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What if Jesus was really Satan?
    #18787855 - 09/02/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hypothetically, if Satan is the master of deception and his goal is to get your soul, then what better way to re-route souls from God than to pretend to be his son and convince everyone to worship him instead of God?

Isn't the first commandment that "Thou shalt not have any other god before me." ?

Then comes along Jesus, who is put before god to pray too and send your soul too, on behalf of God . . .

Seems like the Christians could have been duped by Satan.

Just look at all the death and attrocities caused by their beliefs throughout the ages, and all the souls that have been re-routed from God to Jesus.

Seems like it could have been the ultimate deception.

What do you think.

(Hypothetically of course)


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
    #18787873 - 09/02/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I dig your style.


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: azur]
    #18787875 - 09/02/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

All concepts are Satan, God included. :rocketcrotch:


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: WScott]
    #18787930 - 09/02/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Im fairly certain that in some forms of Gnosticism Jehova is actually an evil deity that created this material plane of existence in order to trap our souls in matter.
Its why most of the original sects of gnosticism died out because they thought it was a mortal sin to procreate and trap another soul in matter.


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #18787942 - 09/02/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Woah!, do you have links to that?

(kinda makes me think of pineal gland calcification)

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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
    #18788047 - 09/02/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Keep your theories to yourself dude, you're crampin my style


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: Icelander]
    #18788173 - 09/02/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I do.

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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
    #18788292 - 09/02/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The Nag Hammadi library is a group of gnostic texts found buried in a sealed container in Egypt in 1945.  If you want to know about the gnostic creation story the best one to check out is The Apcryphon of John.

Secret Book Of John


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: PocketLady]
    #18788328 - 09/02/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That ^ is purdy freaky..


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #18788706 - 09/02/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
Its why most of the original sects of gnosticism died out because they thought it was a mortal sin to procreate and trap another soul in matter.




There's one for Icelander and me. I might answer that the next time I'm asked about my having kids.


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: viktor]
    #18788815 - 09/02/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I certainly admire their compassion.  It's a rare thing in humans. :satansmoking:


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: PocketLady]
    #18789742 - 09/02/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The Nag Hammadi library is a group of gnostic texts found buried in a sealed container in Egypt in 1945.  If you want to know about the gnostic creation story the best one to check out is The Apcryphon of John.

Secret Book Of John




Nice!

This part kinda goes with the ownership inferring independence from nature thread, the Tao, and  buddhist teaching of enlightenment/nirvana (imo)

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Since everything exists within it
                        It does not exist within anything.
            Since it is not dependent on anything
                        It is eternal.

It is absolutely complete and so needs nothing.
It is utterly perfect
Light.

The One is without boundaries
            Nothing exists outside of it to border it
The One cannot be investigated
            Nothing exists apart from it to investigate it
The One cannot be measured
            Nothing exists external to it to measure it





It's along the same wavelength of thought I was using to try to explain how "Ownership infers an independence from nature" in philosophical and logical terms. But it doesn't mean it came from god to me does it, or I would be a prophet.

If I told you I spoke to god and he gave it to me, I would be put in a mental ward, even in our society that is based on Christianity which is based on such things!

It's hypocrisy!


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
    #18789835 - 09/02/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Hypothetically, if Satan is the master of deception and his goal is to get your soul, then what better way to re-route souls from God than to pretend to be his son and convince everyone to worship him instead of God?

Isn't the first commandment that "Thou shalt not have any other god before me." ?

Then comes along Jesus, who is put before god to pray too and send your soul too, on behalf of God . . .

Seems like the Christians could have been duped by Satan.

Just look at all the death and attrocities caused by their beliefs throughout the ages, and all the souls that have been re-routed from God to Jesus.

Seems like it could have been the ultimate deception.

What do you think.

(Hypothetically of course)




I think Jesus was probably a nice wise guy and the founders of Catholic canon are the devil. Frealz.


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
    #18789904 - 09/02/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The one cannot be owned
    Nothing exist separate to own it.


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
    #18790648 - 09/02/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It seems to me that people have been duped by theology. Jesus knew nothing about Christian theology. He prayed that his fate be averted, and he prayed to what the NT calls "the Father," (which is Abba in Hebrew, but Abwoon in Aramaic means "Comic Mother-Father," or "Cosmic Birther"). He didn't pray TO Christ, his mind was IN Christ to such an extent that he was considered to be THE Christ. Christ means 'anointed,' as with chrism, oil, whence the term. To anoint kings in Israel was a symbolic act, imputing the 'divine right of kingship,' which lends authority. Iesous however, denied any worldly kingship, but claimed to be a king of a spiritual kingdom, according to the story lines.

Praying in Iesous' name belongs to Pauline theology. For Paul, there was not yet a God mysticism. Only Iesous was Christ, which is to say, the 'Word' or 'Logos' predominated over the temporal mind of Iesous. Paul has a partially-realized eschatology, which means that the whole world will be changed at some future point in time according to him. That is why he told people not to marry, to live provisionally, because the end of the world was coming soon. He misunderstood the message entirely. Thomas understood a fully-realized eschatology, in which the kingdom of Heaven was present, but most people didn't realize it. Realization of Heaven as present, speaks of the Eternal Now, not of time. My point: If Paul, the so-called architect of Christianity misunderstood the essential message of Iesous, and wrongly believed the end of time was near, in a historical sense, then how are any blind-faith Christians going to know any better? The end of the world in a spiritual sense is about becoming aware of the Eternal Present, the kingdom of Heaven, while yet alive. It is about awareness of Eternity in the midst of worldliness.

