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should i soak grains before g2g?
    #18792085 - 09/02/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

if its good to soak grains before spawning to bulk, wouldnt it make sense to soak them before g2g?


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: michgan241]
    #18792113 - 09/02/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The purpose of soaking is to let harmful, heat resistant like, bacteria germinate before you pressure cook. This makes it easier for sterilization and a lot more promising. So soaking before spawning to bulk doesnt make any sense. Not sure if i understand your question right.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: michgan241]
    #18792118 - 09/02/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No only when spawning to bulk. G2G is a sterile process. Spawning to bulk is not


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: michgan241]
    #18792121 - 09/02/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do not soak before a g2g because you could contaminate the grain!


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: SupaThaRipper]
    #18792125 - 09/02/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The purpose of soaking is to let harmful, heat resistant like, bacteria germinate before you pressure cook. This makes it easier for sterilization and a lot more promising. So soaking before spawning to bulk doesnt make any sense. Not sure if i understand your question right.




:facepalm: You are def not understanding the ques.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: michgan241]
    #18792138 - 09/02/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

why the f**k would you soak grains if spawning into bulk or doing g2g. doesn't make sense.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: vec]
    #18792154 - 09/02/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: vec]
    #18792161 - 09/02/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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why the f**k would you soak grains if spawning into bulk or doing g2g. doesn't make sense.




Btw you don't soak your grains before doing g2g! Only when spawning to bulk


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18792198 - 09/02/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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why the f**k would you soak grains if spawning into bulk or doing g2g. doesn't make sense.




Btw you don't soak your grains before doing g2g! Only when spawning to bulk




because the master jar was fully colonized wouldnt it be extremely contam resistant? I guess i dont understand why spawning to bulk you can let the soaked colonized grain and sub be exposed to contams in open air, but soaked colonized grain in a SAB then g2g wouldnt work.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18792229 - 09/02/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like too much work for nothing, just sayin.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: michgan241]
    #18792238 - 09/02/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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why the f**k would you soak grains if spawning into bulk or doing g2g. doesn't make sense.




Btw you don't soak your grains before doing g2g! Only when spawning to bulk




because the master jar was fully colonized wouldnt it be extremely contam resistant? I guess i dont understand why spawning to bulk you can let the soaked colonized grain and sub be exposed to contams in open air, but soaked colonized grain in a SAB then g2g wouldnt work.




Your fully colonized grain is contam resistant but the grain you are adding it to is not. Understand?


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: michgan241]
    #18792243 - 09/02/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My turn! Because the receiving grain should already be properly hydrated. Maybe could work if you sterilized the water but is to much work/risk when the receiving grains are already hydrated!


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: SuperFly]
    #18792253 - 09/02/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My turn! Because the receiving grain should already be properly hydrated. Maybe could work if you sterilized the water but is to much work/risk when the receiving grains are already hydrated!




anyone else feel free to correct me but its not that the other grains are dry, the same way its not because your sub is dry.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: vec]
    #18792254 - 09/02/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Looks like too much work for nothing, just sayin.




Seriously dude? All those guys results and the general consensus of many trusted cultivators say it is a beneficial thing with noticeable results and your going to disagree? With what basis? What experience? Just sayin


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18792257 - 09/02/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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why the f**k would you soak grains if spawning into bulk or doing g2g. doesn't make sense.




Btw you don't soak your grains before doing g2g! Only when spawning to bulk




because the master jar was fully colonized wouldnt it be extremely contam resistant? I guess i dont understand why spawning to bulk you can let the soaked colonized grain and sub be exposed to contams in open air, but soaked colonized grain in a SAB then g2g wouldnt work.




Your fully colonized grain is contam resistant but the grain you are adding it to is not. Understand?




wouldnt that hold true for pasteurized sub too though?  I'm not trying to be difficult just trying to get around the logic of one being ok, one not.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: michgan241]
    #18792263 - 09/02/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My turn! Because the receiving grain should already be properly hydrated. Maybe could work if you sterilized the water but is to much work/risk when the receiving grains are already hydrated!




anyone else feel free to correct me but its not that the other grains are dry, the same way its not because your sub is dry.




You soak your colonized grain because it looses a lot of moisture during the colonization process. It has nothing to do with the moisture content of the sub. Read franks write up. I posted a link above


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: michgan241]
    #18792276 - 09/02/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My turn! Because the receiving grain should already be properly hydrated. Maybe could work if you sterilized the water but is to much work/risk when the receiving grains are already hydrated!




anyone else feel free to correct me but its not that the other grains are dry, the same way its not because your sub is dry.



The sub is not what is dry, but the fully colonized grain is a little dry


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: SuperFly]
    #18792444 - 09/02/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My turn! Because the receiving grain should already be properly hydrated. Maybe could work if you sterilized the water but is to much work/risk when the receiving grains are already hydrated!




anyone else feel free to correct me but its not that the other grains are dry, the same way its not because your sub is dry.



