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does the christian belief cause serial killers?
    #18793536 - 09/03/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I just finished watching this drama based on the real life serial killer, John Haigh who murdered people and then dissolved their bodies in vats of acid and poured the results down grates in his 'workshop' and outside. He thought that without a body it is the perfect murder.

Anyway the drama began when he was a boy, and you saw him brought up by Plymouth Brethren parents who believed they were the elect, and singled him out from other kids they said were bad. So he was isolated in this grim joyless household.

I suddenly remembered that Aleister Crowley had also been brought up like this. His parents were also of the Plymouth Brethren, and we know what he was like! Thought of himself as the "wickedest man in the world---Beast 666" and talked about how great for 'magick' it is to sacrifice young boys etc etc.

So then I wondered, hmmmmm how connected is Christian belief with the 'making' of serial killers, and found this article:
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Serial Killers:

The FBI gave the standard profile of a serial killer, He is a person with few friends. He became much more religious just before he started murdering people. After reading all the available studies I could find and studying all the articles in the newspapers for over 30 years, I find what is most outstanding is Serial killers were sexually inhibited by their strong religious upbringing.

Nearly all serial killers are very devout men who were raised by members of Pentecostal sects, fundamentalist Catholics or were 'hard-shell' Baptists and Methodists."




Studies after study show serial killers are a product of this environment, not genetics. [read more at website]

What are you own thoughts on this?


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Re: does the christian belief cause serial killers? [Re: zzripz]
    #18793551 - 09/03/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

People only murder for three C's.

Church
Cunt
Capital


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Re: does the christian belief cause serial killers? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18793578 - 09/03/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Christianity has always caused death and suffering, and it will until its gone.
And its day is coming.

I agree with your theory Zz.
The lifestyle Christian parents expose their children too is highly conducive to mental illness.


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Re: does the christian belief cause serial killers? [Re: zzripz]
    #18794185 - 09/03/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Severe repression CAN result in a compensatory derepression, but serial killer is an overcompensation that goes beyond the pale. It was obvious to me that the boys and girls who attended the Catholic school in my hometown, which went from 1st to 8th grade, and then began to attend public junior high and high school, were some of the biggest fighters and sluts in my public schools. If a kid transferred earlier, say 7th grade instead of 9th grade, there were two fewer years of repression, and those kids were more easily enculturated. I read in an abnormal psych text that some babies fought against being held and caressed. Perhaps they were autistic, but the claim was that longitudinal studies showed that those babies evidenced psychopathy later on. Those studies suggested a genetic propensity to psychopathy. Nature vs. nurture is an artificial distinction. It may be a 'pendulum swing' in which both factors contribute, and one or the other might catalyze the aberrant behavior. Or, as the Chinese say of synchronistic phenomenon, ''some things like to occur with others.'

It isn't "Christian religion," per se that has negative effects. It is how certain religious teachings are spun and used. The celibacy of Catholic clergy has profoundly pathological effects on Catholics. Probably one of the most liberating effects of the Protestant Reformation was due to the derepression of sexuality that Martin Luther spoke of as a stress reducer, when he as a former Augustinian monk got married. Catholic catechisms for children stress the superiority of celibate clergy over family life. Without intending to disparage homosexuality, there is a portion of homosexual men and women who hate the opposite sex. This is clearly a pathological extreme, but undoubtedly the inquisitioners who set upon 'wise women,' midwives, and herbalists as witches, perpetrating unspeakable tortures, were of this sadistic misogynistic type. Today's exposure of pedophilic priests goes all the way back in history, which is not to say that mummified babies were not found walled up in convent walls, fathered by straight or bisexual priests. Not all priests are gay, just a majority in my experience. I once had the job of working as therapist to screen those seminarians whom I discerned were not right for the priesthood. Being gay was the given, and that was irrelevant. Frequenting leather bars and seeking sodomy from anonymous men in pitch-black back rooms, and waking up still drunk under a tree somewhere at sunrise, were the kind of things that I had to recommend against ordination. :lol:

Serial killers seem to favor victims who in some way share commonalities. They may be recapitulating the murder of the same internalized target again and again. The off-target victim may be collateral damage. I had murderous fantasies about my tall bottle-blonde ex-wife for a couple of years, but i neither acted on them, or generalized to other tall blondes which I still find highly attractive. A serial killer might go after his ex-wife and any female who reminded him of the ex-wife in an unquenchable blood quest. :shrug: I'm sure that there are different motives that may eventuate in serial killings, but the teachings of Iesous to love one another, and to love God at the center of real Christianity has no ability to instigate violence, while all the guilt, shame, self-recriminations, and judgement can do a lot to warp the psyche.


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