Worldliness is all about space and time, about conquest and power, us and them. This divisiveness which religion has become is the Satan, the Adversary of God. Crusades, persecutions, pogroms, inquisitions, bigotry, hatred, war, genocide is pure evil. These were perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church, although Protestants had their share of witch and heretic burnings, persecution of Jews and Pagans and heretics. Eastern Orthodoxy went to war with Roman Catholicism over a theological interpretation called the Filioque*. Fucking absurd! Christ or Christ Consciousness has nothing to do with the evil that mankind has perpetrated IMO. It's about peace and love.

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ORIGIN Latin, literally β€˜and from the Son.’


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18790717 - 09/02/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Then do you think that Jesus was anything more than a man? Maybe at a higher caliber of intelligence than his peers at the time, but a man none-the-less?

Or what do you mean by "Christ or Christ Consciousness" ?

I don't think we have any real evidence that Jesus really ever existed, do we?

Because you said that: "Christ means 'anointed,' as with chrism, oil, whence the term. To anoint kings in Israel was a symbolic act, imputing the 'divine right of kingship,' which lends authority. Iesous however, denied any worldly kingship, but claimed to be a king of a spiritual kingdom, according to the story lines. "

But you also said that Jesus was in it, so how can he be in chrism, oil? And how is that relevant to anything? It seems like you are saying it means one thing and then using it in a completely different context, but I am probably missing something.

:confused:

(BTW, thanks for posting, I generally find your posts quite informative.)


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
    #18790805 - 09/02/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What if jesus was but another deity, a true deity trying to spread its message and the god it refers to is itself and was just mistaken and tagged along with christianity? :shrug:

Or maybr he was just a dirty hippie and accidentally managed to become the most famous person in "history", aside from the beatles.


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
    #18791471 - 09/02/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Then do you think that Jesus was anything more than a man? Maybe at a higher caliber of intelligence than his peers at the time, but a man none-the-less?

Or what do you mean by "Christ or Christ Consciousness" ?

I don't think we have any real evidence that Jesus really ever existed, do we?

Because you said that: "Christ means 'anointed,' as with chrism, oil, whence the term. To anoint kings in Israel was a symbolic act, imputing the 'divine right of kingship,' which lends authority. Iesous however, denied any worldly kingship, but claimed to be a king of a spiritual kingdom, according to the story lines. "

But you also said that Jesus was in it, so how can he be in chrism, oil? And how is that relevant to anything? It seems like you are saying it means one thing and then using it in a completely different context, but I am probably missing something.

:confused:

(BTW, thanks for posting, I generally find your posts quite informative.)




Christ means anointed by chrism. The act of anointing symbolized a sort of crowning, as a king, pouring oil on one's head. Christ consciousness is the biblical "mind of Christ," which believers hope to receive by grace. It is the consciousness or "mind" which is the Logos itself. In the history of thought, the Logos is the first emanation from the Unmanifested Godhead. In ancient Egypt, Ra or the later hybridized Amun-Ra might be the Unmanifest Godhead, and Thoth was the 'tongue' or 'word' of God, the Logos in Greek. Iesous the Christ was 'a man anointed by God' according to the 3 synoptic (same-view) gospels: Mark, Matthew, and Luke. Much later (90-120 CE) John's gospel wrote about "the Word" in the first few lines called the Prologue (Pro-Logos). In John's gospel, Iesous was not 'a man anointed by God,' but rather, 'God clothed in flesh.' This latter idea over-shadowed the earlier notion of a man anointed by God, and reeked of Greek mythology wherein it was common for God (Greek: Zeus, Latin: Deus) to impregnate a mortal woman and create a demigod- a god-man like Heracles, Dionysius, and others. This is a major reason why Jews did not accept this doctrine. The Jews had their own mythology, and in it, God never takes form, human or otherwise. Theophanies are angelic beings (Seraphim, Nephilim, Cherubim, etc.) - pillars of flame, burning bushes, etc. are not God.

Iesous was a man if he existed historically at all. The various birth, life, death, and resurrection motifs are lifted practically verbatim from the Egyptian Coffin and Pyramid texts. The person was written to be the focus of numerous prophesies in the Tenach (OT). Myth is very important in the psycho-history of humankind. We need myth, and they are still being produced by culture and the media. Myth derives from collective levels of the human unconscious, the Collective Unconscious, or Archetypal Mind. Iesous is a major embodiment of the central symbol of the Collective Unconscious - the higher Self. He represents generic man, and his dual nature speaks for every human being. We are all a composite of temporality and Eternity, although Iesous is depicted as being a unique specie of being, which would NOT be relevant to any of us. Iesous is the archetype, the paradigm for all of us. Most of us do not live up to the Truth of this and act in godly ways, but prefer to act like mere mammals, some more undeveloped and primitive than others. Some humanoids behave in truly reptilian ways, cold-hearted, blood-thirsty, and little more than instinctive creatures. Iesous the Christ symbolizes the epitome of fully human development IMO.


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18791561 - 09/02/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Christians don't really know, they put their faith and moral judgment based on what God tells them, how do they know it's God? They don't, it's based on faith, or a guess. How do they know if their God is moral?  They don't, at the end of the day, they can't question the moral messages, because it's god.


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Re: What if Jesus was really Satan? [Re: teknix]
    #18791600 - 09/02/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What if OP was a plastic bag

(Hypothetically of course)


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