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Roger Wilco
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Bluteus
#18789450 - 09/02/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I found some blue Pluteus today!
I am now convinced I've found 3 active species of Pluteus previous to this one. It's the smell that is distinct. I've found dozens of pluteus that do not smell like this, and 4 that do. All distinctly smelling Pluteus also darken. This one darkened blue. My total haul this time was 4 mushrooms and they are all in the fridge. Would a cardboard tek be a good idea with these stem butts? Leads to any information, or know anyone who has worked with Pluteus would be appreciated. It's a very common genus in my area and I'd like to learn more. I have gill frags of 2 of the species for some wizard with a scope.




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very promising
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pseudotsuga said: very promising 
Very pretty, too.
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Love the pluteus. Those have cool cap colors.
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They're interesting, I've never found any Pluteus specimens, I find a fair amount of Volvariella sp though (which usually also presents itself by gorgeous specimens), I don't see many of those from Northen America posted here on the shroomery. Unluckily for me Volvariella has no active species 
Beautiful find OP
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Re: Bluteus [Re: pouihi]
#18790007 - 09/02/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OP take note of radial striation on your bluing finds. I think I've noticed that any "active" or bluing plutei will have that striation, whereas "fawn mushrooms" do not. Just an observation. I love your photos btw. Nice job!
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Very nice find!
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Roger Wilco
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Has anybody every tried these? Does anyone know someone with experience??
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These ones are different finds, found yesterday. I found them on this very log about 1.5 months ago as well. They could be a different species than the mushrooms in the original post. The blue is still blue, but has a grayer tone. Last time I found these, i beat them up a bit to coax out more color, and it made them stain brown. Radial lines are harder to see, as the meatier cap is less transluscent to see the gills.

This time I kept them in more pristine condition, and the blue became obviated on its own.








These ones are the smallest of the finds from the group photo, not as meaty.


These guys have much meatier caps that end up flat or even curving up into a "slight bowl". The Origial post mushrooms drooped when mature like an "umbrella", and has thinner gills. The blue is slightly lighter tone. Size is comparable.
Original Post Finds


I have also found ultra tiny ones this week that had the smell and darken. They were all found in different locations.



I went back to the find from the Original post yesterday, and found pins!!!! They are much thinner, fleshier and softer than the pluteus pins from the summer. I remember reading that P cyanopus (I think) had indentations all over the pins. Some Pluteus mushrooms I found in the summer were much smaller final fruits, and much meatier as pins. These were found in june (i think) on the remnants of a removed stump in a residential lawn. I am showing this to contrast different species, and to push you Great Lake hunters to go searching, perhaps in a few years we will have a more accurate guide to hunt this group of species.
Indents
 Not fragile

Yesterdays pins did not have this indented feature. They were a dark grey-almost-black, and very thin and fragile. They were mishapen. I watered them. Today I returned to find larger, more uniform shaped still fragile and thin pins. I will add more from these guys when they grow up.


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http://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mushroom-Dosage-Calculator A link to the dosage calculator. Nice Finds! I have found P. cervinus, but not these yet. P. Salicinus P. Villosus and P. Cyanopsis are all pretty much synonymous.
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The ones with lighter color in your first post I think is P. cyanopus Those with the dark caps and blue bruising stems are really interesting. . There are a few actives except p. salicinus and P. cyanpus, but they are even more rare like P. villosus, P. glaucus and P. nigroviridis, not found in North America I think. It seems like the active Pluteus species are not yet fully explored.
I am collecting P. salicinus for a trip, but have only found 2 mushrooms in 2 years, so I think I have to wait a few more years. But you should have enough there if you dare to.. This unexplored status is however something that keeps many from eating them. It can potentially be dangerous.
dodeski: they are not synonyms.
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"dodeski: they are not synonyms." Thank you, I have not done too much research in this genus. I would be happy to Bio-assay any I found.
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Roger Wilco
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I've for sure got a dose. I'm not sure if these are too seldomly identified and collected, or plain too rare to eat? I know they are hard to cultivate from dried material.......
I'll sit on them a bit longer......
As far as I know there is no accounts of toxicity in Pluteus.......
Just for fun, I sometimes look at this website of mushrooms of the Great Lakes.
There are 5 species listed on this link that resemble the darker Pluteus mushroms I find. The authenticity of these names cannot be verified. I wonder how many of these species have had been chemically analyzed.
http://gljive.yuku.com/forums/97/Pluteus
insidiosus - I'm going to use this name as a working title in quotations for the one with meatier caps. magnus pouzarianus (only one of the photos resmbles) - weakest match primus salicinus - I'm going to use this name for the original post as a working title
"insidiosus"

