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My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts?
    #18787530 - 09/01/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hello. My name is Hannah and I'm 18 years old. I have experienced something that blows my mind and I'm looking for answers, advice, similar story's, how to enlighten friends and foes(if I should), and how to use this experience.

Recently, within the past few months I believe I experienced ego death.  At the time I had no idea what it was. I had smoked just a few hits (not even that much) of marijuana and was in the process of watching the show called, john must die or something along those lines. The Movie had me thinking... It was starting to really get to me and freak me out. I began questioning reality, which I have done before but never to this extent was I convinced reality isn't what I perceive it to be. But at this point i realized I've  been blinded. THERE IS MORE! It's FACT. My mind wondered a bit as I began thinking maybe giant people are watching us, changing our environment and manipulating our lives for their own personal reasons which are unknown, The Move was tripping me out YO! lol. But then again, maybe it COULD be true. Who knows, i have many theories..

Anyways, At the time i was with my ex boyfriend, who is not great in character and would not discuss anything with me nor turn off or discuss the show. I felt so alone because of this. I wanted to share what I was feeling with someone who cared even a little bit. My body stayed on the couch but my thinking felt very detached. My body did not feel like my own. I felt as though it was almost un-needed in a way. My body movements felt unreal. I felt that if someone were to talk to me, id have to almost make my body to talk and respond. My thinking was different; changed.  My anxiety was off the charts. I was 100%  SURE something abnormal was happening to me, or i was going crazy; or both. I fought it for a while, longing for myself to return. If my friends had experienced this, they sure never told me! The anxiety of going crazy and not knowing what was happening because of this feeling of detachment of my thoughts and my body had not subsided after what seemed like a eternity, i had to eventually  accepted this is who I am now. I am now going to be like this forever. I accepted it. Now comes the other thoughts my brain had room for. I could see people as they really are. Meaning as people can see the physical world around them, I could so to say SEE they're character and they're true motives. Maybe like a 6th sense? Some people judge character, but i believe i KNEW they're character, at least to an extent. (Usually when I get high, (especially the first time) this seems to happen but in a much less noticeable "lower-dose" form. And when I'm not high, I believe i can judge character pretty well.)..
Now I was trying my hardest to appear normal so everyone wouldn't know I had lost my mind. I felt nothing, yet I felt everything. I saw my TRUE self. It wasn't who i was on the outside that made me me. There is more. I also began to see myself in a new way. I saw how self centered i was. I saw how terrible and mean and rude i could be. I was so extremely childish and petty in ways I don't even think others picked up on. I really was a disgusting person. Then a there i decided to change. How could I be like this? I never knew I was like this? Did people perceive me this way? They must have. Well soon after my ex boyfriend left and i went upstairs to sleep. When I woke up if i remember correctly my ego had returned and I was left mystified but someone enlighten.

I remember thinking how little i know. I realized I know NOTHING... A few days pasted and I kept this a secret. But  was very changed. Then a couple days after my ego death my brothers were talking about how my brother david acts when he gets drunk... and so began me spilling the beans about my experience. And my brother opened the doors of knowledge to me about what I had went through. I wasn't crazy after all.  My brother who is pretty knowledgeable in these kind of things and is somewhat enlightened (although I now believe I passed up his level of enlightenment) told me about ego death and we had a 7 or 8 hour discussion right through the morning about what we call, "The Hidden Truth" I began research buddhism and monks and etc. I deeply questions my Christianity and other things I've been taught. I arrived at the conclusion that I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for many many valid reasons. Also, make note that Adam and eve were tempted my gaining *******knowledge***** to be like God, SO recently I have begun to question whether this enlightenment, although I know its very very real, is a good thing in God's eyes or a good thing in Satan's eyes.. Anyways. This is getting long and this happened quite a few weeks ago. I'm in a hurry  so I probably left out things but this is good for now. I hope I get a response and some answers. It's like there's a hidden truth from people and no one cares to learn it. They'd rather be in their own little reality. *sigh* It makes me sad to think about, but also gives me motive! Then at the same time maybe God meant for us to not know all of this, and it is TRULY in our best interest. But through all this, I learned more about myself. This is the best thing that happened to me because I changed for the better of not only myself, but for other people. I hope I continue to always keep my ego in view as much as possible! I hope to better humanity and help everyone be the best version of them self. God bless. -Hannah PS SORRY FOR THE "SCATTERBRAINNESS" and grammar errors. I can't focus and my brain is everywhere at the moment.
Hav you expierenced this? Is so, is it a good thing or a bad thing if Christianity is Correct and the Bible is truth.
You may choose only one


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18787564 - 09/01/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry I didn't read your story,  all those words  overwhelmed my small attention span

God is dead, not real, imaginary and not  good for young people. But it's great for old people.. Not really.  but it provides comfort and unity I guess, I never been to an English speaking church so I never understood..

The bible belongs to the church so of course their going to want you to attend, they don't pay taxes yet their every where, they always need more money. Idk I see nothing positive from churches , but I'm not a person who goes to one.

