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View with an open mind.
    #18787738 - 09/01/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18787756 - 09/01/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hannah, do you know that jesus was teaching internal alchemy?

The golden rule is the basis of metta. ( to love everyone )

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Mettฤ (Pali: เคฎเฅ‡เคคเฅเคคเคพ in Devanagari) or maitrฤซ (Sanskrit: เคฎเฅˆเคคเฅเคฐเฅ€) is loving-kindness,[1][2] friendliness,[3][4][5] benevolence,[2][4] amity,[3] friendship,[4] good will,[4] kindness,[3][6] close mental union (on same mental wavelength),[4] and active interest in others.[3] It is one of the ten pฤramฤซs of the Theravฤda school of Buddhism, and the first of the four sublime states (Brahmavihฤras). This is love without clinging (upฤdฤna).





Love without clinging means to love, not because someone is your boyfirend or mother, and it doesn't refer to sex, it means the feeling of love and treating people how they should be, here is how it is described:

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Contemporary instruction for the cultivation of loving-kindness โ€“ such as is found in the works of Sharon Salzberg,[11] the Triratna Buddhist Community's Kamalashila,[5] and Matthieu Ricard[12] โ€“ is often based in part on a method found in Buddhaghosa's 5th-century CE Pฤli exegetical text, the Path to Purification (Pali:Visuddhimagga), Chapter IX.[13][14] This traditional approach is best known for identifying successive stages of meditation during which one progressively cultivates loving-kindness towards:

oneself[15]
a good friend[16]
a "neutral" person
a difficult person[17]
all four of the above equally[18][19]
and then gradually the entire universe[20]







The basis of Christianity is much different than Taoism or Buddhism really, they share many similarities of what is is to be good, but differ in some semantical beliefs.


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: teknix]
    #18787770 - 09/01/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I do believe that the Bible teaches to love everyone. I personally believe Jesus is the definition of love. And I also see the similarities of religions, yet though there may not be many changes in the religion they can be drastic.

I'm just learning more and more every day.

Trying to gain understand.

But people are saying, and I was beginning to believe without realizing it, that there are multiple ways to get to God. But really Jesus Christ is the only way is what the Bible teaches.

Therefor yoga and getting in touch with spirits and your inner power is not a good thing.


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: HannahMichelle] * 1
    #18787783 - 09/02/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I believe he was showing what love really is too, but I don't believe what everyone else try's to say about him or his motives. I mean everyone else is basically a stupid human, and they are the ones that wrote most of what you read in the bible.

(They forced people to believe the earth was flat or they were heretics and banned from society) That is not love.

Have you heard of the Dark Ages that were waged in the name of god? Do you think that was really what god wanted or Jesus would have wanted? Is that love?

It was for power imo.

People used it for their own purpose, I think we should all be accepting of each other and work towards being one, rather than being divided like that lady preaching would want us to be. She feels her beliefs are superior, love doesn't play superiority, if you are to love everyone equally.

Do you also realize that the bible was written 300 years after Jesus died?

If we are to all get along we have to find a common ground, and to find that common ground we have to focus on similarities, not differences. Differences breed divisions where as the similarities are what bring us together.


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18787785 - 09/02/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

video sounds like religious witchcraft to me. I grew up in this shit. what happened to grace, man? I thought the enemy had already been defeated because of the finished works of the cross.
all spritual warfare--binding, claiming, breaking curses, etc.--is fear driven bullshit.
just rest. it is finished. surrender and resssssst.


Edited by mt cleverest (09/02/13 12:17 AM)


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: teknix]
    #18788065 - 09/02/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe he was showing what love really is too, but I don't believe what everyone else try's to say about him or his motives. I mean everyone else is basically a stupid human, and they are the ones that wrote most of what you read in the bible.

(They forced people to believe the earth was flat or they were heretics and banned from society) That is not love.

