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Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches?
    #18786900 - 09/01/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've tripped probably around 100 times now (I lost count years ago). After my first ego shattering experience (I don't want to call it 'ego death' as that word is thrown around a lot) I noticed 1.5g would take me where previously 3-4g would. Ever since then I've rarely gone above 2.5, but also have had times where I've even tripped for ~2 weeks strait and never upped the dose and only noticed a slight gain in tolerance near the end of the two week period, but likewise I was kind of getting tired of tripping so part of me even thinks the tolerance was simply mental (we all have those sobering moments say if a cop comes up or something during the trip, you always seem to sober up when you need to on psychedelics). Likewise I can even feel .2 grams, I've tried it multiple times, and with all the doses I've taken it definitely can't just be a variation in potency. For instance the same batch of mushrooms lasting 2 weeks without a tolerance gain just doesn't make sense that it's down to genetics. I also often feel trippy when sober for that matter, but not in a bad way, can't really say there's any adverse effects. My suspicion is that once you open the mind's eye/pineal gland it eventually closes, but it takes longer and is easier for you to open it, thus taking psychedelics are more and more effective even if you've just taken some the day before. The only time I've noticed somewhat of a tolerance other than in the beginning is when redosing during a trip, if I'm slightly tripping yet not particularly hard and I take the same dose or half then it might just keep me on that level, but that's often what I'm going for anyway so... :shrug:. I dunno, just trying to start a discussion on it, I've dug up some old threads to read through, but most questions on tolerance are always the same old 'it doubles for upwards of a week' and that just doesn't seem to be the case. I can't be alone here.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18786954 - 09/01/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My tolerance has gone WAY down from when I started. I used to take 3.5 to 4g's and just laugh my ass off. Now I take 2 and I'm almost comatose with visuals and thought loops. However, I do have a tolerance if I try to trip a few days after the last one, or the next day... so I don't know about that... and for some reason, right before I dose, I seem to forget all about my low tolerance and take the same amount as everyone else. Always bad trips. I don't know why I keep doing that.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: huffinglue]
    #18788568 - 09/02/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I'm sure I have *some* degree of tolerance, but compared to normal, or 'before' it's rather negligible. It may also have to do, at least in part, with the fact that since it now takes me less to get there it doesn't oversaturate the serotonin receptors as much and thus tolerance isn't increased as much.

Another thought I had, and I have no idea if it's true, not enough research/information on hand, is maybe when dosing not only does your brain produce more serotonin to compensate for the flooded receptors (thinking it's not getting enough in the receptors), but the receptors themselves get, perhaps, down regulated (maybe it's up?) which takes awhile to normalize and thus the next dose only has less receptors to block/lock onto than the same dose shortly before. No clue though, just a guess. I also meditate fwiw and get *very* similar effects as I do from psychedelics so that may play a role as well.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18788573 - 09/02/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think people really underestimate what a low dose can do in the right set or setting.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: sailing]
    #18788592 - 09/02/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, for that matter I think a lot of people don't even think about the set/setting prior to dosing and treat it like any other drug a lot of the times. Not necessarily a bad thing, but you may be in for a surprise.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18788600 - 09/02/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Its funny the way tolerance works, and its so hard to grasp it. for best results, just let your tolerance recover to where its supposed to be between each dose. but i bet you're playing tricks on yourself. i bet if you took the same dose two days in a row you'd be let down because you were expecting more. but when you take a lower dose and you already have tolerance, you are expecting less and you get more than you expected. Also with tolerance, the drugs seem to take you to a different place.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: sailing]
    #18788608 - 09/02/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've taken the same dose at least 11 days in a row and didn't notice a tolerance increase until at least a week into it.

edit: I didn't measure it btw, but it was roughly 1.5 to a little over 2g. IIRC I also tripped roughly on day 14 or 15 after taking a few days off and had one of the best trips of the whole 2 week period, I did up the dose a bit for that, I think I even weighed it (wanna say 2.5g), but it was awhile back so I can't recall for sure.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18788824 - 09/02/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Damn. You don't weigh them? I mean, it's no biggie, but a digi scale is like $20, and well worth it.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: huffinglue]
    #18788852 - 09/02/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My scale broke a few months back and I haven't had the money to get a new one. I've been growing for ~7 years though so after awhile you get pretty good at eyeballing a dose, even guessing ounces I'm normally within a few grams.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18789038 - 09/02/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Right on right on. It just reminded me of when I went to a rave at a stripclub here in dallas. I had all these shrooms in a bag in my pocket, and the bag broke, and I was just walkin around, rollin and trippin, givin out pinches of shrooms to everyone. Lol. Stupid, but fun. I went to the same thing thing a couple years ago(they have them every weekend) and felt like I was the oldest person in there by 10+ years..


