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I want to start meditation...
#18787686 - 09/01/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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But where do I start?? I don't know much about it, but I would like to learn. Please meditating community, teach me your ways!
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I think everyone has their own preference or what works for them, but I began by meditating at the base of my spine or the coccyx, until I could feel that point, then I moved up a bit higher until I could feel that point and I kept going until I could be aware of any point on my spine on command and then moved focus toward my brain.
One good thing to practice is to turn off the internal dialogue inside your head, it is called mindfullness. Instead of following the thoughts to the next thought, you let the thought sink into oblivion and try to think about nothing. Then inevitably another thought arises, and that thought you dismiss into oblivion so on and so forth.
I think it is kinda strange how it is more difficult to think of nothing than it is to think, because thinking seems to be an action that requires energy, but it is seemingly so hard not to think, yet not impossible. It just takes practice.
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I've tried kundalini meditation but it didn't really have good results for me. I'm currently doing mindfulness meditation 10mins twice a day and it has been pretty good. I haven't been doing it for that long but I've noticed I am better able to "steer" my mind in that I can control it a bit better, which is what's practiced during the meditation.
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I've heard it's a steep learning curve and results aren't automatically significant but if you keep at it for a long time you won't regret it.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: lolwut]
#18787723 - 09/01/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey lolwut, I bet if you get good at the mindfullness, the other part might be easier, because your not wasting all your focus on your thoughts.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: teknix]
#18787725 - 09/01/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do you mean other part?
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: lolwut]
#18787726 - 09/01/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kundalini, or internal alchemy. (Exploring the energy body)
You have to move awareness from the brain to do it, and if awareness is stuck in your head and thoughts it makes it kinda hard. But some are naturally good at directing focus and can skip mindfullness. (at first)
But to get to the functional channels, I think you have to do some sort of mindfullness training.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: teknix]
#18787736 - 09/01/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah yea. Well I've put that on hold, maybe for a few years at least. Recovering from psychosis, the last thing I needed was more Kundalini energy flowing through me...it was on overdrive at the height of the break to the point where I also got effects that made me think it was Kundalini syndrome as well - I was kinda fried for a while there. But yeah I think it would be transferable and hopefully in the future I'll be able to have some interesting Kundalini experiences
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: lolwut]
#18787743 - 09/01/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You could try internal alchemy next time, or MCO, it is basically the same thing just described a bit differently. (imo)
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: teknix]
#18787745 - 09/01/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Will make a note to check that out, cheers
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just let go of all stories and rest in awareness.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: mt cleverest]
#18787766 - 09/01/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you everyone. I hope to hear more in a bit!
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I meditate half an hour a day. I've been mindfulness meditation regularly for nearly 2 years (although I had a 5 month gap in there!) and can say that is has had a profoundly positive impact on my daily life and has granted me so much control over my mind.
Mindfulness - Basically the idea is to become aware of your thoughts and then eventually stop them. I do this by focusing on my breath. I'm not "thinking" about my breath, I am just feeling it and experiencing it as I breathe in and out. Everytime I realise I have become distracted by a thought (and BOY will you get distracted, your mind tries to trick you, A LOT!) I return my focus to the breath without judging the thought.
Meditation takes a lot of practice and it can take a while to see big benefits, but stick with it. You will probably not be able to go more than a few seconds before you think something to begin with but as you practice more it will become easier.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: PocketLady]
#18788315 - 09/02/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So many different kinds. In Aikido, we do what we call Ki breathing, which is a style of meditation. Here's a little info. I usually just focus on my breath and try to be in the present and keep my thoughts from going astray. I don't meditate enough to notice much of a difference from day to day but it's a great way to keep relaxed and practice living in the present.
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I like reciting mantras. Just pick one you like. My favourite is the Gayatri mantra.
This is my routine, it starts with voice excercises:
- Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Make a long lasting "ah" sound three times. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Make a long lasting "u" sound three times. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Make a long lasting "mmm" sound three times. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Make a long lasting "ohm" sound three times. - Focus on the tip of your tongue. - Chant the chosen mantra 27 times whilst retaining focus on the tip of the tongue. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Focus on your throat. - Chant the chosen mantra 27 times whilst retaining focus on the throat. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Focus on your heart. - Chant the chosen mantra 27 times whilst retaining focus on the heart. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Focus on your belly button. - Chant the chosen mantra 27 times whilst retaining focus on the belly button. - Focus on your breathing for as long as you like to stay still...
