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Invisibletrampis
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New Salvia Law (Texas)
    #18788664 - 09/02/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

source.

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A new set of laws in the State of Texas has gone into effect starting September 1st. One of those laws now makes Salvia, a popular hallucinogenic herb often smoked among teens illegal.

Before this law went into effect, Salvia Divinorum was easily accessible online and over the counter at head shops. But now, it will become more difficult to get a hold of. Those caught with this substance will face jail time.

"I think it's a good thing it's illegal. They don't need to be smoking all that stuff. There's no telling what's in it" said Cody Demoss, a Texoma resident.

With its hallucinogenic effects, Salvia has become a growing problem for law enforcement officials and parents.

"We can't stop them if they're gonna continue selling it. They're handicapping us as parents by making it available to children and to people who are willing to sell it to children on the outside" said Valerie Lewis, a concerned parent.

Although this law is a step in the right direction, parents are worried about how far some teens will go to get a hold of this product.

"I think it's gonna be an underground market that's gonna be opening up a lot more for this type of substance. The more you want something the pricier it's gonna get. Children are gonna start doing things they normall wouldn't do for it" said Jesus Vasquez, parent of one boy.

Another Texoma parent, Roy Pierce agrees. "I really do think they'll try to do everything they can to get a hold of that because they're addicted to it. They wana do it" he said.

So in order to keep Salvia away from teens and young children, parents say it's all up to them.

"You have to watch who your children hang out with, what they do after school. Try to give them extra-curricular activities. If not, they're just gonna follow and do what they wana do" said Vasquez.

"It's up to the parents. They should instill and talk to their children about these things. That's what a parent does" said Texoma resident Margaret Testa.

Under this new measure, Salvia will be placed under Penalty Group 3 in the Texas Controlled Substances Act which is punishable by a State Jail Felony.


Cynthia Kobayashi, Newschannel Six.




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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: trampis]
    #18788731 - 09/02/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A fuckin felony! WTF! I'm no fan of the stuff, but jesus, weeds only a class 2 misdomenor... I can't belive there going from completely and utterly legal to a felony. That's fucked up texas... I'm not gunna mess with you,... but that's fucked up.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: huffinglue]
    #18788790 - 09/02/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This article is full of all sorts of stupid.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: huffinglue]
    #18788793 - 09/02/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Same with pipes in FL.  Sometimes I think FL is Texass idiot retard brother and the other way around around depending on who's following who


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: huffinglue] * 1
    #18788796 - 09/02/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"there's no telling what's in it." Maybe not for an imbecile law maker, but the rest of us are quite aware that a box of salvia contains... Salvia


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: JacksonMetaller] * 1
    #18788813 - 09/02/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No its a potent Kappa opiate receptor agonist.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: dark3st]
    #18788827 - 09/02/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

this sucks


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: cops]
    #18788905 - 09/02/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

two states legalized marijuana

so of course the most red state in all of America is going to fight back by making salvia illegal. Honestly, i know it shouldnt be illegal, but i dont think head shops should be allowed to sell it. So many videos on the internet of people smoking this stuff... it is a sacred plant that has a real history of shamanic usage. Leave it to teenage Texans to disrespect a religious sacrament.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: clemens] * 3
    #18788996 - 09/02/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think teenage texans are the only ones that disrespect religious sacrements...


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: huffinglue]
    #18789024 - 09/02/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

sorry, i must of came off as a dick :vaped:

no disrespect for texas, my brother was born in texas and i love king of the hill and austin.

they made salvia illegal in florida too, so we dropped the ball over here too.

much love for Texas, while I was in Austin i got to see peyote growing for the first and only time. Thank you Texas, sorry salvia is illegal over there now, hope you guys got your salvia cutting before this law passed.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: clemens]
    #18789087 - 09/02/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Texas logic is fucking retarded. 

they act like there are additives in salvia like cigarettes. wtf.

addiction... i suppose its possible, but I've never heeard of someone selling all their shit or robbing someone to support their salvia addiction.

and you have to be 18 or accompanied by an adult to enter a head shop.  How the hell are these parents gonna do any better keeping an eye on their kids if they are oblivious to the fact they somehow walked into a headshop and bought some or had a friend get it.  they should have been doing what the article suggested before it got to this point, you know, be a fucking parent. 

wth texas!


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: omegafaust]
    #18789114 - 09/02/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"There's no telling what's in it"


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: cops]
    #18789240 - 09/02/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Extra curricular activities ripe with the undertone of fascist militarism.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Konyap]
    #18789477 - 09/02/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ahh,,, I know what this is about, Lamaar Smith, that fucktard...


