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tarzan92
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
#18887298 - 09/24/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Duncan Rowhl
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
#18888159 - 09/25/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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teknix said: So it says, "Pray to jesus, instead of god, give your soul to him instead of sending it to god."
What was the first Commandment again, and why should it be voided?
If you can elaborate and explain how your reply relates to my reply I can comment.
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#18891772 - 09/25/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If the goal is to meld spirit back with god, where does it state that jesus is needed to do that in the bible?
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
#18892647 - 09/26/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it says that Jeebus said "No man cometh to the father but through me"
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: Icelander]
#18892676 - 09/26/13 05:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Didn't he speak through universal 'I' ?
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: HeartAndMind]
#18893362 - 09/26/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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HeartAndMind said: Didn't he speak through universal 'I' ?
Yes. Those references to coming to God through Christ, is a theology borrowed from Neo-Platonism, where the original Holy Trinity concept derives from. The Unmanifested ONE = the Father, Nous = the Son, the World Soul [Anima Mundi] = the Holy Spirit. Now the original Orthodox Christians maintained that these emanations emerge like a 'telescope' and humans go to God, by collapsing the telescoping emanations in the reverse order. The Western Catholics argued that the Holy Spirit proceeds not from the Father, but from the Father and Son - a triangulation rather than a 'linear' procession. This difference became known as the Filioque, and the Eastern and Western churches actually went to war about the doctrine.
At any rate, the Logos or the Nous, is the mind that enters back into God, The individual soul is a further declension from the World Soul from which it derives. Our individual souls do not go to God, hence it becomes imperative to have "the mind of Christ," we have to Realize our Universal Nature as did Jesus. These statements, made by John, do not make sense otherwise. It is not about asking an imaginary Jesus image on a throne for help, it is about assuming the god-role oneself. "Know ye not that ye are gods?" - Psalm 82; John 10:34. Notice the small 'g' in "gods." It does not say 'God.'
Edited by MarkostheGnostic (09/26/13 06:52 PM)
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Very interesting
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