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: huffinglue]
    #18789619 - 09/02/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Tolerance is a hard thing to pin point, it can be physical or mental. I prefer to dose once a month although this year I've only dosed three times and last yesterday only two. When I did dose a lot, the first year I did psychs, I at first noticed a reverse tolerance as I became accustomed to psychedelia and then I noticed a steady tolerance where I could trip about two or three times a week without dosing and then after a month or two I hit the tolerance wall. I couldn't get off with a good ten strip. Nowadays I prefer medium doses, one day I expect to go higher though but as of now I am in love with medium doses.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18790543 - 09/02/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

After so many doses I no longer truly see a difference between physical and mental really, I still use the terms of course, but at least in my own mind they're quite the same. I have also noticed on occasion, even with no previous recent trips (I'm talking a month or more) I can take 2+ grams and not trip at all. That's happened to me at least twice now, and I have high doubts the mushrooms were bunk because it's taken from a batch I previously and later tripped on and it's an assortment of random mushies that have made up the dose, it's not as if I could have possibly grabbed a single one which happened to be bunk.

Even the first time I tripped I did not feel the effects for a good 3-4 hours and then bam! Laughed my ass off for maybe an hour and a half and then came down like a pile of rocks (very gracefully mind you, no negative after effects at all).

That first trip is another reason I believe, at least for me, psychedelics have a reverse tolerance effect. On that first trip I took them with a group of friends and they were all just about at baseline when I started tripping, quite a unique experience for sure, I had totally written off that anything would happen at that point. A lot of times I wonder if the mushies even do anything at all and if it's not entirely in the mind of the user. For instance to play off the old homage of trees and woods, if you dose someone without their knowledge and you're not around to see them trip do they even trip at all? I could sincerely see it going both ways.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18791381 - 09/02/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Throughout my psychedelic experiences and research, it appears that tolerance is based on the individual, and not some magic formula based on generalizations. Additionally, I have found that (personally) different psychs have different tolerance levels.

For example, I naturally have an extremely high tolerance to mushrooms and honestly it's a little disappointing. The first time I did shrooms, I ate an eighth of cubes and I thought I had a pretty mid-level trip based on my research, but was unaware that this first trip would be considered on the lighter side of what the true potential of mushrooms had to offer. Over my subsequent shroom trips, I remember my greatest trip being when I ate around 5.5-6 grams of cyanescens that I had picked and dried. It was probably a high level 3 / low level 4 experience all-around...very spiritual and memorable indeed and was in fact not overwhelming, although the rest of my friends took around 4 grams of the same batch and didn't handle the trip as well as I did. After this trip, it has taken me AT LEAST 4.5 grams of cyanescens to be considered a full-blown trip, and didn't even come close to my initial 5.5 gram trial. Please note that each subsequent shroom trip was spaced out at least a month at a time, so I feel that my tolerance should have "reset" during such exhaustive sabbaticals from psychedelics.

I also believe that smoking weed on a consistent basis can affect tolerance levels to psychs, since I consider weed a psych in itself anyways, but I digress...

For LSD, the very first time I had taken it I took 3 hits of what I found out later to be  probably the most pure LSD I would ever get my hands on, considering that I had it tested and later discovered that other people who had taken the same blotters were tripping off just a quarter of one blotter tab! Granted, I had not tested this batch or known its potency before taking an additional 4 hits of the same blotter only a week later and had arguably a 50% boost in the trip I had a week ago off of the 3 hits...this had led me to believe that I am highly susceptible to LSD while shrooms is the exact opposite. Please note that I have experienced with LSD further from different blotters and have found relatively the same effects...it appears that it only takes about a week to reset my LSD tolerance, regardless of the amount of other substances (such as weed) that I might have been taking at the time.