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Konyap]
    #18789874 - 09/02/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This is nothing but a blatent attempt to keep mylie cyrus from coming to texas and corrupting inocent texas youth with radical views and the hottest new dance moves.
We see what salvia did to her, right?


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Rockhound]
    #18790058 - 09/02/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This is nothing but a blatent attempt to keep mylie cyrus from coming to texas and corrupting inocent texas youth with radical views and the hottest new dance moves.
We see what salvia did to her, right?



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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Hashfinger]
    #18790248 - 09/02/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

dam gov


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: nhmi]
    #18790395 - 09/02/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh well. Its terrifying as shit, so its hard to even use for a spitual psychedelic experience (or a good one anyway) It basically rips your mind into little pieces and lets them burn in hell for a few minutes.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #18790540 - 09/02/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Its not for everyone.  Salvia is for those who are resourceful with information and can put the peaces together after the trip. Its only confusing if your confused in life.

My trip of 60x took me to a factory that showed the repetition in my everyday drug use. Nothing is random except randomness.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: trampis]
    #18791227 - 09/02/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good to see the former Bush and Reagan supporters are still firmly clamped to the underside of the GOP's nutsack. :facepalm: "Let's not worry about violent militias a stone's throw away trying to get more guns from and push more drugs to America. No, let's find another fucking plant to demonize in an attempt to control more people. Christ forbid somebody actually tries to explore their consciousness a little bit and has what could only horrifyingly be described as a meaningful experience. *Gasp* What kind of a world would it be where one person is different than other. *Shudders*"


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18791337 - 09/02/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I never got much from using salvia, must if you can't tell what's in it just smoke it and you will know.  Probably much better that salvia is put into the same choices as cartel drugs, much safer for the kiddies.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Durin] * 1
    #18791462 - 09/02/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Durin said:
This article is full of all sorts of stupid.





That's because Texas is full of all sorts of stupid.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #18792174 - 09/02/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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xbloodwhipx said:
Oh well. Its terrifying as shit, so its hard to even use for a spitual psychedelic experience (or a good one anyway) It basically rips your mind into little pieces and lets them burn in hell for a few minutes.



Still, it's something you gotta try once. For most people it is anyway.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: BlackWidow]
    #18792364 - 09/02/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It gave me tactile hallucinations for dreams though :/


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: trampis]
    #18792761 - 09/02/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is it just me or are the parents in this article unknowingly advocating that to keep this drug legal and put stricter controls on it be safer then criminalizing it and forcing an underground market and all the shady activities that come with that? Maybe I'm just projecting though....also what's up with the spelling mistakes? That discredits any article for me immediately, not that they need the help usually


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Oldgregg]
    #18792817 - 09/03/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

LOLZ "...the land of the free, and the home of the brave"

Salvia is legal where I live and you never hear anything about it. The whole experience lasts between 5 and 15 minutes; it is not a safety concern for kids. The real safety concern will be the black market and the cops who arrest kids for smoking the herb.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Freedreamer]
    #18792900 - 09/03/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It lasted me maybe 10 seconds, I can't imagine breaking through but why care you can't just smoke a joint of salvia and breakthrough that's not how it works


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Konyap]
    #18793120 - 09/03/13 04:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Its not just texas. Salvia has long been illegal in other states. Its stupid and I dont agree with it but its not just texas and red states. We need to change the way we think not just our elected represenatives to change our drug policy. Obama sure did a lot for the cause. Oh wait...


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: niteman] * 1
    #18793172 - 09/03/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He did a lot for crack, because he is expected to cater to the american people.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Konyap]
    #18793919 - 09/03/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well I currently  live in Texas..I have gotten it at smoke shops a few years ago and had some interesting exprience...I dont really mind  that it wont be in head shops because if i would every try it again i would order it online...do you think someone could still order it online even if in a state where its illegal and get away with it?