Have you heard of the Dark Ages that were waged in the name of god? Do you think that was really what god wanted or Jesus would have wanted? Is that love?

It was for power imo.

People used it for their own purpose, I think we should all be accepting of each other and work towards being one, rather than being divided like that lady preaching would want us to be. She feels her beliefs are superior, love doesn't play superiority, if you are to love everyone equally.

Do you also realize that the bible was written 300 years after Jesus died?

If we are to all get along we have to find a common ground, and to find that common ground we have to focus on similarities, not differences. Differences breed divisions where as the similarities are what bring us together.





Now see, here's another instance of me agreeing with you. :wink:


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: Icelander]
    #18788183 - 09/02/13 03:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I bet we agree quite often, we jsut choose not to voice it, and choose to voice our disagreements more often, or maybe that's just me :P


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18788248 - 09/02/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But people are saying, and I was beginning to believe without realizing it, that there are multiple ways to get to God. But really Jesus Christ is the only way is what the Bible teaches.

Therefor yoga and getting in touch with spirits and your inner power is not a good thing.




IMHO the bible is correct. Jesus Christ IS the only way to get to God. But not by worshipping anyone.  By becoming what Christ represents. 

Other belief systems have their own versions of Christ, but it is all the same concept and none are better than the other.  There are multiple ways to get to God, but they are also all the same.

There is lots of good stuff in the bible, but as others have said it was put together long after Christ's time, and the people who put the bible together had a bit of an agenda.  Did you know the catholic church is probably the richest organisation on the planet? 





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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

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The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir


Edited by PocketLady (09/02/13 04:23 AM)


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: teknix]
    #18788344 - 09/02/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I bet we agree quite often, we jsut choose not to voice it, and choose to voice our disagreements more often, or maybe that's just me :P





That could well be.


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: PocketLady]
    #18788991 - 09/02/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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HannahMichelle said:
But people are saying, and I was beginning to believe without realizing it, that there are multiple ways to get to God. But really Jesus Christ is the only way is what the Bible teaches.

Therefor yoga and getting in touch with spirits and your inner power is not a good thing.




IMHO the bible is correct. Jesus Christ IS the only way to get to God. But not by worshipping anyone.  By becoming what Christ represents. 

Other belief systems have their own versions of Christ, but it is all the same concept and none are better than the other.  There are multiple ways to get to God, but they are also all the same.

There is lots of good stuff in the bible, but as others have said it was put together long after Christ's time, and the people who put the bible together had a bit of an agenda.  Did you know the catholic church is probably the richest organisation on the planet? 







You say you agree the Bible is correct, and you say that there is more than one way to get to God. But the Bible says, "No one comes to the Father except through me." Meaning Jesus Christ. But what do you mean there are multiple ways to come to Christ but they're all the same?
I highly disagree. I believe the Bible was inspired by God and He used human being to write it. So all though humans make mistakes frequently, these people did not when writing but ONLY BECAUSE they were filled with the Holy Spirit. I dont believe a word was written in the Bible that God does not deem correct and true.

Now Christianity.. Catholics... They're are many twisted people who are "christians". Catholics. Many of them MAY have good intentions, but MANY of them are just seeking self fulfillment. BUT AL AND ALL they're are Christians out there who are selfless and really do just want to do Gods will and better his kingdom. 

Anyways, with all my ranting there is one thing to be said... I believe there is ONE truth. And it IS better than all the other teachings because TRUTH is something to be valued always and forever. Some people are right, many are wrong. It's all about figuring out truth.


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: HannahMichelle] * 1
    #18789309 - 09/02/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You say you agree the Bible is correct, and you say that there is more than one way to get to God. But the Bible says, "No one comes to the Father except through me." Meaning Jesus Christ. But what do you mean there are multiple ways to come to Christ but they're all the same?





