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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: zzripz]
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Oops, double post.
I think after a certain age, people begin to adamantly resist change and what they believe they will continue to believe, and that is part of the reason why the world is in such a sad state today.
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: viktor]
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viktor said: I think the problem with it is that if you need a priest or a guy with a Ph.D to interpret it correctly there's little value to most people in it. Anything you claim about the truth of the Bible can be contradicted by someone else, and there's no way of knowing which of the tens of thousands of interpretations are correct or even valuable.
c.f. "biblical writings are midrash, by-and-large, and if one does not know what midrash is, then one will not understand much of what is intelligible."
What percentage of people do you reckon knows what midrash is? I don't think I've ever heard the term before today. If what you say is true and that one does not understand much of the bible without knowing then one must rely on someone else's interpretation, which usually means someone else's agenda.
How much of what YOU know is truly self-taught? I was taught the alphabet, numbers, colors, body parts, and a multitude of basic categories by my parents before I ever hit kindergarten. Ms. Metzger, my first grade teacher, taught me how to read from 'Dick and Jane' books. My dad taught me how to solder, use an electric drill, and other practical skills. My 3rd grade friend Sam, who became a Ph.D. genetic engineer at Cornell, taught me how to do long division because Mrs. Kent was a piss-poor 3rd grade teacher. Sam taught me about LASERS in the 5th grade, shortly after they were invented because his dad, an engineer, received Scientific American Magazine. I became the first kid to get a working LASER in 1969, way before you could buy a LASER cat toy for $3. I could flesh this out all day, through high school, college, seminary, grad school, and after, like being taught how to scuba dive, by experts, jujitsu, judo, etc.
I am also self-taught, but I still took myself to seminary to be instructed by others, yet I had to wade through the opinions of everyone to arrive at my own take on things like the Bible. After seminary, the long Jungian analysis I put myself through, and that school of psychology, gave me insights into biblical lore from a modern perspective. So yeah, I do have a Masters degree in Theological Studies and a Ph.D. in Developmental/Clinical Psychology, but I could teach anyone who trusted my experience and and who had an open mind, what value lies in biblical and extra-biblical writings. Those include the OT Pseudepigrapha, the NT Apocrypha, and the Nag Hammadi library - all excluded from the canonical Bible because they did not support the political agenda of dependence on church and priesthood. Now, if everyday mundane existence and survival preoccupy a person's mind, they simply won't make time to learn about such things, even from someone else who done all the legwork for them.
BTW, the great majority of Christians that I have met in my life have been utterly ignorant of ancient Judaism. Their versions of Iesous and Christianity are so shallow, so utterly 'Gentilized,' that it is impossible to understand that the bulk of the NT writings all relate to the Jewish liturgical calendar. I write this today, on 5774, Rosh Hashana, the New Year of the Jewish calendar. If you hadn't registered this before you read it, it is because you yourself are not Jewish, but more importantly, the entire gospel accounts all speak to innumerable references to ancient Judaism. The average Christian doesn't know dick about biblical Christianity because they know even less about Judaism. They believe they know only what they think is relevant to themselves. For example, Son of God is a title that referred to ALL kings in the Tenach (OT), not to a Greek demigod born of God (Greek: Zeus, Latin: Deus) and a mortal virgin. The Christian who understands their Messiah that way, doesn't understand the way any of it was implied by the actual Jewish sect of The Way, who eventually were called Christians. I don't blame people for rejecting the Bible because at the superficial, culturally whitewashed way it is read, it IS ridiculous. Read literally, I'd toss it out too! Like everything else in life, the truth lies in the depths, not the surface appearances. Shallow people see everything with shallow eyes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
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I recently saw this video---jsut let me try find it--where he is trying to show that Leonardo Da Vinci's painting of The Last shows when superimposed Jesus looking 'Satan'-like:
the satanic fuckers at ''tube'' which has become ADVERT CORPS TUBE have fucked about with my channel without my say so and have seemingly got rid of all my favourited videos, so I cannot find it!!!