I eat mushrooms and go to church the way god intended us too

Your god.


Edited by Shroomhunter510 (09/01/13 10:59 PM)


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18787629 - 09/01/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think it is enlightenment, but it could be a spiritual awakening of sort.

To me enlightenment is having access to your entire energy body and understanding it, awakening is the first step to accessing that energy body by freeing the awareness that was stuck in your eyes by your ego. Check out the link in my sig if you want to know more about what I think about it.

I've been trying to unravel the truth of it all for a long time, I even majored in biology to try to figure it out and while I think I'm getting closer to the truth, there always seems to be more, it's like a never ending story.

Also if you can put your wall of text into paragraphs it will make it much easier for people to read and respond to.

(P.S. It's cool that you found the phenomena at a young age, I was 19 when I discovered it, and I'm 30 now, and still discovering more 11 years later.)

It is definitely a journey.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18787667 - 09/01/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cool post, I think you'll fit in here. I think that you've had your eyes opened somewhat and are discovering the idea that there is more to life than the narrow frequency most people's brains operate on.

Since you're just starting (I think) I'll just say, FORGET about enlightenment but don't turn your back on the fact you always keep learning. http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=4362

Oh and mainstream religion is bs. :satansmoking:


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: lolwut]
    #18787670 - 09/01/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

hey lolwut, hows it been?

:cool:


Edited by teknix (09/01/13 11:28 PM)


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18787680 - 09/01/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fucking awful.  :peyotezen:


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: lolwut]
    #18787734 - 09/01/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's not good :eek:


Edited by teknix (09/01/13 11:55 PM)


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18787750 - 09/01/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18787757 - 09/01/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A lot of people are brainwashed, I guess you probably won't like hearing Christianity is bullshit right away...but keep an open mind about the idea that everything you know is false and that there are ideas out there that are much more "accurate"


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18787768 - 09/01/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

HannahMichelle said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PLJv7sRaXZYJVYzVTRK54G3nafywcKy4U_&v=2GGHAK9ksL8
After watching this... I'm even more confused.




If god loves everyone, what do their beliefs matter at all?

If god is just, wouldn't he let a good and just person into heaven regardless what they believe? If not then he wouldn't be just and I personally wouldn't much to do with him. :shrug:

Jesus was teaching Metta, to love everyone without clining, would you disagree?

Practicing Metta and actually feeling love for people would have to be of god, but I don't believe in Kundalini or Christianity really, I'm a scientist.

Do you really think god would force us to believe in something we cannot know, or go to hell? srsly? Forcing belief is a form of manipulation, not a path towards truth.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18787912 - 09/02/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i gotta say i read your post and it truly touched home.
we live every day in a struggle. this like money and a home only present assurance that you wont get cold or go hungry and you will be clothed. But we you look at it from the perspective you have you see madness around you. every one getting up early to beat the traffic people in line at the welfare office homeless asking for a buck little kids copying what they see on Tv. its madness to your new perception but love your self is whats most important love love love your self, its sad to see a girl like Milly cyrus go the rout shes going shes just a cum bucket for who ever pays top dollar to. shes not free at all shes a slave to her own self worth.  tell your self in the mirror every morning i love you ( i do) ! love your family.respect!! and help others when you see a opportunity. you do it because it makes you feel good.  there's so many routs to take in life with totally different endings. you can be a burden to this world or you can stand for something and spread love and promote harmony to your neighbors and peers.
this knowledge you say come to you is not some type of unknown knowledge it comes with age. alot of young kids dont think like that. they thinks its about being all into others life's like its a drama movie and who is cool and who is not. for get all of that and be productive and enjoy life in its misery. I hate hearing kids talk about suicide yea it might take a brave person to do that to them self's but it take a even braver person to face the challenges ahead and it will make you a wise person. And i know theirs a great hand full of ashiest here. Don't allow  them to rip you away from what is true. i don't know if Jesus is real but i know there is a GOD there is some one that's controlling the universe and keeping natures order.And the new testament in the bible gives you good list of things that can assure happiness in your life. i stopped going to church because it always got weird when the money collector got on the podium and asked for more money. come to find out he was steeling from the church. true story.so why don't god stop the evil he is god right?he does not control the evil things we do to each other. If the whole world was to care for each other we would make it to the next level in reality but with evil works greed and hate we can never achieve what is possible.
the TV pastors and all that are all BS they want your money! just love your self and others and you will be ok! and dont do synthetic drugs they screw with your brain ! your still growing and so is your brain do clout it. "LSD CHANGED MY LIFE" no BS. LOVE true love comes from within and drugs are not needed! But I'm all for the mushrooms & weed. any plant that does not have to be chemically altered has my approval. Just my rant on this good topic ! peace and welcome to the most diverse forum i have ever seen. i only joined for the awesome knowledge people share about growing mushrooms and topics like this! :smile:


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Megatrondon]
    #18787939 - 09/02/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Genesis 1:29
Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle] * 1
    #18788059 - 09/02/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ask yourself this, if I was born in Iran or India  or Tibet would I believe in the Christian version of things or instead whatever was the cultural religion of choice where I was born?

