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Bring forth your debates
    #18792190 - 09/02/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What only a few people know about me is that I am a great debater. Always have been. I was in the debate team in school and debated on a national level.

So I challenge the whole PSP forum to debate against me in a topic of YOUR choosing.

Could be history, science, math, etc. I am well educated in almost every major catalogue of classification.

The only thing I ask is that people be respectful to me and give me time to respond.

Lets go! :satansmoking:


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18792203 - 09/02/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

THE BEST COLOR IS GREEN.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #18792211 - 09/02/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

LET US DEBATE :evil:


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18792232 - 09/02/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The best colour is Blue and I will tell you why. Blue is known to make people feel relaxed. This trumps green because green does not make us relaxe. Green reminds you of grass and grass doesn't even taste good. Most animals won't even eat grass.

Which brings me to my next point. Why would anyone want to look at the colour green when most of the time green is associated with vegetables, thus causing us to think of less appetizing things than jello or Taco Bell.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18792244 - 09/02/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Green is the colour of science. It wants to know, it values knowledge and facts.

Blue is cooler than that. Blue doesn't need to know. Blue just accepts. Blue is love.

Green is my least favourite colour.

Blue is like the ocean and the sky which represents, to me, the limitless nature of reality.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18792256 - 09/02/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually green is slightly more relaxing and why they use it in hospitals.

"The most relaxing colors are generally believed to be cool shades such as green and blue. Designers, psychologists, feng shui experts, and advertisers all agree that blues and greens make us feel calm, balanced, and less emotional. They use these hues, especially a sage green, in hospitals, test centers, and television stations to ease nerves and attenuate harsh emotions. Whether this reaction has to do with the effect of wavelengths on brain chemistry, linguistic associations, cultural meanings, or coincidence, has yet to be fully determined."


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18792260 - 09/02/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Chilli dark chocolate is superior to milk chocolate. :whatyougonnado:


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: Icelander]
    #18792273 - 09/02/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

False. Blue.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: birdland]
    #18792298 - 09/02/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Chilli dark chocolate is superior to milk chocolate. :whatyougonnado:




Chilli dark chocolate is produced in Australlia

Australia is the least worthy country in the board game known as Risk.

Milk chocolate is the majority of earths population choice of chocolate. Majority RULES, sorry!

Milk chocolate wins


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18792395 - 09/02/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Green is the color of grass and therefore oxygen producing plants, without which we would die.
GREEN TRUMPS BLUE.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18792408 - 09/02/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What only a few people know about me is that I am a great debater. Always have been. I was in the debate team in school and debated on a national level.

So I challenge the whole PSP forum to debate against me in a topic of YOUR choosing.

Could be history, science, math, etc. I am well educated in almost every major catalogue of classification.

The only thing I ask is that people be respectful to me and give me time to respond.

Lets go! :satansmoking:




My position is your debating skills are not what you think they are. Prove me wrong :nicesmile:


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: lolwut]
    #18792419 - 09/02/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

why must we debate?


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: lolwut]
    #18792470 - 09/02/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Green is the color of grass and therefore oxygen producing plants, without which we would die.
GREEN TRUMPS BLUE.




Oxygen is only necessary on Earth, so is it really that great??

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why must we debate?




Debate is just a natural thing humans do. We debate because people love truth and truth is important in society. Debate teaches us that it is okay to have different opinions
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What only a few people know about me is that I am a great debater. Always have been. I was in the debate team in school and debated on a national level.

So I challenge the whole PSP forum to debate against me in a topic of YOUR choosing.

Could be history, science, math, etc. I am well educated in almost every major catalogue of classification.

The only thing I ask is that people be respectful to me and give me time to respond.

Lets go! :satansmoking:




My position is your debating skills are not what you think they are. Prove me wrong :nicesmile:



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lolwut said:
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EternalCowabunga said:
What only a few people know about me is that I am a great debater. Always have been. I was in the debate team in school and debated on a national level.

So I challenge the whole PSP forum to debate against me in a topic of YOUR choosing.