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viktor said: I think the problem with it is that if you need a priest or a guy with a Ph.D to interpret it correctly there's little value to most people in it. Anything you claim about the truth of the Bible can be contradicted by someone else, and there's no way of knowing which of the tens of thousands of interpretations are correct or even valuable.
c.f. "biblical writings are midrash, by-and-large, and if one does not know what midrash is, then one will not understand much of what is intelligible."
What percentage of people do you reckon knows what midrash is? I don't think I've ever heard the term before today. If what you say is true and that one does not understand much of the bible without knowing then one must rely on someone else's interpretation, which usually means someone else's agenda.
How much of what YOU know is truly self-taught? I was taught the alphabet, numbers, colors, body parts, and a multitude of basic categories by my parents before I ever hit kindergarten. Ms. Metzger, my first grade teacher, taught me how to read from 'Dick and Jane' books. My dad taught me how to solder, use an electric drill, and other practical skills. My 3rd grade friend Sam, who became a Ph.D. genetic engineer at Cornell, taught me how to do long division because Mrs. Kent was a piss-poor 3rd grade teacher. Sam taught me about LASERS in the 5th grade, shortly after they were invented because his dad, an engineer, received Scientific American Magazine. I became the first kid to get a working LASER in 1969, way before you could buy a LASER cat toy for $3. I could flesh this out all day, through high school, college, seminary, grad school, and after, like being taught how to scuba dive, by experts, jujitsu, judo, etc.
I am also self-taught, but I still took myself to seminary to be instructed by others, yet I had to wade through the opinions of everyone to arrive at my own take on things like the Bible. After seminary, the long Jungian analysis I put myself through, and that school of psychology, gave me insights into biblical lore from a modern perspective. So yeah, I do have a Masters degree in Theological Studies and a Ph.D. in Developmental/Clinical Psychology, but I could teach anyone who trusted my experience and and who had an open mind, what value lies in biblical and extra-biblical writings. Those include the OT Pseudepigrapha, the NT Apocrypha, and the Nag Hammadi library - all excluded from the canonical Bible because they did not support the political agenda of dependence on church and priesthood. Now, if everyday mundane existence and survival preoccupy a person's mind, they simply won't make time to learn about such things, even from someone else who done all the legwork for them.
BTW, the great majority of Christians that I have met in my life have been utterly ignorant of ancient Judaism. Their versions of Iesous and Christianity are so shallow, so utterly 'Gentilized,' that it is impossible to understand that the bulk of the NT writings all relate to the Jewish liturgical calendar. I write this today, on 5774, Rosh Hashana, the New Year of the Jewish calendar. If you hadn't registered this before you read it, it is because you yourself are not Jewish, but more importantly, the entire gospel accounts all speak to innumerable references to ancient Judaism. The average Christian doesn't know dick about biblical Christianity because they know even less about Judaism. They believe they know only what they think is relevant to themselves. For example, Son of God is a title that referred to ALL kings in the Tenach (OT), not to a Greek demigod born of God (Greek: Zeus, Latin: Deus) and a mortal virgin. The Christian who understands their Messiah that way, doesn't understand the way any of it was implied by the actual Jewish sect of The Way, who eventually were called Christians. I don't blame people for rejecting the Bible because at the superficial, culturally whitewashed way it is read, it IS ridiculous. Read literally, I'd toss it out too! Like everything else in life, the truth lies in the depths, not the surface appearances. Shallow people see everything with shallow eyes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash
Have you read the Bhagavad gita (as it is) ?
I just got it today from a lady on campus, she was telling me how it was the first teachings in reference to metta the phenomena rather than the belief.
She had me at the point, I had to get it.
If you have read it what was your take?
I think these are the earliest writing we have regarding internal alchemy.
I've been trying to figure it out for quite a while and it just sort of fell into my lap when I was least expecting it.
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
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Yes, I spent a whole summer reading it and meditating. Must have been summer of '74 or '75. Sometimes the Krishnas would even give you one for free if they thought you had potential. It's been a long time, but basically, the path of Bhakti Yoga is seen to be superior to other Yogas. I once taught a classmate in grad school exactly what to say to proselytizing Hare Krishnas to cut them off in mid-sentence ("I contemplate the plenary expansion of Vishnu in the lotus of the heart"). In fact, I was drawn to the Yogas of "the Impersonalist," who does exactly that, contemplating the Presence of God in the Heart Center, or the mantra OM. Krishna as "the Supreme Personality of the Godhead," was a statement of belief that had immediate cultural ramifications for those who touted that philosophy, namely communal living, renunciation of personal possessions to the cult, etc.
