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OfflineMorel Guy
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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18791337 - 09/02/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I never got much from using salvia, must if you can't tell what's in it just smoke it and you will know.  Probably much better that salvia is put into the same choices as cartel drugs, much safer for the kiddies.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Durin] * 1
    #18791462 - 09/02/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Durin said:
This article is full of all sorts of stupid.





That's because Texas is full of all sorts of stupid.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #18792174 - 09/02/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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xbloodwhipx said:
Oh well. Its terrifying as shit, so its hard to even use for a spitual psychedelic experience (or a good one anyway) It basically rips your mind into little pieces and lets them burn in hell for a few minutes.



Still, it's something you gotta try once. For most people it is anyway.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: BlackWidow]
    #18792364 - 09/02/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It gave me tactile hallucinations for dreams though :/


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: trampis]
    #18792761 - 09/02/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is it just me or are the parents in this article unknowingly advocating that to keep this drug legal and put stricter controls on it be safer then criminalizing it and forcing an underground market and all the shady activities that come with that? Maybe I'm just projecting though....also what's up with the spelling mistakes? That discredits any article for me immediately, not that they need the help usually


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Oldgregg]
    #18792817 - 09/03/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

LOLZ "...the land of the free, and the home of the brave"

Salvia is legal where I live and you never hear anything about it. The whole experience lasts between 5 and 15 minutes; it is not a safety concern for kids. The real safety concern will be the black market and the cops who arrest kids for smoking the herb.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Freedreamer]
    #18792900 - 09/03/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It lasted me maybe 10 seconds, I can't imagine breaking through but why care you can't just smoke a joint of salvia and breakthrough that's not how it works


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Konyap]
    #18793120 - 09/03/13 04:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Its not just texas. Salvia has long been illegal in other states. Its stupid and I dont agree with it but its not just texas and red states. We need to change the way we think not just our elected represenatives to change our drug policy. Obama sure did a lot for the cause. Oh wait...


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: niteman] * 1
    #18793172 - 09/03/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He did a lot for crack, because he is expected to cater to the american people.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Konyap]
    #18793919 - 09/03/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well I currently  live in Texas..I have gotten it at smoke shops a few years ago and had some interesting exprience...I dont really mind  that it wont be in head shops because if i would every try it again i would order it online...do you think someone could still order it online even if in a state where its illegal and get away with it?


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: starlighter]
    #18794499 - 09/03/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Coming to a gas station near you; "Synthetic salvia" now with twice the convulsions :super:


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18794595 - 09/03/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.botanicalspirit.com/?aref=9451
You can still get live salvia cuttings here shipped from Canada. They only ship to states where it is legal, so consider getting yours before the Feds get involved.
This is the body of an email I received from their Canadian company when I commented on the new state law where I live...pretty startling:

"yah its insane the laws on this plant - such a shame the corruption involved in having this banned. All this is-is a move by Big Pharma to start banning the plant in States where they are not doing studies on it... and this helps so that when they learn to isolate the actives; they then can use the State bans to assist in having it Federally Scheduled. North America is one of the most Fascist places on Earth and what makes it so powerful is the mass majority feel they are free, what a joke! We can't talk on the phone with out being monitored and Federal agencies now have the right to raid and seize anything they want with out a warrant/court order or probable cause. This is what people in the US used to watch going on in Russia and bad-mouth them for saying how bad it is... now people need to look around!
'The true meaning of Fascism is not being able to see a clear line between Government and Corporate Interest'"


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: trampis]
    #18794634 - 09/03/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You no longer have the right to be free in this damn country:confused:


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: jonnymushroom] * 1
    #18794656 - 09/03/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

the minute you prohibit something you make it instantly attractive.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18796374 - 09/03/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Good to see the former Bush and Reagan supporters are still firmly clamped to the underside of the GOP's nutsack. :facepalm: "Let's not worry about violent militias a stone's throw away trying to get more guns from and push more drugs to America. No, let's find another fucking plant to demonize in an attempt to control more people. Christ forbid somebody actually tries to explore their consciousness a little bit and has what could only horrifyingly be described as a meaningful experience. *Gasp* What kind of a world would it be where one person is different than other. *Shudders*"




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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: bourgeo]
    #18796499 - 09/03/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wow.