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Last year I ate them a few different times. Never had a scale so I can't say exactly how many grams I had, but they are supposed to be similar to cubensis in their potency gram for gram. Try 2-3 grams and see where that gets you. They have literally zero body load, and are a very light and uplifting experience. They feel just like they look. That won't make sense until you try them. Lol.
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Roger Wilco
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More.
Last night I picked 2 more "salicinus". This morning I got a few more of the "meaty one".
Let's have a look.
Pluteus "salicinus"









meaty Pluteus "insidiosus"



Comparison


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Pluteus+blue= Bluteus. That's funny, for a minutes I was think "what the fuck is a Bluteus"!? I thought maybe you spelled Boletus wrong then I open the thread and  These find are very cool, it's not often people around here find them. I've been looking for year and never found a single one.
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Roger Wilco said: Would a cardboard tek be a good idea with these stem butts?
I would clone a fresh mushroom on to agar, and then go to grain and then to a sawdust block. The spores do not germinate easily so do not hesitate getting them on to agar. As far as I know no one has cultivated these, though they should not be too difficult if you can get a culture going.
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I have gill frags of 2 of the species for some wizard with a scope.
You should mail out the whole mushroom, or at least a pie slice of the cap. The pileipellis is important when trying to determine the species, as P. cyanopus and P. salicinus are in different sections of the genus and have very different pileipellis structures. No postal inspector is going to ding you for a couple tiny mushrooms anyway, they are used to finding pounds of cubes in the mail.
Nice pics, the only real flaw in the pics is the harsh shadow cast by the flash. This can be fixed somewhat by turning your camera upside down so the flash hits the gills instead of casting a shadow there. If cameras were made for mushroom hunters, they would have the flash under the lens.
But if you have time go for natural light and put some white paper or tinfoil just outside of the shot to reflect some light up on to the gills.
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Thanks for the update. I would love to see more photos of the habitat. 
I think P. insidiosus is only found in Europe... But I think P. salicus is correct for the gray ones with dark center. The question is what the bluing species with very dark caps is ( http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t593/rogerwilcofungus/DSC06800_zps296590dc.jpg )
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Has anyone used a mirror to reflect light? Or is that too much/harsh? I just can't see foil/paper surviving the wet/mud/pack for very long in usable condition.
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Re: Bluteus [Re: fry day]
#18812027 - 09/07/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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fry day said: Has anyone used a mirror to reflect light? Or is that too much/harsh? I just can't see foil/paper surviving the wet/mud/pack for very long in usable condition.
I have never heard of using a mirror, seems like it would create unnatural bright spots. I use the collapsable reflectors like this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/buy/Collapsible-Reflectors/ci/1327/N/4062040412 ;
I got mine on ebay really cheap direct from China, best $5 I ever spent. The other best $5 I ever spent was a white umbrella from ebay. Came in the mail from China in a cool home made box. White umbrellas are really good when the mushroom is in direct sunlight, or it is viscid and has hot spots on the cap which look white when you see the photos.
I think you could also bring a notebook and use white paper, but that would be a bit less directed. A lot of people recommend wrapping cardboard in tinfoil. Or since you always carry a tackle box when mushroom hunting (right?) you could cover one side with tinfoil.
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Sigh. Tackle box? Everything but...
Thanks, Alan!
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