The sub is not what is dry, but the fully colonized grain is a little dry




Yea, thats what i said just a little less clearly.  In franks thread he doesnt dunk his grain because the sub is dry but because its beneficial to the spawn.  Just like I wouldnt hypothetically dunk my master jar because the receiving grains were dry but because it would be beneficial to the master grains being spread.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: michgan241]
    #18792461 - 09/02/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You would most definitely get contams if you dunk before g2g


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: vec]
    #18792574 - 09/02/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Looks like too much work for nothing, just sayin.




I'm jumping into this a bit late, but :facepalm:

I just needed to get my facepalm in there.

What's the point of this hobby if you aren't willing to put the work into it. You can't argue the results of Frank's work and say it's not worth at least trying.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18792670 - 09/02/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes! Hydrating your grains have been proven(thanks FrankH) to grow healthier cultures on agar. Your G2g may benefit if you rehydrate with sterile water. Do the test, write a tek.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: mushrume man]
    #18792696 - 09/02/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18792702 - 09/02/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't dunk grains before g2g personally, better to have the grains a little dry so as not to encourage rogue spores from germinating in the uncolonized grain jar.  There should be enough moisture inside the new grains.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: invitro]
    #18792708 - 09/02/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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There should be enough moisture inside the new grains.




I'm with this.


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    #18792740 - 09/02/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I love those glowing shrooms, I wish I had a hundred of them in my bedroom.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18792831 - 09/03/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

dude I'm just sayin who gives a damn about an extra half an oz. I'm not dissing his work, I'm just sayin it's too much of a mess for the extra yield.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: vec]
    #18792838 - 09/03/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How is it at all a mess? If I can do something that easy to increase my yields you better believe I'm going to do it.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: vec]
    #18792843 - 09/03/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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dude I'm just sayin who gives a damn about an extra half an oz. I'm not dissing his work, I'm just sayin it's too much of a mess for the extra yield.



And that is your opinion.

For me, if I am going to risk that much time and effort, I want the biggest bang for my buck.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18792856 - 09/03/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it already costs nothing to grow them, and sure small scale it might matter, but time is money my friend.:tongue:


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: vec]
    #18792863 - 09/03/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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it already costs nothing to grow them, and sure small scale it might matter, but time is money my friend.:tongue:



That is my point exactly.

My time is money, so why not make the most of it...

And there is a cost to growing cubes, regardless of what you think.

Plastic tubs, jars, perlite, spores...your time.....this shit is not free.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18792876 - 09/03/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i'm not saying it costs nothing, but sure doesn't even come close to the amount of $$ u gotta throw down for a set up for growing boogie. but i still love u.lol


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: vec]
    #18793199 - 09/03/13 05:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It takes 20 minutes to soak and there is really no mess for a bigger healthier flush.  Really there is no question, you can modify franks tek to be more suited for your needs I used a stock pot and a colander


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #18793253 - 09/03/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't even need that. You can just put water in the jar with the grains and pour it off with the lid cracked if you are that lazy


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18793295 - 09/03/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I got 12 jars that are about to be spawned that the master jar was dunked that would like to have a word with all of you.  I have another 12 that I am going to do this with as well.  I am going to do 2 tubs of dunked before g2g and 2 tubs of normal only dunked before spawning.  What I have noticed is that the colonization is more uniform.  The mycelium gets loosened and goes around the new grain more.  These jars were g2g last wednesday.  And no, these are not the jars from my grow along thread, those I did like normal. 

If you think your mycelium is thirsty after a week to 10 days (normal times for g2g) the how thirsty do you think they are after an almost 30 day colonization time?  Got my flame shield up....

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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18793306 - 09/03/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Op I was just talking to someone who is experimenting with soaking grains before g2g and so far he has had success so I don't know what to tell you now. I know I said it was a bad idea and it still sounds risky to me so I would proceed with caution. Like I said he is still experimenting so I hate to tell you either way. He said he would do a write up of his results so stay tuned.


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    #18793311 - 09/03/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol speak of the devil ^^^


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    #18793429 - 09/03/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lol speak of the devil ^^^




Lol,  yeah by the time I'm done it'll be a few weeks after my grow along thread. I just g2ged my other 12 jars after a soak so I have my 24 total.  I gotta save my pennies for a supporter account though so I can ensure I have enough photos.  I've used over 60% of my space and I'm only halfway through.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18793435 - 09/03/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Since you are doing a grow along and it has become very popular and informative they might give you some extra space. Trusted cultivators get unlimited uploads so they can upload what they need to show teks and grows. What you are doing is no different. I'll pm fooman and see if I can fight for your cause! lol


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18793454 - 09/03/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Op I was just talking to someone who is experimenting with soaking grains before g2g and so far he has had success so I don't know what to tell you now. I know I said it was a bad idea and it still sounds risky to me so I would proceed with caution. Like I said he is still experimenting so I hate to tell you either way. He said he would do a write up of his results so stay tuned.



