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gmuralid
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Metal - Rare Earth Bioremediation/ Uptake and reuse of neodymium?
#18788103 - 09/02/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If the following articles below are the case, could Nd extraction from chantrelles lead to reuse of the element for making more powerful magnets and energy devices.
Anyone know anything about Neodymium extraction from mushrooms?
Bioremediation and future tech all in one?
Mycorant
Assessment of heavy metals in mushrooms in edibles/China
Heavy Metals Accumulate More In Some Mushrooms Than In Others
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gmuralid
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Re: Metal - Rare Earth Bioremediation/ Uptake and reuse of neodymium? [Re: gmuralid]
#18816249 - 09/08/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bump.
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tiltajoel
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Re: Metal - Rare Earth Bioremediation/ Uptake and reuse of neodymium? [Re: gmuralid]
#18816300 - 09/08/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, they do accumulate heavy metals and rare-earths, but neodymium is probably found in low levels in most natural areas. I would guess too low to make it "economical".
Has anyone run the numbers?
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drake89
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Re: Metal - Rare Earth Bioremediation/ Uptake and reuse of neodymium? [Re: tiltajoel]
#18819834 - 09/09/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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even so, ore is much more plentiful than chantrelles- they have enough harvest pressure anyway.
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TheMaster
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Re: Metal - Rare Earth Bioremediation/ Uptake and reuse of neodymium? [Re: gmuralid]
#18820506 - 09/09/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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gmuralid said: If the following articles below are the case, could Nd extraction from chantrelles lead to reuse of the element for making more powerful magnets and energy devices.
Anyone know anything about Neodymium extraction from mushrooms?
Bioremediation and future tech all in one?
Mycorant
Assessment of heavy metals in mushrooms in edibles/China
Heavy Metals Accumulate More In Some Mushrooms Than In Others
Definitely not efficient, the mushrooms are worth more and at those levels I'd feel safe eating them. They are talking micrograms per gram i.e. Parts per million!
Just a few things they didn't cover are that since it was XRF spectroscopy the sample was most likely dried, powdered, and pelletized to be analyzed. So this is ppm is of dried mushrooms, even less efficient.
Also they would either have to A. Test these via a mostly theoretical standardless calibration or B Somehow buy/make powdered mushroom standards with known concentrations all while maintaining traceability. Kudos to them because neither is an easy task! They should have used mass spec!
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gmuralid
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Re: Metal - Rare Earth Bioremediation/ Uptake and reuse of neodymium? [Re: TheMaster]
#18823330 - 09/10/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tiltajoel said: Well, they do accumulate heavy metals and rare-earths, but neodymium is probably found in low levels in most natural areas. I would guess too low to make it "economical".
Has anyone run the numbers?
Thanks for that. What I was thinking of was more a 'mushrooms for accumulation and extraction tek' for neodymium, but maybe that's not the pop scene here.
I am not really looking for it to be the most 'economical' but more as a tek that could be explored, and if possible used as a strategy?
Numbers would be great to have, but I need to also get a sense of the 'science', im not a chemist nor am I the most familiar with these subjects.
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drake89 said: even so, ore is much more plentiful than chantrelles- they have enough harvest pressure anyway.
Agreed, but mining isn't my first option for future retrieval of elements(?) and in general I do agree, I wouldnt be suggesting that we harvest chants for the neodymium, more like that was a springboard to begin this discussion.
Im unfamiliar with other species that may be accumulators or hyperaccumulators of such elements, but I plan on finding out what I can. Id be interested to see if Gyms can do something, I have a keen interest in their capabilities.
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TheMaster said: Definitely not efficient, the mushrooms are worth more and at those levels I'd feel safe eating them. They are talking micrograms per gram i.e. Parts per million!
Just a few things they didn't cover are that since it was XRF spectroscopy the sample was most likely dried, powdered, and pelletized to be analyzed. So this is ppm is of dried mushrooms, even less efficient.
Also they would either have to A. Test these via a mostly theoretical standardless calibration or B Somehow buy/make powdered mushroom standards with known concentrations all while maintaining traceability. Kudos to them because neither is an easy task! They should have used mass spec!
In terms of edibility I agree, and would eat em with or without the heavy metals as a side!
Heheh...I feel enlightened based on this conversation.
On a side note: I saw a youtube video of a guy dissolving hard drive magnets to retrieve neodymium chloride in powder form.
I was thinking, possible from mushrooms to do some form of recoverable neodymium?
According to what you are all indicating, its the scale of operation that is the issue. I am personally pushing for a urban forestry and land stewardship approach, and am hoping to create some case studies with land resources (say 3-500 acres with local communities also willing to help) that may be forthcoming. I could try something like this or similar approaches with mushrooms and bioremediation.
Was thinking more like mushroom farming for the masses. And we get stronger mangnets as a biproduct. Next is levitation and lasers.
Anyway mushrooms brought me here.
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