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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Yogi1]
    #18789941 - 09/02/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You don't have to stop thought in order to meditate. The rise in frequency and calmness comes from the focus of breathe. People spend their whole lives meditating fighting thought, distracting themselves with stories about how thought is bad, fear sinks in thinking i will never meditate or reach stillness calmness higher frequency if there are thoughts. The whole thing is a huge hoax. This process is so destructive causing a battle between yourself causing constant every 4 second chaos. It's rediculous. It's not thought that's the enemy it's the fact that you have all these mental stories engrained from fear thinking you won't reach your goals. You become so scared that you dont even try it. all the pain came from your forceful demand. Allow thoughts and focus on your breathe you'll be fine. Don't buy in to the stories of when people tell you to stop thinking. You have electric charges going through you and there's no way to stop that. Close your eyes wait, Focus on the breathe.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
    #18790215 - 09/02/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You don't have to stop thought in order to meditate. The rise in frequency and calmness comes from the focus of breathe. People spend their whole lives meditating fighting thought, distracting themselves with stories about how thought is bad, fear sinks in thinking i will never meditate or reach stillness calmness higher frequency if there are thoughts. The whole thing is a huge hoax. This process is so destructive causing a battle between yourself causing constant every 4 second chaos. It's rediculous. It's not thought that's the enemy it's the fact that you have all these mental stories engrained from fear thinking you won't reach your goals. You become so scared that you dont even try it. all the pain came from your forceful demand. Allow thoughts and focus on your breathe you'll be fine. Don't buy in to the stories of when people tell you to stop thinking. You have electric charges going through you and there's no way to stop that. Close your eyes wait, Focus on the breathe.




You just summarized why I like to chant instead of doing mindfulness meditations. You're right, very right.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18790247 - 09/02/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And another suggestion is: go to a silent retreat.

If you can find one where they combine all types of meditation practices (I went to one where they alternated zen/mindfulness/yoga/visualisations/chanting/walking/laughter meditations) you will discover a lot.

The 5 days (in my case) of silence shared within a group of participants is extremely powerful.

I always come back replenished, awakened and happy.

Last time a chick asked the staff if there was acid in the tea every morning. I couldn't stop laughing. Why? Because it could very well have been true :smile:


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
    #18790520 - 09/02/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You don't have to stop thought in order to meditate. The rise in frequency and calmness comes from the focus of breathe. People spend their whole lives meditating fighting thought, distracting themselves with stories about how thought is bad, fear sinks in thinking i will never meditate or reach stillness calmness higher frequency if there are thoughts. The whole thing is a huge hoax. This process is so destructive causing a battle between yourself causing constant every 4 second chaos. It's rediculous. It's not thought that's the enemy it's the fact that you have all these mental stories engrained from fear thinking you won't reach your goals. You become so scared that you dont even try it. all the pain came from your forceful demand. Allow thoughts and focus on your breathe you'll be fine. Don't buy in to the stories of when people tell you to stop thinking. You have electric charges going through you and there's no way to stop that. Close your eyes wait, Focus on the breathe.




Some do spend their entire lives, but others only spend seconds.

It comes naturally for me to stop all thoughts if I want, so how do you think you know about everyone else when all your really saying is about you?

(closed minded and fixed perspective is why)

I think you are far from being at the stage to be teaching anyone or giving advice.

From my personal experience, mantras haven't been at all useful in spiritual progress, but that doesn't mean I consider them useless when others tell me that they have found them useful, it only means they haven't been useful for me . . .