What does Jesus represent?  Jesus represents love, compassion, forgiveness, self-lessness.  The qualities he represent can be found in many religions.  IMHO you do not get to God by worshipping Jesus or God, you get to God by becoming Jesus and the qualities he represents.  Think about it.  Do you think a truly loving and benevolent God would want our worship?  Only God who likes power and is therefore egotistical would ever demand our worship.  If I was a more highly-evolved being than a human I would think it silly and feel uncomfortable at being worshipped by humans.  I would want them to learn and grown, and be good people, but not worship me.  How would you feel? Would you want that power?

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I highly disagree. I believe the Bible was inspired by God and He used human being to write it. So all though humans make mistakes frequently, these people did not when writing but ONLY BECAUSE they were filled with the Holy Spirit. I dont believe a word was written in the Bible that God does not deem correct and true.





The Bible is inspired by God, and there is a lot of wisdom in there but God did not decide what went into the Bible.  A few hundred years after Jesus died some men sat around a table and decided what was going in it, and some pretty interesting stuff got left out, because it didn't fit the impression of "Christianity" the Catholic Church wanted.  Sadly a lot of people on this planet have been and are completely corrupted by power and wealth, and the Catholic Church has ruled the western world for the past 2000 years. 

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Anyways, with all my ranting there is one thing to be said... I believe there is ONE truth. And it IS better than all the other teachings because TRUTH is something to be valued always and forever. Some people are right, many are wrong. It's all about figuring out truth.




Discussion is good, and keep on searching for your truth.  Personally I'm not sure if an absolute truth is even possible in this life.  But I'm pretty sure it's not found by believing anything anyone tells you, not a holy book, and not even some strangers on an internet forum...  You have to figure out your truth for yourself :smile:


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Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18789528 - 09/02/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You say you agree the Bible is correct, and you say that there is more than one way to get to God. But the Bible says, "No one comes to the Father except through me." Meaning Jesus Christ. But what do you mean there are multiple ways to come to Christ but they're all the same?
I highly disagree. I believe the Bible was inspired by God and He used human being to write it. So all though humans make mistakes frequently, these people did not when writing but ONLY BECAUSE they were filled with the Holy Spirit. I dont believe a word was written in the Bible that God does not deem correct and true.

Now Christianity.. Catholics... They're are many twisted people who are "christians". Catholics. Many of them MAY have good intentions, but MANY of them are just seeking self fulfillment. BUT AL AND ALL they're are Christians out there who are selfless and really do just want to do Gods will and better his kingdom. 

Anyways, with all my ranting there is one thing to be said... I believe there is ONE truth. And it IS better than all the other teachings because TRUTH is something to be valued always and forever. Some people are right, many are wrong. It's all about figuring out truth.




Hannah, what is the first commandment? Why do you think you have to go through anyone to get to god? Do you believe the contradiction to the commandment or do you believe the commandment?


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: PocketLady]
    #18789542 - 09/02/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Discussion is good, and keep on searching for your truth.  Personally I'm not sure if an absolute truth is even possible in this life.






Here's one:

There is existence.

The only absolute truths are the self-evident ones that you can see/feel for yourself, here is another one:

There is love.


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: teknix]
    #18789607 - 09/02/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you have to go through jesus to get to god then you would be putting jesus before god, or between you and god.


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: teknix]
    #18789981 - 09/02/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you have to go through jesus to get to god then you would be putting jesus before god, or between you and god.



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If you have to go through jesus to get to god then you would be putting jesus before god, or between you and god.





Not if Jesus IS God like i believe.


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18790016 - 09/02/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How could jesus be god if he was a human and died? If he was god he would be here today, gods don't die.

Anyways, your free to have your own beliefs, even if they don't make sense to me.

(P.S. I used to believe the same stuff you do, until I started really thinking about it and questioning it rather than just accepting it as fact, too many contradictions imo. When I realized I was just believing it because that's what I was told to believe, my outlook changed.)


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: teknix]
    #18790051 - 09/02/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In fact, my grandfather is a preacher and my great grandfather was a bishop (rip).

