be Christian nor do I claim to be aithist but I believe there is a higher power whether it be a man,women, a turtle carrying the universe on its back, or this is all just a big illusion there's something bigger people who are against psychedelics or medical plants grew up around alcohol,cigarets,crack or heroin but more people will die this year from prescribed medication than heroin and cocain combined this year and the docture don't care it's money in there pocket to pay off the payments on their new porche but on the note of bein Christian if god didn't want us to consume rue or cacti he would have made it to where it would kill us,There are men in the amazon over 130 years old who have never gone to a hospital but every time they where sick they took ayahuasca and was health the next day shit it cures anything from a cold to Parkinson's anyways that's just my 2 cents
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Nature Boy] 1
#19905340 - 04/26/14 11:39 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said:
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openmind said: I don't understand how a person ends up in a relationship/married to someone that doesn't agree with something that they do...in this case, using psychoactive plants.
That's easy to answer. I was married a long time before I re-discovered my earlier-in-life, long-forgotten interest in psychedelics, and subsequently established a network to obtain/cultivate said plants/products and took up the pastime once again.
That's how it happens.
My solution was to keep my psychedelic use a complete secret and trip only when my wife is out of town. Her family lives 5 hours away, and she goes to see them often enough so it isn't a burden to me to wait on those occasions.
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she must wonder why you get so happy when she's about to go see her family...
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jboredone]
#20750293 - 10/25/14 04:07 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I want to inform, more then a year after I started the thread. After a lot of difficult struggle, including objection of my parents and our religious leaders I think we have managed to reach some peace. We have had a conversation in which my wife asked me to tell her the truth of when I am using Ayahuaska, and to do it in times and places that she agrees. And therefore with this compromise we have reached into agreement. From my point of view it is a compromise since I cannot do it on night time, which I prefare. I think her agreement relates both to the fact of my insistence, and that she sees the god results of the medicine on me. Just to explain to those who don't understand her behavior. I think it is understandable that people fear hallucinogenic plant. And also she has many good qualities in her. you cannot throw away the person because you don't agree on a few issues. I have learned and grown a lot from this relationship from both similarities and differences. I assume this is the way in every relationship. One interesting method is Imago and the book "Getting the Love You Want" that explains that power struggle is normal and overcoming it is a way to heal. I suspect those who don't understand it might not have been in relationship long enough. Also one of the things one learns from the plants is to care and respect how other people feel, and I feel it is my responsibility to reduce her stress.
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