It clears my thoughts much more effectively than mindfullness meditations. But this is highly personal.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: GoldenEye]
#18788982 - 09/02/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Close eyes, think of nothing, expect nothing
that's what I do, never learned meditation though
doing it in nature is even better (stress free environment)
sometimes I meditate with crystals, helps me focus on 1 point and relaxation
you can meditate when you walk too, just observe works pretty good when walking/sitting in nature (no need to even close eyes), I walk in nature everyday (helps relaxation)
lucid dreaming is kinda meditation for me too, usually feel great after it and usually takes 1-2 hours relaxation to get into one, or luck
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: lessismore]
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I recently started meditating daily myself and I found Tibetan Buddhism to work quite well as a guide to help me get started. There's all sorts of focused breathing techniques and energy releases to use. What seems to be key is whatever mediatation you do decide works for you, stick with it and make it a daily habit.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: ElectricVibe] 1
#18789105 - 09/02/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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O, and one of the best meditations is walking around the city with an open and friendly expression, meeting the eyes of strangers.
Make eye contact and if you break it, don't break it by looking down but by looking sideways (break it horizontaly not verticaly - breaking it verticaly is submissive and will make you feel miserable).
(EDIT: Don't make eye contact from more than 5 steps away, otherwise it is plain freaky because you will be staring people down)
It is great to see the city's anonimity crumble and make way for a sea of souls that have their own emotions, paths and challenges.
You'll find that people will greet you and smile at you, somtimes even start to talk with you.
It's awesome practice.
And another thing, if you make eye contact with someone attractive, take two steps after they pass and look back over your shoulder. If they do so as well, they like you and you should walk over straight away to introduce yourself and ask for a number. Works like a charm.
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The most important part is just to start doing it. Once you start, you can adjust your technique. It doesn't have to be perfect in the beginning.
One poster here has described it as "just sitting." I really like that definition because it is simple, yet illustrates exactly what I try to do when I meditate. I don't think. I don't look. I don't do anything with my body (besides adjusting posture so that I may sit comfortably). I just sit. Sometimes I keep my eyes closed (if I'm easily stimulated) or sometimes I allow my eyes to remain slightly open so that light may enter my field of vision (if I become tired).
By just sitting, I become the observer instead of the actor. Your brain will start to form thoughts since it is used to always being occupied. You will start to worry about what you should be doing - keep a pen & paper nearby so that you can write those things down, and then get back to your meditation without anxiety. Watch your thoughts, but do not play with them. This, imo, opens up space for you to experience pure awareness and that is the point of most of my meditations - to be aware of my emotions, stress, and physical tension as it arises and react in such a way that corresponds with my beliefs & intentions.
The walking meditation mentioned in the previous post sounds cool, too. I think meditation could also be described as "just being aware" and that opens up the possibility for meditating in most any circumstance.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: GoldenEye]
#18789606 - 09/02/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: I like reciting mantras. Just pick one you like. My favourite is the Gayatri mantra.
This is my routine, it starts with voice excercises:
- Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Make a long lasting "ah" sound three times. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Make a long lasting "u" sound three times. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Make a long lasting "mmm" sound three times. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Make a long lasting "ohm" sound three times. - Focus on the tip of your tongue. - Chant the chosen mantra 27 times whilst retaining focus on the tip of the tongue. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Focus on your throat. - Chant the chosen mantra 27 times whilst retaining focus on the throat. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Focus on your heart. - Chant the chosen mantra 27 times whilst retaining focus on the heart. - Focus on your breathing for a couple of minutes. - Focus on your belly button. - Chant the chosen mantra 27 times whilst retaining focus on the belly button. - Focus on your breathing for as long as you like to stay still...
It clears my thoughts much more effectively than mindfulness meditations. But this is highly personal.
I will try this later. I like this one. But I will ever one elses a few times just to see which one works better for me.
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Chastity Psilocybe said: But where do I start?? I don't know much about it, but I would like to learn. Please meditating community, teach me your ways!