So, in addition to most of them just smoking Salvia once and never wanting to touch it again, these parents also want their teens to go to prison if they get caught with it. 

I do not enjoy Salvia, and even if they made it a death sentence it wouldn't personally affect me much.  But that's really not the point here.  The problem is that we still have laws being passed with a Richard Nixon or Nancy Reagan type of vibe.  "We'll make the consequences so bad, no one will ever think of doing what we don't want!"  Except that people will still do whatever drugs they want.  Even in countries where people are executed, we still find plenty of drugs.  I don't understand how these lawmakers think this produces a net positive result for society, but I guess I am assigning them too much altruism and rationality.  It's much easier to point to a group of people, say Salvia sellers, and claim they are causing the problems in society that politicians won't admit they are too stupid or too rigidly partisan to solve.  Plus most of the public loves drug busts and things that hurt evil drug users.  They get a scapegoat and more votes at the cost of these peoples' lives.  Just like how the cops will lock you up forever on bullshit so they can seize your house for departmental funding.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: dokunai]
    #18797533 - 09/04/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, a lot of politicians all over the world are realizing that prohibition just isn't working. There is light at the end of the tunnel, finally.


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #18798641 - 09/04/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

xbloodwhipx said:
Oh well. Its terrifying as shit, so its hard to even use for a spitual psychedelic experience (or a good one anyway) It basically rips your mind into little pieces and lets them burn in hell for a few minutes.




Only if you fear ...

I like salvia as much as mushrooms/lsd when I smoke it/after - and it's stronger than a high dose of LSD, they can't even be compared - salvia is very psychedelic but also a bit disassociative IMO

it gives good mood after it + next day
and also during it, always laugh for several mins on it, more than on shrooms/lsd

also, prohibition will not make me stop using it:-)
will keep using as the sacred plant it is, it has a lot to teach if used respectfully, without fearing it

grow it, then you can appreciate it better/have more respect for it

beautiful houseplant

Did I mention it's often more fun than weed with good friends?

0.038g of 20x is the dose where people don't freak out, it's a medium-high 20x dose (have had 4 people smoke that dose without problems, complete psychedelic newbies)
take twice that and expect to freak out... set/setting/dose as with any psychedelic
I usually only take 0.038 myself, and done 20x about 20 times, transports me outside pleasantly each time, into a new universe/dimension with entities in

With salvia, next day there is no hangover(fog) like with weed
only good mood
It even helps me notice the miracles of nature sometimes / helps lucid dreams at times
it calms the mind which helps awareness/mindfulness/meditation .. no worries next day after salvia, only good mood, no thoughts
no thoughts is nice, then you can accept everything you see

which usually results in happiness everyday :-)


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: lessismore]
    #18798712 - 09/04/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms are terrifying as shit to most people too in 4g+ doses

most people never want to try them again when they get their first bad trip

just a thing to keep in mind

I always get warned not to take a high dose of shrooms by those ex-users, many people stop using them after that/bad trips

The bad is in the mind...

I love shrooms, even though I've had many bad trips(so bad they made me quit shrooms for 6-8 months)
those teach as much as the good ones

Respect set/setting/dose , then mostly good trips with most psychedelics
Salvia bad trips are not worse than bad trips on shrooms... (the bad ones I've had on salvia just hurt a bit and feel trapped... shroom bad trips are so bad I don't want to speak of them...)

No matter how experienced I was with other psychedelics(LSD,shrooms,dmt etc) I wouldn't go over 20x extract of salvia my first few handfuls of times
20x can be -plenty- potent

10x to 20x is best for beginners, don't take a high dose of 20x before you feel ready
5x salvia was the most pleasant for me, I could keep smoking that and it was pleasant...
can't keep smoking 20x... it's a bit intense

leaves do nothing except relax me


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Re: New Salvia Law (Texas) [Re: lessismore]
    #18798750 - 09/04/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

mio said:
Mushrooms are terrifying as shit to most people too in 4g+ doses

most people never want to try them again when they get their first bad trip

just a thing to keep in mind







Its not the shrooms that terrify people it is themselves that are terrifying.


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