My apologies for the long post, but hopefully you have found a small number of my experiences useful.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
    #18792450 - 09/02/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I did an experiment one summer where I ate about half a gram a day.  I think you can basically train your mind to make you trip


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18792786 - 09/03/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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krypto2000 said:
My suspicion is that once you open the mind's eye/pineal gland it eventually closes, but it takes longer and is easier for you to open it, thus taking psychedelics are more and more effective even if you've just taken some the day before.





Nah, it's just you, lucky bastard.  If I was to guess, I'd say for whatever reason your brain resets from tolerance faster.  Tolerance isn't a physical thing (like, say, clearing the actives from your bloodstream), it's mediated by the regulation of the neurotransmitters and how that changes in response to a perceived change in the transmitter abundance.  Indole-ring psychedelics that dock where serotonin dock invoke this response - the response is quick (what you say you get from reupping is typical) but the decay of the response is slow (several days) for most people.  You're just going back to baseline quicker than normal. At least that's what I'd guess. :shrug:

I've also hear the recommendation (but never verified it) that if you hydrate A LOT in between times tolerance is much decreased.  It could be something as simple as that, or metabolism, or god knows what.  Research grant material for sure. :thumbup:

If I trip daily (or several times a week) long enough, upping the dose about 1.5x to compensate, at a level where the dose is around 5x what I started with tolerance stops increasing and I can keep tripping face daily with the same amount.  So there are limits to tolerance as well.  Could be you just have an unusually low "max tolerance" and that's how it shows itself.

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...I can take 2+ grams and not trip at all. That's happened to me at least twice now, and I have high doubts the mushrooms were bunk because it's taken from a batch I previously and later tripped on and it's an assortment of random mushies that have made up the dose, it's not as if I could have possibly grabbed a single one which happened to be bunk.




I've had that happen, and if you trip a LOT, it will happen sometimes. 

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That first trip is another reason I believe, at least for me, psychedelics have a reverse tolerance effect. On that first trip I took them with a group of friends and they were all just about at baseline when I started tripping, quite a unique experience for sure, I had totally written off that anything would happen at that point




Yeah, but do you KNOW how potent those ACTUALLY were?  That could all be an illusion, enhanced by time and distance and the impossibility of replicating it.  Of course you can't replicate any given trip. :lol:

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A lot of times I wonder if the mushies even do anything at all and if it's not entirely in the mind of the user. For instance to play off the old homage of trees and woods, if you dose someone without their knowledge and you're not around to see them trip do they even trip at all? I could sincerely see it going both ways.




:okthatsfunny:  There are no psychedelic placebos.  But if you meditate regularly you're stirring the same pot as tripping.  In a good way. :thumbup:

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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18792939 - 09/03/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I notice on lsa the tolerance effect is much stronger. Shrooms you can get away with doing it twice you might have to eat some more.but with lsa its like you have to wait two weeks and I was very confused at 16 wondering why the hawaiian babys didn't work anymore


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: crimsonking91]
    #18792984 - 09/03/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I wish I were you krypto2000.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: sukhavati12]
    #18795406 - 09/03/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Haha, I'm not sure if that's a compliment or not tbh (or rather a good thing), but maybe just trip more and you will be :shrug:. It wasn't always like that for me, I literally used to have the 'by the book' tolerance of having to double the dose the next day and waiting 4-7 days for it to reset. I also suspect, as I may have mentioned, that meditation has a lot to do with it.


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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18795585 - 09/03/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's not typical, even though it seems to be your experience. :shrug:

People don't lose tolerance through tripping more often, although they can gain HPPD, which can be a bitch.

What you may have is a heightened sensitivity to tripping side effects, which tips you into it more easily...

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Re: Anyone else have a reverse tolerance or inability to gain a tolerance to psyches? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18799139 - 09/04/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that's kinda along the lines of what I'm thinking too. Often times I can literally just trip out over nothing, even get that very spiritual type connectedness to everything, but it's both a blessing and a curse really. Just like tripping though I'd say there's definitely more good sides than bad, but there are those moments where everything can just be overwhelming and it feels like you're awkwardly stumbling through the bowels of your own consciousness while just trying to shop for bread and milk :eek:. It's all good though, everything passes, and then you're right back at the start, ready to do it all again :laugh:.


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