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: starlighter]
    #18794499 - 09/03/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Coming to a gas station near you; "Synthetic salvia" now with twice the convulsions :super:


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18794595 - 09/03/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.botanicalspirit.com/?aref=9451
You can still get live salvia cuttings here shipped from Canada. They only ship to states where it is legal, so consider getting yours before the Feds get involved.
This is the body of an email I received from their Canadian company when I commented on the new state law where I live...pretty startling:

"yah its insane the laws on this plant - such a shame the corruption involved in having this banned. All this is-is a move by Big Pharma to start banning the plant in States where they are not doing studies on it... and this helps so that when they learn to isolate the actives; they then can use the State bans to assist in having it Federally Scheduled. North America is one of the most Fascist places on Earth and what makes it so powerful is the mass majority feel they are free, what a joke! We can't talk on the phone with out being monitored and Federal agencies now have the right to raid and seize anything they want with out a warrant/court order or probable cause. This is what people in the US used to watch going on in Russia and bad-mouth them for saying how bad it is... now people need to look around!
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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: trampis]
    #18794634 - 09/03/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You no longer have the right to be free in this damn country:confused:


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: jonnymushroom] * 1
    #18794656 - 09/03/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

the minute you prohibit something you make it instantly attractive.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18796374 - 09/03/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Camwritesgonzo said:
Good to see the former Bush and Reagan supporters are still firmly clamped to the underside of the GOP's nutsack. :facepalm: "Let's not worry about violent militias a stone's throw away trying to get more guns from and push more drugs to America. No, let's find another fucking plant to demonize in an attempt to control more people. Christ forbid somebody actually tries to explore their consciousness a little bit and has what could only horrifyingly be described as a meaningful experience. *Gasp* What kind of a world would it be where one person is different than other. *Shudders*"




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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: bourgeo]
    #18796499 - 09/03/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wow.

So, in addition to most of them just smoking Salvia once and never wanting to touch it again, these parents also want their teens to go to prison if they get caught with it. 

I do not enjoy Salvia, and even if they made it a death sentence it wouldn't personally affect me much.  But that's really not the point here.  The problem is that we still have laws being passed with a Richard Nixon or Nancy Reagan type of vibe.  "We'll make the consequences so bad, no one will ever think of doing what we don't want!"  Except that people will still do whatever drugs they want.  Even in countries where people are executed, we still find plenty of drugs.  I don't understand how these lawmakers think this produces a net positive result for society, but I guess I am assigning them too much altruism and rationality.  It's much easier to point to a group of people, say Salvia sellers, and claim they are causing the problems in society that politicians won't admit they are too stupid or too rigidly partisan to solve.  Plus most of the public loves drug busts and things that hurt evil drug users.  They get a scapegoat and more votes at the cost of these peoples' lives.  Just like how the cops will lock you up forever on bullshit so they can seize your house for departmental funding.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: dokunai]
    #18797533 - 09/04/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, a lot of politicians all over the world are realizing that prohibition just isn't working. There is light at the end of the tunnel, finally.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #18798641 - 09/04/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

xbloodwhipx said:
Oh well. Its terrifying as shit, so its hard to even use for a spitual psychedelic experience (or a good one anyway) It basically rips your mind into little pieces and lets them burn in hell for a few minutes.




Only if you fear ...

I like salvia as much as mushrooms/lsd when I smoke it/after - and it's stronger than a high dose of LSD, they can't even be compared - salvia is very psychedelic but also a bit disassociative IMO

it gives good mood after it + next day
and also during it, always laugh for several mins on it, more than on shrooms/lsd

also, prohibition will not make me stop using it:-)
will keep using as the sacred plant it is, it has a lot to teach if used respectfully, without fearing it

grow it, then you can appreciate it better/have more respect for it

beautiful houseplant

Did I mention it's often more fun than weed with good friends?

0.038g of 20x is the dose where people don't freak out, it's a medium-high 20x dose (have had 4 people smoke that dose without problems, complete psychedelic newbies)
take twice that and expect to freak out... set/setting/dose as with any psychedelic
I usually only take 0.038 myself, and done 20x about 20 times, transports me outside pleasantly each time, into a new universe/dimension with entities in

With salvia, next day there is no hangover(fog) like with weed
only good mood
It even helps me notice the miracles of nature sometimes / helps lucid dreams at times
it calms the mind which helps awareness/mindfulness/meditation .. no worries next day after salvia, only good mood, no thoughts
no thoughts is nice, then you can accept everything you see

which usually results in happiness everyday :-)


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: lessismore]
    #18798712 - 09/04/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms are terrifying as shit to most people too in 4g+ doses

most people never want to try them again when they get their first bad trip

just a thing to keep in mind

I always get warned not to take a high dose of shrooms by those ex-users, many people stop using them after that/bad trips

The bad is in the mind...