Could be history, science, math, etc. I am well educated in almost every major catalogue of classification.

The only thing I ask is that people be respectful to me and give me time to respond.

Lets go! :satansmoking:




My position is your debating skills are not what you think they are. Prove me wrong :nicesmile:



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EternalCowabunga said:
What only a few people know about me is that I am a great debater. Always have been. I was in the debate team in school and debated on a national level.

So I challenge the whole PSP forum to debate against me in a topic of YOUR choosing.

Could be history, science, math, etc. I am well educated in almost every major catalogue of classification.

The only thing I ask is that people be respectful to me and give me time to respond.

Lets go! :satansmoking:




My position is your debating skills are not what you think they are. Prove me wrong :nicesmile:




My debating skills are really good, actually. I can tell you a few people who think I have good debate skills. 

Just 5 off the top of my head: my buddy Sherman, my ex girlfriend Shirley, my personal trainer, my debate team partner Benjamin and some other people

To prove to you that I am a good debater, here is a thread I posted in once:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7389014#7389014


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18792493 - 09/02/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

a good debater is one who will eventually get insulted because the other gets to the point of !?!    agree?


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: Icelander]
    #18792521 - 09/02/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Actually green is slightly more relaxing and why they use it in hospitals.

"The most relaxing colors are generally believed to be cool shades such as green and blue. Designers, psychologists, feng shui experts, and advertisers all agree that blues and greens make us feel calm, balanced, and less emotional. They use these hues, especially a sage green, in hospitals, test centers, and television stations to ease nerves and attenuate harsh emotions. Whether this reaction has to do with the effect of wavelengths on brain chemistry, linguistic associations, cultural meanings, or coincidence, has yet to be fully determined."




Interesting, what do they say about purple?

I would say purple/violet/indigo is the best color because it has the most energy being the shortest wavelength, and provides energy to all the green plants on our planet through chlorophyll, it is also at the 420 nm wavelength, go figure.





But I like green too!

Without purple there wouldn't be life on this planet . . .


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #18792611 - 09/02/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Green is the color of grass and therefore oxygen producing plants, without which we would die.
GREEN TRUMPS BLUE.




Plants produce oxygen from purple light, they reflect green light which is why they are green, they don't use it.

Check out the photosystems I & II

Without green light plants would likely appear to be black, but they could still make oxygen.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: teknix]
    #18792636 - 09/02/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

speaking chakra's colors, yea?  i saw red in me inner eye.  although a bit out off tuned.in, after a few tries, got to red, but... struck out.  another batter came to play.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #18792640 - 09/02/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I see purple, maybe that has something to do with it too.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: teknix]
    #18792649 - 09/02/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

much black but red did come through.  ya' bra!


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #18792654 - 09/02/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It might depend on where the majority of the energy in your body is too, I never took the chakra's colors seriously, but maybe there is something to it.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18792960 - 09/03/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My debating skills are really good, actually. I can tell you a few people who think I have good debate skills...my debate team partner Benjamin




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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: viktor]
    #18792981 - 09/03/13 02:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, heres to debating verse tek . . .lawl :tongue:

(Oh, I must be so conceited and arrogant!)

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Or am I just that awesome?

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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18793223 - 09/03/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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False. Blue.




False green/

debate over.  btw your debate technique is about the same as everyone elses here. :braindamage:


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: Icelander]
    #18793236 - 09/03/13 06:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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False. Blue.




False green/

debate over.  btw your debate technique is about the same as everyone elses here. :braindamage:




Rofl, and yours is so much better, morning to you! :tongue:


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: teknix]
    #18793317 - 09/03/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I said everyone else's didn't I?  Am I not part of everyone? :laugh:

Morning to you sir.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18793322 - 09/03/13 07:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm so good at debating that all of you will wake up one morning within the next six weeks and your favourite colour will be orange - and you won't know why


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18793328 - 09/03/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I contend the following proposition: "You, the poster EternalCowabunga are debating with me."  As such you must defend its negation, that you are NOT debating with me.  :smirk:


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: deCypher]
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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: viktor]
    #18793414 - 09/03/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm so good at debating that all of you will wake up one morning within the next six weeks and your favourite colour will be orange - and you won't know why




Carotenoids!


