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First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved?
    #18788570 - 09/02/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hi everyone, in the process of finishing my first grow. stoked! though i was a little sad to find my mushies are fairly puny. like, the biggest of them are not even as tall as a lighter. though i dunked for a solid 22 hours, then rolled, i feel a couple factors contributed to my midget shrooms. my cakes are a little smaller than normal, since wide mouthed 1/2 pint jars arent available in my part of the world. more importantly, while fruiting i mistook aerial mycelium for cobweb mold and sprayed them with some H202 and then cranked up the FAE on my PMP. i think i cranked it up too high and compensated the humidity (no hydrometer), resulting in some mini-shrooms (see pics below).

Other than the tiny size, the cakes seem very healthy. lots of pins, no contams. Granted I dunk, roll and use a terrarium with the proper humidity, can I expect mushrooms of a healthy size for the 2nd flush? or will i have to wait for my next mycology experiment to see some decent size caps?

here are some pics of my first flush, of my first grow. despite the minisize, so inspired by this whole experiment and extraordinarily excited for future endeavors into mycology!







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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: sabo]
    #18788646 - 09/02/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You should have used your own shit as a substrate like you were talking about :grin:


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: HiLIFE]
    #18788652 - 09/02/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

hahaha :laugh: lesson learned ;-)


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: sabo]
    #18788737 - 09/02/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It looks like low fae.

How much is your pump pumping?

Gal/hr?  Your aiming for a number 3 times the amount of space in your fruiting chamber.


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: blojo02184]
    #18788847 - 09/02/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

the air pump has two pumps pumping 2000cc of air per min. that air is distributed along 3 air stones on each side, for a total of 6 air stones. im not sure of the volume of my terrarium but it is quite large, second to largest available at Carrefour. i dont know how the ratios really compare and wasnt aware of that being a factor in making the PMP.

would u suggest getting a smaller tub and transferring the cakes into that? do i want to use all 6 air stones for my PMP? or do i want only two air stones on either side pumping out stronger currents? the aquarium store by me did not have bubblewands, but i figured distributing the air to 3 airstones from each pump performs a similar function?

also, if i were to make the necessary changes for increased FAE, could i expect healthier 2nd+3rd flushes?


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: sabo]
    #18789070 - 09/02/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Could be the size of your cakes. Smaller cakes = smaller fruits. I might be wrong about this, but it's possible.


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: d9c6]
    #18789089 - 09/02/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Could be the size of your cakes. Smaller cakes = smaller fruits. I might be wrong about this, but it's possible.



Not really.

Fruit size is dependant upon moisture content and genetics, not substrate size.

I would suggest a SGFC over a PMP setup any day.

SGFC do not have nearly as much complications to them.


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18789170 - 09/02/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yea, ive seen that recommendation here before, though also the opposite. i like the automated aspect to a pmp. i may try a terrarium of reduced volume to see if i can up the FAE+humidity simultaneously. ive already invested in the pump and stones, might as well try to get an automated, functional set up for the PMP.

but im very curious as to whether an improved terrarium will affect the next flush of these mushies. any opinions?


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: sabo]
    #18789176 - 09/02/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, better fruiting conditions mean better final product...


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: sabo]
    #18789197 - 09/02/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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but im very curious as to whether an improved terrarium will affect the next flush of these mushies. any opinions?




I build a fancy PMP as my first fruiting chamber and never could get enough FAE with high enough humidity :mad2:

I too thought the idea of an automated fruiting chamber was pretty cool.

I ended up moving to a SGFC because I just couldn't get my PMP tuned in... I Just couldn't win that battle.

Anyways to answer the question yes for sure it will improve your flushes. My SGFC put out way better flushes than my PMP. I wish it would have worked better :shrug:


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18789238 - 09/02/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

blah. sad to see my PMP go to waste, but i guess that's just how it is. i consistently see impressive results with the sgfc and its an extraordinarily minimal investment, so i suppose i should change my ways now and cut my losses. live and learn.


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: sabo]
    #18789274 - 09/02/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do some reading on growing bulk using a monotub. It's quite different than PF tek, but it's quite simple.
Monotubs require very little maintenance and they work great.
It's something to consider if you plan to play with cultivation for a while.


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18789292 - 09/02/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
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Could be the size of your cakes. Smaller cakes = smaller fruits. I might be wrong about this, but it's possible.



Not really.

Fruit size is dependant upon moisture content and genetics, not substrate size.



Thanks, NaH. Into my book of knowledge it goes :P


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: d9c6]
    #18789361 - 09/02/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

thx pete, today i actually started to check out some monotub teks. it's for sure something i am considering, tho still a little newbish and wary. next grow i think im going to go for rye + hawke's 50/50+ casing and see where that brings me. this hobby is addictive! theres something amazing about seeing those mushies emerge from nothing but water, rocks and rice ( even if they are small little guys :laugh: )


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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: sabo]
    #18789426 - 09/02/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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this hobby is addictive!




You are surrounded by people who understand this :rastamon:

Rye would be an excellent choice of grains to use. Honestly bulk is less work it just takes more careful work. It's not for the lazy, but I'm sure that's not you.

You don't need to case bulk substrates for cubes.
Here are some excellent threads if you're looking for some light reading.
How Frank gets things done
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Re: First Flush is Tiny - Can Later Flushes Be Saved? [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18793250 - 09/03/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

update - ive been vigorously fanning and indirectly misting the terrarium since finding out it's a problem of lacking FAE (not over FAE as i originally guessed), essentially treating the PMP as a simple perilite-only terrarium, which just so happens to have a bit of extra FAE and moisture from the pump. ive also elevated some cakes, thus increasing surface area on the perilite. the cakes which were growing have been doing better and better. though still a little on the tiny side, they're doing much better than the first couple mushies i picked. hopefully the second flush will come in nice and healthy. this weekend will sample the fruits of my labor, as well as start purchasing necessary materials for a SGFC + rye casing grow.

here is a pic of one of my better cakes right before harvesting most of them:



thx shroomery for making this first grow possible! <3<3<3


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