I love shrooms, even though I've had many bad trips(so bad they made me quit shrooms for 6-8 months)
those teach as much as the good ones

Respect set/setting/dose , then mostly good trips with most psychedelics
Salvia bad trips are not worse than bad trips on shrooms... (the bad ones I've had on salvia just hurt a bit and feel trapped... shroom bad trips are so bad I don't want to speak of them...)

No matter how experienced I was with other psychedelics(LSD,shrooms,dmt etc) I wouldn't go over 20x extract of salvia my first few handfuls of times
20x can be -plenty- potent

10x to 20x is best for beginners, don't take a high dose of 20x before you feel ready
5x salvia was the most pleasant for me, I could keep smoking that and it was pleasant...
can't keep smoking 20x... it's a bit intense

leaves do nothing except relax me


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: lessismore]
    #18798750 - 09/04/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mushrooms are terrifying as shit to most people too in 4g+ doses

most people never want to try them again when they get their first bad trip

just a thing to keep in mind







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    #18798768 - 09/04/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh well. Its terrifying as shit, so its hard to even use for a spitual psychedelic experience (or a good one anyway) It basically rips your mind into little pieces and lets them burn in hell for a few minutes.



Still, it's something you gotta try once. For most people it is anyway.




Yup
Salvia will  redefine your definition of what a psychedelic can do

LSD is nothing in comparison

even 5x salvia will give you real visuals, and you might talk to people who are not there / have visions in mid air or 3d visuals in your room of things/people you know that look real

20x is much beyond that ;-)
try it, don't expect anything, it will give you a wild ride

it's like a crazy lucid dream,  you're not in your room anylonger with 20x or above if you do it right (hold hit 30secs+torch lighter hold on bowl all the time,keep taking hits till you dont know what a bong is , you MUST use a bong)
also salvia is so potent that you MUST use a scale ... just like you must with mushrooms
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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: lessismore]
    #18798788 - 09/04/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They should at least be happy that most people who break through on salvia will never touch it again.


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    #18798816 - 09/04/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Man oh man I loved my breakthrough but I'd never touch it again it told me everything I need to know and that's all I needed. But it didn't scare me. Just as the dude said it lets you know what a psychedelic can do.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: dark3st]
    #18799049 - 09/04/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I hated salvia so I don't even care. :shrug:


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Uzziel]
    #18799647 - 09/04/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Last time I did salvia was with 100x, I was a particle moving at extremely fast speeds throughout the universe. While I wouldn't define that as a bad trip, it was enough to last me a lifetime :lol: :crazy2:

I did have a bag of 500x kicking around that was supposed to be used at my bachelor party, but we got too wrecked and forgot about it, thank god.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Uzziel]
    #18799678 - 09/04/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

lol one time i took a bong hit of salvia and the bathroom got like worm-hole sucked up into like the corner of the mirror, so i tried to crawl out but I felt like my arms and legs weighed a ton, so i preceded to slam them into my concrete floor as if they really did weigh more then normal

Once out of the bathroom I laid on my floor and glanced over at a couple maps that were on the wall. The shape of the state im in, all 3 of them(there were 3 maps), turned into humanoid-sunflowers that danced in a circle singing its a small world :lol:


It wore off in like 10 minutes, and short of a little bruise on my knee there was nothing wrong with it. I still dont think kids should be doing something so powerful all willy nilly, but a felony is cray cray


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18799679 - 09/04/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

500x isn't even real 500x salvia , but 50x likely

500x = 500fx = 50x standardized ?

always buy standardized, then you know what you got

afaik only up to about 200x salvia is available (close to pure salvinorin A)

bu t200x is ridicolous high
20x is intense :-) , 50x is very intense of 1 hit (which I think your 500x is.. 50x)


don't understand why people buy the highest extract they can get (without reading about it often)
or maybe I just have more respect for salvia than most people ;P
I wouldn't do 20 hits of LSD my first try, neither would I want to do 50x salvia first try lol
I would never return to my body if I did that probably (20x is so intense I rarely dare to smoke it alone anymore, even though I love salvia - melted into couch, fell to the floor, got squeezed into the wall and started walking around once - luckily with sitter)

psychedelics you must learn to go with the flow on, don't just jump in the deep end first

and ... 500x for a bachelor party :frown:
that's the reason salvia is banned IMO..
you should have gotten 5x... that would actually have been pleasant+fun for most people...
500x will scare them for life (50x)

1000x salvia for the swimming club would be just as good a dose+setting, or for the driving course :wink:
99.9% certainty of disaster + havoc


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: lessismore]
    #18800101 - 09/04/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hey I'm not saying salvia at the strippers, or anywhere really public for that matter is a good idea. I figured the coke, weed and booze were more than enough, but one of my buddies who had poor judgment got it. I really didn't want to hurt his feelings by flat out telling him hell no, but fortunately we all got totally wrecked and forgot about it.