If you take a dogmatic approach that the only thing that works is what works for you, you begin to developed a fixed perspective unwilling to compromise, which imo, is what screws up spirituality.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: teknix]
    #18790688 - 09/02/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I just sit still and observe. :shrug:


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Grapefruit]
    #18791310 - 09/02/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I just sit still and observe. :shrug:



This guys got it.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
    #18791339 - 09/02/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your all right.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
    #18792021 - 09/02/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The thing is that there's positive thoughts especially in states of peace and calm. When someone tells me i shouldn't think when I've reached a peaceful meditative state when my thoughts flow like water I have a problem with that. You expect me to disrupt my thoughts. I have a problem with someone telling me i can't think when I make a huge discovery in meditation a big revelation. I have problems with meditative guides constantly reminding me that I should not think at all when I find my bliss. Shut the fuck up please.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
    #18792060 - 09/02/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I want to tell you what I think, but I don't think it will make any difference to you.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: teknix]
    #18792066 - 09/02/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: yeah]
    #18792104 - 09/02/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why not. When you speak to someone in a higher frequency sometimes they won't understand what your saying online of course. You've reached a state where you live life completely in no thought. But that's a destination. You can't tell 99% of people that use thought to shut it off and not expect chaos it happen. Go tell your friends on Facebook what you were going to tell me and you'll see they'll have no idea what your saying.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
    #18792151 - 09/02/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why not is because you fixed your perspective (or awareness) in your head with thoughts and are happy with it, so be happy with it.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: yeah]
    #18792214 - 09/02/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Happiness and joy is so supportive in meditation I find. While everyone else will tell you to hate thoughts. The negative imprint is grounded in their consciousness. And until experimentation is done then it will always be there imo. Look at videos that give help on meditation you'll find there are 100,000s of people trying to fit a paradigm that doesn't work for them. Meditation is our god given birth right no one owns it no one.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
    #18792227 - 09/02/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Who really ever said to hate thoughts?

It's only in preparation for what comes next, for what comes next is beyond thoughts.

It's in your body rather than in your brain, and any thoughts of it are after the fact .

A place for awareness to go, away from your brain and eyes where it usually resides.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Connection]
    #18793124 - 09/03/13 04:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have problems with meditative guides constantly reminding me that I should not think at all when I find my bliss. Shut the fuck up please.




I've never had guides do that. The emphasis was always on observing those thoughts and redirecting the focus to the breathing (or whatever bloody energy point they were pushing on the group at the time).

I'm not sure if your post implied that you do this but if you're meditating to find bliss, I believe you're in it for the wrong reasons. Sure, bliss is nice and can occasionally be a very pleasant side effect.
But solely meditating for the bliss shows attachment to that state and means you will grasp for it. The meditative state should however be free of attachment and grasping.

If I drew this conclusion from over analysing your comment, disregard it, someone else might pick it up :smile:


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18793127 - 09/03/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have problems with meditative guides constantly reminding me that I should not think at all when I find my bliss. Shut the fuck up please.




I've never had guides do that. The emphasis was always on observing those thoughts and redirecting the focus to the breathing (or whatever bloody energy point they were pushing on the group at the time).

I'm not sure if your post implied that you do this but if you're meditating to find bliss, I believe you're in it for the wrong reasons. Sure, bliss is nice and can occasionally be a very pleasant side effect.
But solely meditating for the bliss shows attachment to that state and means you will grasp for it. The meditative state should however be free of attachment and grasping.

If I drew this conclusion from over analysing your comment, disregard it, someone else might pick it up :smile:




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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: teknix]
    #18793260 - 09/03/13 06:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Meditation is the art of sending a baby to sweet good night's sleep and doing it well


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: crkhd]
    #18793365 - 09/03/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There are blank observant meditations, positivity meditations, mantra meditations, and simply emptiness meditations....

I can see how some would seem so suit people better that other meditations would, however I see them as different tools for different experiences.

Kind of how there's no correct way of getting high.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: Chastity Psilocybe]
    #18793374 - 09/03/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have been studying about it for a week or two .Its very interesting stuff. There is page after page of info on it every were to learn all you want.


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Re: I want to start meditation... [Re: jonnymushroom]
    #18793629 - 09/03/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://zmm.mro.org/teachings/meditation-instructions/

^ instructions on Zen meditation you can find on Erowid. I found that to be a very helpful page.


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