I have always been a solitary practitioner of whatever discipline I was investigating, and I had no interest in shaving my head, wearing saffron, and dancing in the streets. But, the book with its commentaries was a classic Yoga text, and I knew that there was truth in its understanding of spiritual matters, even though my temperament does not predispose me to Bhakti. Even later, when I entered a Methodist seminary, I remained a solitary contemplative and assiduously avoided common worship. In my two years there, one of the students was dispatched to find me on one occasion in order to read scriptures on the pulpit during morning services that I never attended. Yet, in pleasant weather, I could be found on the lawn of Seminary Hall, sitting in lotus or half-lotus posture in solitary contemplation.
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Yeah, we were talking about non-clinging love and the biased attachments people tie to their love, and the ramifications of such clinging. She said that there is no charge for the book, but let me know the production costs and retail costs, I ended up giving her $10 for it anyways, because I only had a 10 and a couple of 1's. I felt it was worth it.
She was also somewhat versed in Buddhism which was bit surprising, but she knew how to correlate the teachings so I think they are probably pretty similar.
I've always been pretty independent as well, it seems like it is easier to sort things out that way.
I also told her I was taking biology to try and objectify the phenomena, and then she game me something about Mantras, which I told her they have never really been of much benefit to me, and she told me to take it anyway, lol.
I wonder if she knows would know people that can control the release of oxytocin, or call down heavenly qi, or bliss, or what do the Krishnas call it?
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
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Samadhi. With the Hindus it's always samadhi. Or ananda, bliss. Bliss-Permeated Mother, Sat Chit Ananda. I suppose one could see these conditions as Ram Dass' 'love as a state of being,' but oftentimes it seem like getting lost in a vertical ascent to Oneness neglects the horizontal dimension of "love your neighbor as yourself." The Buddhist metta (loving-kindness), and karuna (compassion), speak more to the human domain. I understand rather late in life that the samadhis or jhanas in Buddhism need to be surpassed for simple clarity. When I was young, I thought it was all about being in bliss. For some time now, I just want to Be, as Eckhart Tolle expresses it. I enjoy the energetic, pain-free "pain body," and the experience of being integrated on all levels, comfortable in my skin, when I take mushrooms, as well as the inner visuals, but it's no longer the heady feeling that draws me. I gave up cannabis decades ago. I don't want stoned, or sleepy feelings. I want tranquil clarity, pristine quiescent awareness. The emotional ecstasis of the Bhakta always seemed like tent revivalist stuff.
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Yeah, I'm a radical sorcerer, I wouldn't fit in with many organised belief systems, ehehe.
I'm not talking about the heart bliss, I'm talking about the bliss that permeates your body in waves from above the crown.
It's visible through goosebumps and hairs standing up when I do it. It is sort of a numb feeling but extremely blissful.
I don't really see visible evidence of the heart energy, unless you consider them one and the same.
Like prana . . . But not air that you breath with your lungs, you breath it in with your brain.
(You're right, it is ananda.)
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
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So I guess it is Savikalpa Samadhi. But what does Asamprajnata mean?
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
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Asamprajnata Samadhi is essentially Patanjali's term for Nirvikalpa Samadhi.
Samprajnata Samadhi conscious samadhi. The mind remains concentrated (ekagra) on the object of meditation, therefore the consciousness of the object of meditation persists. Mental modifications arise only in respect of this object of meditation. This state is of four kinds: Savitarka: the Chitta is concentrated upon a gross object of meditation such as a flame of a lamp, the tip of the nose, or the image of a deity. Savichara: the Chitta is concentrated upon a subtle object of meditation, such as the tanmatras Sananda: the Chitta is concentrated upon a still subtler object of meditation, like the senses. Sasmita: the Chitta is concentrated upon the ego-substance with which the self is generally identified. Asamprajnata Samadhi superconscious. The Chitta and the object of meditation are fused together. The consciousness of the object of meditation is transcended. All mental modifications are checked (niruddha), although latent impressions may continue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_Sutras_of_Patanjali
No offense, but it is doubtful in the extreme that you are living in Sahaj Samadhi, as Guru Neem Karolie Baba allegedly was. This is the 'natural state' of non-duality and full Self-Realization, where, unlike the Nirvikalpa/Asamprajnata conditions, there is no immobility, but one lives and moves in the world simultaneously with uninterrupted awakened awareness. I do not think that you have any idea how rare and exalted a condition this is. It constellates siddhis and synchronicities around the being. There is a profound absence of egoic mind, desires that pertain to to the average human being, and it seems unlikely that one would be on a computer on a forum discussing these things.
