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InvisibleIcelander
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Re: Atheist Buddhist? [Re: Deviate]
    #18802320 - 09/05/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I see just as much arrogance and stupidity among the so called "spiritual" as the non spiritual.

As and atheist or agnostic I can appreciate the psychological truths in buddhism or any religion without buying the whole package much of which is likely nonsense imo.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Atheist Buddhist? [Re: Icelander]
    #18802340 - 09/05/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I see just as much arrogance and stupidity among the so called "spiritual" as the non spiritual.




How are you defining spiritual people?

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As and atheist or agnostic I can appreciate the psychological truths in buddhism or any religion without buying the whole package much of which is likely nonsense imo.




I don't understand why you couldn't do that as a theist also. If you have time, I also wouldn't mind hearing you elaborate on which aspects of Buddism are nonsense and your method for separating the truth from the nonsense in Buddhism.


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Re: Atheist Buddhist? [Re: Deviate]
    #18802366 - 09/05/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I define spiritual people as those that call themselves spiritual.

I think the Buddha's ideas on the causes of suffering or the unsatisfactoriness of life are psychologically spot on.

The belief that the buddha was more than a man who discovered psychological truths doesn't make sense imo as there is no evidence of him being anything other than that.  For example. Just because people believe him to be a god doesn't make him one.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Atheist Buddhist? [Re: Deviate]
    #18802451 - 09/05/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

buddhists don't believe Buddha to be a god - though some deify him after his enlightenment, but i think most if not all think he was a human being who reached enlightenment. Hindus on the other hand have incorporated Buddha into their worldview by considering him a divine incarnation of Vishnu - and the teachings which are at odds with Hindu beliefs are said to be his way of purposely misleading certain groups of people :lol:

but I agree with Deviate in that the term atheist, while technically true for most Buddhists, isn't fitting due to it's modern usage to typically mean someone who rejects anything beyond physicality. rebirth, karma, etc. i don't think are very appealing notions to most people who self-identify as atheists


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Re: Atheist Buddhist? [Re: deff]
    #18802480 - 09/05/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IMO they are only unappealing because there is not any real evidence that they exist.  In the same way an atheist does not believe in a god due to lack of evidence.  They don't or should not claim to "know" there is no god. That would be hubris.


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Re: Atheist Buddhist? [Re: Deviate]
    #18802545 - 09/05/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Awakening, enlightenment, and even Nirvana can all be attained without spirituality. Awakening doesnt have to have anything to do with spirit. SOME Buddhists believe in the Bardo and the many dieties. SOME dont.

You simply cant rip on Buddhism because its not founded on outdated canon containing hate speech and contradiction. That's why atheists cant really hate it. Atheists dont really hate religion, they hate people not thinking for themselves. At least thats my experience with my circle of Atheists.


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Re: Atheist Buddhist? [Re: Yogi1]
    #18802567 - 09/05/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Atheists dont really hate religion, they hate people not thinking for themselves. At least thats my experience with my circle of Atheists.


Same with my atheist friends.  Usually religion isn't even on their radar and they rarely speak about it. They came to their conclusions long ago and know that the religious aren't listening.  They have other interests.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Atheist Buddhist? [Re: Icelander]
    #18802825 - 09/05/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I see just as much arrogance and stupidity among the so called "spiritual" as the non spiritual.

As and atheist or agnostic I can appreciate the psychological truths in buddhism or any religion without buying the whole package much of which is likely nonsense imo.




strongly agree


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