I OM and I do so typically just after waking before breakfast, or after yoga.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Yogi1]
#18789941 - 09/02/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't have to stop thought in order to meditate. The rise in frequency and calmness comes from the focus of breathe. People spend their whole lives meditating fighting thought, distracting themselves with stories about how thought is bad, fear sinks in thinking i will never meditate or reach stillness calmness higher frequency if there are thoughts. The whole thing is a huge hoax. This process is so destructive causing a battle between yourself causing constant every 4 second chaos. It's rediculous. It's not thought that's the enemy it's the fact that you have all these mental stories engrained from fear thinking you won't reach your goals. You become so scared that you dont even try it. all the pain came from your forceful demand. Allow thoughts and focus on your breathe you'll be fine. Don't buy in to the stories of when people tell you to stop thinking. You have electric charges going through you and there's no way to stop that. Close your eyes wait, Focus on the breathe.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
#18790215 - 09/02/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Connection said: You don't have to stop thought in order to meditate. The rise in frequency and calmness comes from the focus of breathe. People spend their whole lives meditating fighting thought, distracting themselves with stories about how thought is bad, fear sinks in thinking i will never meditate or reach stillness calmness higher frequency if there are thoughts. The whole thing is a huge hoax. This process is so destructive causing a battle between yourself causing constant every 4 second chaos. It's rediculous. It's not thought that's the enemy it's the fact that you have all these mental stories engrained from fear thinking you won't reach your goals. You become so scared that you dont even try it. all the pain came from your forceful demand. Allow thoughts and focus on your breathe you'll be fine. Don't buy in to the stories of when people tell you to stop thinking. You have electric charges going through you and there's no way to stop that. Close your eyes wait, Focus on the breathe.
You just summarized why I like to chant instead of doing mindfulness meditations. You're right, very right.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: GoldenEye]
#18790247 - 09/02/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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And another suggestion is: go to a silent retreat.
If you can find one where they combine all types of meditation practices (I went to one where they alternated zen/mindfulness/yoga/visualisations/chanting/walking/laughter meditations) you will discover a lot.
The 5 days (in my case) of silence shared within a group of participants is extremely powerful.
I always come back replenished, awakened and happy.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
#18790520 - 09/02/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Connection said: You don't have to stop thought in order to meditate. The rise in frequency and calmness comes from the focus of breathe. People spend their whole lives meditating fighting thought, distracting themselves with stories about how thought is bad, fear sinks in thinking i will never meditate or reach stillness calmness higher frequency if there are thoughts. The whole thing is a huge hoax. This process is so destructive causing a battle between yourself causing constant every 4 second chaos. It's rediculous. It's not thought that's the enemy it's the fact that you have all these mental stories engrained from fear thinking you won't reach your goals. You become so scared that you dont even try it. all the pain came from your forceful demand. Allow thoughts and focus on your breathe you'll be fine. Don't buy in to the stories of when people tell you to stop thinking. You have electric charges going through you and there's no way to stop that. Close your eyes wait, Focus on the breathe.
Some do spend their entire lives, but others only spend seconds.
It comes naturally for me to stop all thoughts if I want, so how do you think you know about everyone else when all your really saying is about you?
(closed minded and fixed perspective is why)
I think you are far from being at the stage to be teaching anyone or giving advice.
From my personal experience, mantras haven't been at all useful in spiritual progress, but that doesn't mean I consider them useless when others tell me that they have found them useful, it only means they haven't been useful for me . . .
If you take a dogmatic approach that the only thing that works is what works for you, you begin to developed a fixed perspective unwilling to compromise, which imo, is what screws up spirituality.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: teknix]
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I just sit still and observe.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Grapefruit]
#18791310 - 09/02/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: I just sit still and observe. 
This guys got it.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
#18791339 - 09/02/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your all right.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
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The thing is that there's positive thoughts especially in states of peace and calm. When someone tells me i shouldn't think when I've reached a peaceful meditative state when my thoughts flow like water I have a problem with that. You expect me to disrupt my thoughts. I have a problem with someone telling me i can't think when I make a huge discovery in meditation a big revelation. I have problems with meditative guides constantly reminding me that I should not think at all when I find my bliss. Shut the fuck up please.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
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I want to tell you what I think, but I don't think it will make any difference to you.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: teknix]
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: yeah]
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Why not. When you speak to someone in a higher frequency sometimes they won't understand what your saying online of course. You've reached a state where you live life completely in no thought. But that's a destination. You can't tell 99% of people that use thought to shut it off and not expect chaos it happen. Go tell your friends on Facebook what you were going to tell me and you'll see they'll have no idea what your saying.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
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Why not is because you fixed your perspective (or awareness) in your head with thoughts and are happy with it, so be happy with it.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: yeah]
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Happiness and joy is so supportive in meditation I find. While everyone else will tell you to hate thoughts. The negative imprint is grounded in their consciousness. And until experimentation is done then it will always be there imo. Look at videos that give help on meditation you'll find there are 100,000s of people trying to fit a paradigm that doesn't work for them. Meditation is our god given birth right no one owns it no one.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
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Who really ever said to hate thoughts?
It's only in preparation for what comes next, for what comes next is beyond thoughts.