"Radical sorcerer?" Sorcery only has a positive spin in the fictional CasteΓ±eda books, or from the late Pablo Amaringo the Ayahuascero, whom I once met. In European traditions it almost always has a pejorative, low magick, thaumaturgical meaning (versus a high magick, theurgical meaning). And contrary to the claims of Aleister Crowley, one does not simultaneously embody low desires and high samadhis in the same personage. That's rather 'centauric!'
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as Guru Neem Karolie Baba was.
No offense but nobody knows if he was either.
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: as Guru Neem Karolie Baba was.
No offense but nobody knows if he was either. 
Which is why I qualified it with "allegedly." If the reports were accurate, something profoundly cosmic constellated about the man. I gave my late father the book Miracle of Love, stories about Neem Karolie, and his response was that they were "Bubba Meises," Yiddish for 'grandmother tales.' I don't think that synchronicity, miracle, bilocation, mental telepathy and other Psi functions were part of his world view.
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What if a lot of these similar stories & myth are derived from one source of confusion upon one civilization at one time.
& It has evolved into this confusion.
Research serpent worship, the very first kind of worship on this planet & towards anthropromorfic scaly reptilian like god/beings no less.
What is mankind?
How were we formed & made?
In who or what's image were we formed?
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Icelander said: as Guru Neem Karolie Baba was.
No offense but nobody knows if he was either. 
Which is why I qualified it with "allegedly." If the reports were accurate, something profoundly cosmic constellated about the man. I gave my late father the book Miracle of Love, stories about Neem Karolie, and his response was that they were "Bubba Meises," Yiddish for 'grandmother tales.' I don't think that synchronicity, miracle, bilocation, mental telepathy and other Psi functions were part of his world view. 
Sorry I missed that part. My bad.
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
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teknix said: Hypothetically, if Satan is the master of deception and his goal is to get your soul, then what better way to re-route souls from God than to pretend to be his son and convince everyone to worship him instead of God?
Likewsie, why would he be seen as a "re-route" rather than a manifestation of a proxy which serves as a relatable stepping stone for mankind to revelation?
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teknix said: Just look at all the death and attrocities caused by their beliefs throughout the ages, and all the souls that have been re-routed from God to Jesus.
Perhaps those events are a result of egos retaliating by default in response to the notion that the self is not the creator of the self.
Given that "death" (in the sense of entirely ceasing to exist) isn't a valid concept within the religion itself, those events wouldn't been regarded as anything negatively significant anyways beyond that of being a learning tool within a model that encompasses eternal life.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Asamprajnata Samadhi is essentially Patanjali's term for Nirvikalpa Samadhi.
Samprajnata Samadhi conscious samadhi. The mind remains concentrated (ekagra) on the object of meditation, therefore the consciousness of the object of meditation persists. Mental modifications arise only in respect of this object of meditation. This state is of four kinds: Savitarka: the Chitta is concentrated upon a gross object of meditation such as a flame of a lamp, the tip of the nose, or the image of a deity. Savichara: the Chitta is concentrated upon a subtle object of meditation, such as the tanmatras Sananda: the Chitta is concentrated upon a still subtler object of meditation, like the senses. Sasmita: the Chitta is concentrated upon the ego-substance with which the self is generally identified. Asamprajnata Samadhi superconscious. The Chitta and the object of meditation are fused together. The consciousness of the object of meditation is transcended. All mental modifications are checked (niruddha), although latent impressions may continue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_Sutras_of_Patanjali
No offense, but it is doubtful in the extreme that you are living in Sahaj Samadhi, as Guru Neem Karolie Baba allegedly was. This is the 'natural state' of non-duality and full Self-Realization, where, unlike the Nirvikalpa/Asamprajnata conditions, there is no immobility, but one lives and moves in the world simultaneously with uninterrupted awakened awareness. I do not think that you have any idea how rare and exalted a condition this is. It constellates siddhis and synchronicities around the being. There is a profound absence of egoic mind, desires that pertain to to the average human being, and it seems unlikely that one would be on a computer on a forum discussing these things.