Also I totally agree on using psyches carefully, it took me 2 years of regular tripping to work up the guts to do a lvl 5 trip.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18801860 - 09/05/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This article is disgusting....very biased and not well informed at all. If they got young teens walking in head shops buying it I think there is a bigger problem presented here....
They should just raise the age to smoke and buy salvia to 21.

Ive always thought they should sell salvia with a panthlet that gives you directions and tips on salvia and tripping in general and what not. That way people will have an idea of what they are fucking around with and how they should and shouldn't use it.

The real key here is responsibility.....its smart to be a responsible drinker, just as it would be smart to be a responsible salvia smoker.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: trampis]
    #18802068 - 09/05/13 04:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

WTF Salvia grows wild in Texas, how and why is it a felony to not pick all the pretty purple flowers that just happen to be in your backyard.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Sockadin]
    #18802098 - 09/05/13 04:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You're right, salvia is a popular decor plant. You can't just smoke straight up salvia anyway.:facepalm:


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Konyap]
    #18802124 - 09/05/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Apparently if it's not harvested it's o.k.

So we can all chill the fuck out.


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    #18802382 - 09/05/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh well. Its terrifying as shit, so its hard to even use for a spitual psychedelic experience (or a good one anyway) It basically rips your mind into little pieces and lets them burn in hell for a few minutes.




Salvia and LSA and pedro/torch saved my life and helped lead me in a positive direction. I'm a much better (but still flawed) person who has experienced drastic life-altering experiences. I'm sorry it didn't treat you well. Dunno where I'd be if I didn't smoke salvia on all those entheogen trips.


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    #18802636 - 09/05/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I smoked some the other day and loved it.

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    #18803917 - 09/05/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I hated salvia so I don't even care. :shrug:




So what, I dont like the color cyan and you dont hear me trying to get it criminalized.


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    #18803932 - 09/05/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They want to make it illegal federally obviously, but as of right now I believe you just can't have it in your personal belonging.


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    #18803939 - 09/05/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't like the color black and I'm not trying to get any brothers arrested.

You see how flawed your logic is. (The cyan color is a good one but I think black people hit home more because it makes people uncomfortable for some reasion to discuss lol)


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    #18804020 - 09/05/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't like the color black and I'm not trying to get any brothers arrested.

You see how flawed your logic is. (The cyan color is a good one but I think black people hit home more because it makes people uncomfortable for some reasion to discuss lol)





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I honestly don't remember writing that lol


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    #18806618 - 09/06/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This is nothing but a blatent attempt to keep mylie cyrus from coming to texas and corrupting inocent texas youth with radical views and the hottest new dance moves.
We see what salvia did to her, right?



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    #18807512 - 09/06/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh well. Its terrifying as shit, so its hard to even use for a spitual psychedelic experience (or a good one anyway) It basically rips your mind into little pieces and lets them burn in hell for a few minutes.




Salvia and LSA and pedro/torch saved my life and helped lead me in a positive direction. I'm a much better (but still flawed) person who has experienced drastic life-altering experiences. I'm sorry it didn't treat you well. Dunno where I'd be if I didn't smoke salvia on all those entheogen trips.




Changed my life too, but not sure if it was the
Salvia / LSD / Mushrooms

they all seem to be doing the same basically
next day the world is new like first time you saw it, and no problems :-)

or it becomes obvious how to solve the problems and be happy + more motivated
problems solve themselves after them, because no new problems are created , so much better overview of thought


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    #18808178 - 09/06/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh well. Its terrifying as shit, so its hard to even use for a spitual psychedelic experience (or a good one anyway) It basically rips your mind into little pieces and lets them burn in hell for a few minutes.




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    #18808292 - 09/06/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't do over 20x salvia your first time

Beginners should start with 5x,10x or 20x max  , no matter how experienced you are

If you think you have much psychedelic experience go with 20x, else go with 5x or 10x

Then it will be much easier to have a good trip (set/setting/dose)

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    #18808302 - 09/06/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would always hit 20x and think "well I've gone as far as I needed to today"

But I assume people can smoke to much and go into salvia space so much that they don't know where or what they are.

I liked it in the long run.


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