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: teknix]
    #18793423 - 09/03/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't want to derail the color exercise, but here is another topic for debate:

1. All sentences are either true or false
2. This sentence is false.
3a. (2) is a true proposition

or

3b. (2) is a false proposition

Do you think that (1) is off, in other words, that it is not true that all sentences are either true or false, or do you take issue with the commonsense reading of (2), the reading that would problematize (2) into a self-contained contradiction?


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18793821 - 09/03/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Let's debate why this thread is not funny.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18794268 - 09/03/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Or why it's boring.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: Icelander]
    #18794407 - 09/03/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:satansmoking:

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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18794447 - 09/03/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah this thread sucks, lets make another couple thousand threads about death anxiety :lol:


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18794484 - 09/03/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do you believe this thread is of actual interest to your external world?


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18794493 - 09/03/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not really. My main focus in making this thread was to amuse myself.

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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: huxley_hound]
    #18794507 - 09/03/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to derail the color exercise, but here is another topic for debate:

1. All sentences are either true or false
2. This sentence is false.
3a. (2) is a true proposition

or

3b. (2) is a false proposition

Do you think that (1) is off, in other words, that it is not true that all sentences are either true or false, or do you take issue with the commonsense reading of (2), the reading that would problematize (2) into a self-contained contradiction?




4a. 2 is truly a proposition. (not conclusion)


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #18794525 - 09/03/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: teknix]
    #18795237 - 09/03/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

(2) can well be taken as a proposition (that is, a premise) under the guidelines of syllogistic logic. If we make (2) a conclusion, we don't have the requisite supporting premises for it. Right? If I am still missing what you mean, please point it out.

But anyway, are you also committed to denying (1)? If not, then (2) remains either true or false, necessarily. If (2) is itself true, it contradicts its own content. If (2) is itself false, then it still contradicts its own content, by way of a double negation.

I'm not sure what you mean by "conclusion," 3a and 3b are two possible conclusions, and seemingly the only two conclusions unless we make a pretty fancy move.


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: huxley_hound]
    #18795782 - 09/03/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to derail the color exercise, but here is another topic for debate:

1. All sentences are either true or false
2. This sentence is false.
3a. (2) is a true proposition

or

3b. (2) is a false proposition

Do you think that (1) is off, in other words, that it is not true that all sentences are either true or false, or do you take issue with the commonsense reading of (2), the reading that would problematize (2) into a self-contained contradiction?




Also, neither 3a. or 3b. are sentences so they aren't required by (1) to be true or false. (2) is your only sentence because it's the only one ending in punctuation.

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1a statement or assertion that expresses a judgement or opinion:
the proposition that high taxation is undesirable
-Logic a statement that expresses a concept that can be true or false.
-Mathematics a formal statement of a theorem or problem, typically including the demonstration.
2a suggested scheme or plan of action, especially in a business context:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/proposition?q=proposition





(I was playing with the definitions of proposition)


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Re: Bring forth your debates [Re: teknix]
    #18807963 - 09/06/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh okay, gotcha. I understand now.

Yet if we think about it, that's not really a solution to the paradox (had I written it with punctation), which is not of my own creation, but a very famous example from the history of philosophy. It still hasn't been definitely "solved", in fact, which is why the problem is so ripe for debate.

Just imagine that (1)-(3) have punctuation. Or imagine that (2) doesn't have pronunciation, thus rendering all sentences similar. Defining "sentence" is not where we want to turn, rather we want to think about what constitutes a contradiction and a "true" statement, should "true" even be a real predicate. 

Maybe I can reword the problem into a form that is easier for us to work with (fewer logical steps):

"Everything that I say is false."

What do you make of that claim? If everything that I say is false, then isn't the claim itself false, meaning that it is not the case that everything that I say is false? But if that is the case, then what the heck do we do with the sentence in the first place, since it claims precisely the converse?


Edited by huxley_hound (09/06/13 04:22 PM)


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