It's got to be a case of - dunking might give quicker results but will surely increase fail %age.

Then you're experimenting to see if the increased results - fail %age = higher or lower than the standard tek.

I think either way you'd want to suggest caution to noobs.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: GoldenArrow]
    #18793455 - 09/03/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Op I was just talking to someone who is experimenting with soaking grains before g2g and so far he has had success so I don't know what to tell you now. I know I said it was a bad idea and it still sounds risky to me so I would proceed with caution. Like I said he is still experimenting so I hate to tell you either way. He said he would do a write up of his results so stay tuned.



It's got to be a case of - dunking might give quicker results but will surely increase fail %age.

Then you're experimenting to see if the increased results - fail %age = higher or lower than the standard tek.

I think either way you'd want to suggest caution to noobs.




For sure. I did say proceed with caution.

I am sure tbag will give us a good write up of his findings in a few weeks


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    #18793466 - 09/03/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Awww shucks you're making me blush.  That's why you haven't seen my agar thread pop back up.  Just don't have the space to continue all these threads with photos lol.
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Op I was just talking to someone who is experimenting with soaking grains before g2g and so far he has had success so I don't know what to tell you now. I know I said it was a bad idea and it still sounds risky to me so I would proceed with caution. Like I said he is still experimenting so I hate to tell you either way. He said he would do a write up of his results so stay tuned.



It's got to be a case of - dunking might give quicker results but will surely increase fail %age.

Then you're experimenting to see if the increased results - fail %age = higher or lower than the standard tek.

I think either way you'd want to suggest caution to noobs.




Agreed,  this won't be spoken of in my grow along.  The first time was an accident,  I smoked too much,  spaced and went into spawning mode.  None of my other masters were ready and I was set up.  Had to use it.

This experiment is to test fail % Only.  If it works I'll use a clone or an isolate to test yield.

Again new growers,  don't do this,  I'm only running this test for failure rate.  I have enough time and supplies to take one for the team.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18793468 - 09/03/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cool, I've done some retarded shit just 'to see what happens' but you have to be willing to lose everything if it goes wrong - which most new growers aren't :laugh:


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18793476 - 09/03/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Op I was just talking to someone who is experimenting with soaking grains before g2g and so far he has had success so I don't know what to tell you now. I know I said it was a bad idea and it still sounds risky to me so I would proceed with caution. Like I said he is still experimenting so I hate to tell you either way. He said he would do a write up of his results so stay tuned.




It is a bad idea. The odds of those being spawned and making it to a full harvest is pretty low. Not unheard of, but very low. Good luck tbag!

OP, it is my opinion that you should never dunk your grains before moving them to any kind of sterile grain.

And here's the picture of recovery of dunked grain (right) vs non-dunked (left), these are from the same isolate. so here is to show one of the primary benefits for our buddy vec:

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8/27 (24 hours after being placed on the dish):


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Here is the not-dunked side vs dunked:


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Given the choice between the two, I dunk every single jar and bag of spawn as it goes into the bulk substrate :thumbup:


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18793488 - 09/03/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

^^ not contaminated though and 'spawned' to a sterile substrate so kind of suggests that the G2G idea isn't *that* crazy?


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: GoldenArrow]
    #18793498 - 09/03/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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^^ not contaminated though and 'spawned' to a sterile substrate so kind of suggests that the G2G idea isn't *that* crazy?




The petris?

You can place a colonized grain on a dish with basically no sterile procedure and your myc will outrun most everything. Myc from a colonized grain is insanely aggressive.

However, the agar has one plane for growth to occur on and not much space to begin with.

Your jar of grains has exponentially more area to be covered. Assuming your grains have been exposed to open air and soaked in non-sterile water, it is way too risky to try to inoculate jars with this method.

None of my methods are ever intended to "sidestep" good technique...I believe it is Horrigan's law which states that "if it can contam, it will, given enough trials." :lol:

I would not ever use those petris pictured without another transfer. You can never be too careful with sterile media.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: GoldenArrow]
    #18793507 - 09/03/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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^^ not contaminated though and 'spawned' to a sterile substrate so kind of suggests that the G2G idea isn't *that* crazy?




It could be, depending on the water source you could be introducing bacteria to your sterile grain. The beneficial bacteria in substrate will keep harmful bacteria at bay, it could still pop up regardless.

This experiment I'm doing, while the jars look good I could be really fucked when I fruit.  These tubs are going to be kept in another room just in case.