It's in your body rather than in your brain, and any thoughts of it are after the fact .
A place for awareness to go, away from your brain and eyes where it usually resides.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
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Connection said: I have problems with meditative guides constantly reminding me that I should not think at all when I find my bliss. Shut the fuck up please.
I've never had guides do that. The emphasis was always on observing those thoughts and redirecting the focus to the breathing (or whatever bloody energy point they were pushing on the group at the time).
I'm not sure if your post implied that you do this but if you're meditating to find bliss, I believe you're in it for the wrong reasons. Sure, bliss is nice and can occasionally be a very pleasant side effect. But solely meditating for the bliss shows attachment to that state and means you will grasp for it. The meditative state should however be free of attachment and grasping.
If I drew this conclusion from over analysing your comment, disregard it, someone else might pick it up
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: GoldenEye]
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Connection said: I have problems with meditative guides constantly reminding me that I should not think at all when I find my bliss. Shut the fuck up please.
I've never had guides do that. The emphasis was always on observing those thoughts and redirecting the focus to the breathing (or whatever bloody energy point they were pushing on the group at the time).
I'm not sure if your post implied that you do this but if you're meditating to find bliss, I believe you're in it for the wrong reasons. Sure, bliss is nice and can occasionally be a very pleasant side effect. But solely meditating for the bliss shows attachment to that state and means you will grasp for it. The meditative state should however be free of attachment and grasping.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: teknix]
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Meditation is the art of sending a baby to sweet good night's sleep and doing it well
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: crkhd]
#18793365 - 09/03/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are blank observant meditations, positivity meditations, mantra meditations, and simply emptiness meditations....
I can see how some would seem so suit people better that other meditations would, however I see them as different tools for different experiences.
Kind of how there's no correct way of getting high.
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I have been studying about it for a week or two .Its very interesting stuff. There is page after page of info on it every were to learn all you want.
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http://zmm.mro.org/teachings/meditation-instructions/
^ instructions on Zen meditation you can find on Erowid. I found that to be a very helpful page.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: GoldenEye]
#18794274 - 09/03/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Connection said: You don't have to stop thought in order to meditate. The rise in frequency and calmness comes from the focus of breathe. People spend their whole lives meditating fighting thought, distracting themselves with stories about how thought is bad, fear sinks in thinking i will never meditate or reach stillness calmness higher frequency if there are thoughts. The whole thing is a huge hoax. This process is so destructive causing a battle between yourself causing constant every 4 second chaos. It's rediculous. It's not thought that's the enemy it's the fact that you have all these mental stories engrained from fear thinking you won't reach your goals. You become so scared that you dont even try it. all the pain came from your forceful demand. Allow thoughts and focus on your breathe you'll be fine. Don't buy in to the stories of when people tell you to stop thinking. You have electric charges going through you and there's no way to stop that. Close your eyes wait, Focus on the breathe.
You just summarized why I like to chant instead of doing mindfulness meditations. You're right, very right.
Its not necessarily true. Clear mind meditation does nothing to make thought the enemy. Thoughts and mental chatter are things to let pass without resistance. The point is to let them flow without giving them much mind, and just like sleep, eventually the chatter will fade away.
Chanting is effective without a doubt but I find the clarity meditations to be much more intensive in controlling the mind.
I just dont want people to see the mind clearing meditations as the enemy.
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Chastity Psilocybe said: But where do I start?? I don't know much about it, but I would like to learn. Please meditating community, teach me your ways!
Meditation is really used in the West in an Eastern sense. In Christianity, meditation has to do with attempting to understand a written scripture. It is a mentally discursive process. The Christian term for what we ordinarily call meditation is Contemplation. I want to be clear on this because whether we say meditation or contemplation, the forms are all colored by one religious tradition or the other, and it is helpful if one does not have serious problems with one's own tradition, but can find a contemplative tradition somewhere in one's own religion. There are contemplative practices to be found in the major denominations of Christianity, and when they are not obvious, one can look into the personal history of the founder, say, John Wesley who developed Methodism, and find that he was really into Greek Patristic theology. In Eastern Orthodox Christianity, one finds the most profound techniques of Christian contemplation in all of Christendom, IMO. I don't know you or what exposure you have to a religious tradition. I would make a suggestion if you care to share something of your background. Jumping to an alien religious culture might be exotic and mysterious at first, but it is easier to dig where the ground has already be softened.
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Thanks guys.
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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
#18808882 - 09/06/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you everyone! I will try all of these at some point. I am busy with my business at the moment.
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