"Radical sorcerer?" Sorcery only has a positive spin in the fictional CasteΓ±eda books, or from the late Pablo Amaringo the Ayahuascero, whom I once met. In European traditions it almost always has a pejorative, low magick, thaumaturgical meaning (versus a high magick, theurgical meaning). And contrary to the claims of Aleister Crowley, one does not simultaneously embody low desires and high samadhis in the same personage. That's rather 'centauric!'
Lol, that would be extremely egotistical for me to think that. I don't think that I even know what Sahaj Samadhi is, and you didn't define it above.
I think that according to the above definitions the current state of progression would be somewhere in around Sananda but the sense is of feeling internally.
Me being a radical sorcerer is a joke and an analogy, sorcerers are endowed with natural ability, it's in the roots of their being to progress rapidly where willpower is concerned. I say that because most of the spiritual progress was made through exploration, rather than using beliefs or any specific system, I'm interested in the systems for their definitions and descriptions of personal experience.( I don't really think of myself as any label other than awareness)
I got to talk to the Krishnas more today after class, and I guess only their master or guru experiences ananda, so I find that kinda disappointing and to me it says little for their practice.
You're right, I don't have any idea how rare of a condition it is, how could I?
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Likewsie, why would he be seen as a "re-route" rather than a manifestation of a proxy which serves as a relatable stepping stone for mankind to revelation?
Because as a Christian you have to always consider Satan and his agenda. Are you saying it's not even possible that they could have been duped? It is said that we are technologically 1000 years behind were we would be, had the Dark Ages never happened in the name of a Deified Prophet made into a God. How can you take what they say seriously after that? So if we consider the greatest evil's are caused by Satan and the Dark Ages are one of the greatest evil's then what are we left with?
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Perhaps those events are a result of egos retaliating by default in response to the notion that the self is not the creator of the self.
Given that "death" (in the sense of entirely ceasing to exist) isn't a valid concept within the religion itself, those events wouldn't been regarded as anything negatively significant anyways beyond that of being a learning tool within a model that encompasses eternal life.
So then how much can we trust what they wrote? They were controlling the present for a very long time, which meant they was also controlling the past and future.
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Your theory was logical, but Christians declare by default that they believe Jesus is the son of God which represents a fundamental principle of the belief.
Any alternative belief would surely negate a person being Christian?
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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
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I'm interested in the systems for their definitions and descriptions of personal experience.( I don't really think of myself as any label other than awareness)
Well, we're on the same page, paragraph and sentence with this.
Didn't get the humor, sorry, because I've been on this forum since '99, and there have been many seriously made claims by people. Even now, there are delusional individuals, OCD religious zealots, and others who insist that their personal take on Reality is the one and only version. Fanaticism is clearly a pathological condition, since Ultimate Reality is and will always remain, Mystery. It is a sick egoic mind that claims to be in possession of the Truth, a God-complex. By-and-large (as my high school sociology teacher used to say), most people here are fairly open-minded, and take everything with a grain-of-salt.
After Swami Prahupada died, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISCON) underwent radically weird changes, even to the point of Krishnas getting busted hoarding assault weapons! Even more recently, you read stuff like this, which any current Krishna will minimize: http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/hare-krishna-priest-gets-3year-term-in-visa-fraud-case-hm8fvjk-187964501.html These seem fanciful, but who knows? I never heard of a stowaway on a space shuttle: http://nehke.blogspot.com "Curioser, and curioser..."
-------------------- Ξ³Ξ½αΏΆΞΈΞΉ ΟΞ±α½ΟΟΞ½ - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Icelander
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OCD religious zelots and Fivepointer
Any resemblance my be incidental.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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