I'm expecting them to fail,  but I hope they don't.  The colonization of the new jars appears more rapid and I believe it's the myc water that spreads it out further in the new jar. This is all hypothesis as I don't have enough data to make any conclusions.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18793515 - 09/03/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It could be, depending on the water source you could be introducing bacteria to your sterile grain.




The grain is no longer sterile once you open that jar though. That's pretty much a given :shrug:


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18793545 - 09/03/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Love the new tips and tricks link frank. Nice :thumbup:


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18793570 - 09/03/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It could be, depending on the water source you could be introducing bacteria to your sterile grain.




The grain is no longer sterile once you open that jar though. That's pretty much a given :shrug:




I was more referring to inside a SAB. I would never g2g open air. 

For clarification, if you dunk your master jar before a grain to grain and then dump your master jar into your sterile or once sterile grains there is a potential for higher failure rate.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18793618 - 09/03/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I was more referring to inside a SAB. I would never g2g open air. 

For clarification, if you dunk your master jar before a grain to grain and then dump your master jar into your sterile or once sterile grains there is a potential for higher failure rate.




I meant for the dunk, I assume you don't dunk in the SAB? :wink:

I agree with what you're saying and I'm curious to see if you get fruits. I think it was zman who tried this once and his didn't make it to harvest.

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Love the new tips and tricks link frank. Nice :thumbup:




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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18793710 - 09/03/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18793720 - 09/03/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: michgan241]
    #18793737 - 09/03/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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if its good to soak grains before spawning to bulk, wouldnt it make sense to soak them before g2g?




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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18793760 - 09/03/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

im not going to read all these comments lol but no dont soak before G2G only before spawning to bulk for 20-30 minutes. GL :smile:


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: vaneazy]
    #18794356 - 09/03/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If we're talking about G2g we should all assume the entire process needs to be as sterile as possible. With this in mind the rehydration or soaking should be done in a seal jar with healing port, similar to making a myc suspension in water. Afterward pouring grains into receiving jars like normal G2g procedure.


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    #18794512 - 09/03/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If we're talking about G2g we should all assume the entire process needs to be as sterile as possible. With this in mind the rehydration or soaking should be done in a seal jar with healing port, similar to making a myc suspension in water. Afterward pouring grains into receiving jars like normal G2g procedure.




You would also need to use sterilized water, and you would want to understand that it is still an additional contaminant vector.


But that aside, why would you want to dunk before grain to grain?

My grain to grain jars and bags are colonized within a week, ten days at most.

If you need to speed colonization of your G2G, just dump more spawn into the jar.

Then rehydrate at spawning time :thumbup:


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18794648 - 09/03/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I dont. It would be interesting to see what difference it could make tho. Anything you do is a possible contam situation, the key is just to not over hydrate the sterile grain with the soaked substrate.

I have been considering a sterile soak for spawning to bulk so i can save the water for cloning when i get the supplies.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: mushrume man]
    #18794804 - 09/03/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Even if it wasn't an additional contam risk, dunking grains for G2G seems like a lot of work for very little reward. I bet it would shave very little off your colonizing time.

Frank's agar and monotub experiments indicate dunking is beneficial. But I'm not so sure if it's worth it for G2G, considering the steps you would need to take.

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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18794946 - 09/03/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's what I'm working on now.  Things aren't looking good, I took those 12 jars pictured above and made 2 mini monos. I shake before I soak when spawning to bulk.  But when I shook the grain looked slimey and over saturated.  I didn't need to dunk,  but I'm thinking I have a field of green in my future and not the good kind.  I'll be doing a full write up in a few weeks don't know how many photos I can provide.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18794995 - 09/03/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks tbag you have persuaded me to never dunk between g2g


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #18795125 - 09/03/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a few up close pics, I will probably take these down in a few days to conserve space.  They look "wetter" in person.  This was after the shake to spawn.  These grains were dunked before grain to grain 5 days ago, they were not dunked before going into the tub.  The pictures are about 20 minutes after shaking.




If this doesnt end in astroturf the only benefit I see is that you only have to hydrate 1 jar instead of 12 or 24 or whatever your G2Ging due to the rapid recovery time and the excess moisture.

I still don't have high hopes however.  I think my moisture content is fucked and I will have to work on evaporation.  That is probably my best scenario at this point.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18795439 - 09/03/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So are you all saying that I do NOT have to soak grains, simmer, and PC them if I am going to do a g2g? I just load jars with WBS and put them into my SAB and do the g2g?


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: magnesium]
    #18795455 - 09/03/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

no, you prep your grain like normal. soak simmer and pc.  you do not soak your master grain jar.


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Re: should i soak grains before g2g? [Re: magnesium]
    #18795471 - 09/03/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You're talking about something different. We're talking about dunking a 100% colonized grain jar before G2G.


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