If you don't believe me I'll pm you proof:


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: teknix]
    #18790174 - 09/02/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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How could jesus be god if he was a human and died? If he was god he would be here today, gods don't die.

Anyways, your free to have your own beliefs, even if they don't make sense to me.

(P.S. I used to believe the same stuff you do, until I started really thinking about it and questioning it rather than just accepting it as fact, too many contradictions imo. When I realized I was just believing it because that's what I was told to believe, my outlook changed.)





Sorry, my computer messed up and I didn't see all of your post.

I believe that many Christians are holding on so tightly to there faith they are blind in a way. They NEVER question what they're taught(some of it may be wrong some of it may be right depeding on where they are getting they're information from). They're like little children who trust everything they hear from they're parents.

But I'd also just like to share that I grew up going to a Christian school. Force fed the Bible. The past few months since I started smoking weed occasionally and having deep discussions about.. everything.. I began truly and deeply began questioning my faith in the Bible. Almost turned my back on it completely. I've strongly questions many many aspects of it. So not all Christians are naive and believe everything they are told.

I believe if the Bible is true and inspired by God so it is not flawed by man made mistake. I can't remember off that top of my head details but The Bible is made up of books that were written over an extended eriod of time by many different people.  As many Christians believe hence their "blind faith", then God would encourage us to challenge and seek truth in both His word and in other supposedly "holy books" as well as other beliefs. If it is true everything will point to it an i'll find my way back to it. That is the only way I can be sure it is truth.

As of now I've had some sort of spiritual experience thing that i guess you could say was eye opening and left me unsettled. I don't know if you red my other post but I had an ego death I believe.. But I think its part of the knowledge that leads to destruction, although im not 100% sure of course.. Anyways, here are some links that have recently help form some of my more recent opinions and beliefs.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18774605 - Some things that make perfect sense in my mind. ~This all makes sense to me.

http://spiritualnotreligious.blogspot.com/2011/02/christianitys-teachings-of-higher.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PLJv7sRaXZYJVYzVTRK54G3nafywcKy4U_&v=2GGHAK9ksL8 -  Must watch! I believe this is the link I originally posted.

http://www.soundwitness.org/evangel/emerg_4_mystical.htm - Something to consider!


All and all though, the recent opinions formed have now lead me back to the bible and I have a better understanding and appreciation for it. I am not more dependent on the word of God, the Bible and have a fire for Jesus Christ. Meaning I find power in just reading the scripture. I believe it's the only true thing I can be sure of. Not the church or priests. But I believe the Bible I read is hole, pure, and reliable.

But don't be mistaken, I am not having Blind faith. I am using the knowledge I have gained over my life and the experiences I have encountered to form this opinion, but I'll never stop hearing others believes and considering, " what if they are correct."


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18790250 - 09/02/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

    The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever.  It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.  Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.  Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.  Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest.  I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'  (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm


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Re: View with an open mind. [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18790308 - 09/02/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's great that you are so open-minded. I have to admit most Christians I have met over years have not been open-minded at all. 

It's true the Bible was written my many different people, but ultimately the Catholic Church decided what books would go into the Bible and what didn't make the cut.  The Book of Enoch was a very interesting one that was left out.

Ego death is not really something that happens when you smoke weed.  To lose your ego completely is to lose all sense of self.  But I think I understand what you're getting at.  Imho the teachings of Christ are to show you how to be free of ego, or as free as it's possible for a human to become.
 
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But don't be mistaken, I am not having Blind faith. I am using the knowledge I have gained over my life and the experiences I have encountered to form this opinion, but I'll never stop hearing others believes and considering, " what if they are correct."




That is the kind of attitude that really allows you freedom.  Having beliefs, or at the very least clinging to beliefs, it can totally block out a massive part of the picture. People so often will only hear what they believe.  Keep an open mind and enjoy yourself :smile:


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Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
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