You definitely saw through some shit imo. Now turn that gaze on your current cultural beliefs.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #18789005 - 09/02/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This is a really good question, unfortunately, it's rather impossible to answer.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18789035 - 09/02/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Read some near death experiences.

One common element amongst many, many near death experiences is the panoramic overview of your entire life.

Some higher power or being (different ones based on peoples cultural beliefs) will allow you this unbiased overview of your life.

But now... for the interesting part:

It is not this being that ends up judging you.

It's role is simply to allow you to view yourself in an objective way.

It is YOU who makes the decision, whether you lived a righteous or a sinful life, YOU decide.

The conclusion I drew from this is: love yourself and forgive yourself (easy if you learn from your mistakes) and you will die in peace.

You'll find your path and I wish you the best.

(PS: almost none of the people that have had a near death experience believed death to be the end, no matter what their backgrounds or beliefs were)


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18789841 - 09/02/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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This is a really good question, unfortunately, it's rather impossible to answer.




Guess.  Look at how each culture has it's religion that it believes to be the true one.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #18789857 - 09/02/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Most, not each.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: ClockCode]
    #18790385 - 09/02/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you are a seeker then you will not sleep until you figure these truths out.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: eve69]
    #18790456 - 09/02/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Whatever eve, some truths takes years if not decades if they are even ever figured out.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18791688 - 09/02/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Am I the only one who caught the age-related ninja-edit in the OP? :lol:

Quote:

teknix said:
Whatever eve, some truths takes years if not decades if they are even ever figured out.




IMO one of the biggest mistakes a seeker can make is assume that they've figured out the Truth.  All I've got are my best guesses and beliefs, and they can change at any time as the evidence I observe and reason about changes.  Certainty is a trap.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: deCypher]
    #18791924 - 09/02/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How could you be the only one?

:tongue:

(P.S. how can you be so certain it wasn't a typo?)


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: deCypher]
    #18791960 - 09/02/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Am I the only one who caught the age-related ninja-edit in the OP? :lol:

Quote:

teknix said:
Whatever eve, some truths takes years if not decades if they are even ever figured out.




IMO one of the biggest mistakes a seeker can make is assume that they've figured out the Truth.  All I've got are my best guesses and beliefs, and they can change at any time as the evidence I observe and reason about changes.  Certainty is a trap.




That's true from my experiences as well, which have manifested some pretty delusional thoughts, like when I discovered the inner-fire, the first thought that came into my mind was that I was being attacked by a fire spirit, lol . .

Then, after some research, I realized it was just more spiritual advancement and a part of internal alchemy.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18792007 - 09/02/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Heres a cool song that kinda describes the life of a seeker:



To just be . . . rather than trying to be "something".


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18792815 - 09/03/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This is from the literature of the Temple of the True Inner Light:

LSD, DMT, Psilocybin, DPT, Marijuana, Peyote, Morning Glories: these are the
-=(Names)=- of the true God – the true Flesh of God.
    The scriptures are where to find the definition of God - at least, it's where to find the definition of the God that Christ, Moses, Buddha, Mohammed, etc., worshiped.
    We are saying that the people who wrote the scriptures were calling Psychedelics "God" and that that is the true God.
    How does one find this definition?
    Through Experience and Reason.
    The Hindus have a God called "Soma". Hindus today believe that Soma was a plant. However, they no longer know the identity of which plant Soma was, and so, they understand that they are using a substitute for the original.
    The Vedas call Soma "the Creator of the Gods". Thus, Soma was what the Christians call "the Father".
    Most world religions had, or still have, a Communion ceremony. In the "Christian" Communion, they eat a wheat wafer, or drink wine and are then supposed to believe that these substances magically turn into the flesh and blood of God (Christ). They are then supposed to be able to see the "Light" and to receive the "Holy Spirit". When you ask them if they actually saw a real light or heard a real spirit they say "no".
    When a person communes with the true Flesh and Blood of Christ, they see a real Light and receive a real Holy Spirit.
    Does any "Christian" today think that the original Christians didn't see a real Light or receive a real Holy Spirit? Why then does no one today see these things?
    It is our understanding that today's "Christians" have not only lost the identity of the true Host, but they have lost the knowledge that the substance they are calling the "Host", is, in fact, a substitute.
    (Acts, 2, 1) When Pentecost day came around, they (the Apostles) had all met in one room, when suddenly they heard what sounded like a powerful wind from heaven, the noise of which filled the entire house in which they were sitting; and something appeared to them that seemed like tongues of fire; these separated and came to rest on the head of each of them. They were all filled with the Holy Spirit…
    Thus, through reason and experience one can see that the Psychedelic is the true Flesh of God. They are the true identity of Soma, the "Father".
    The (Mexican) Nahua word for Psilocybin, Teonanacatl, means β€œGod’s Flesh”.


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    #18793016 - 09/03/13 02:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There has to be both visionary experience, which may include 'ego death' also known as 'ego transcendence', but there also has to be critical thinking on reintegration, and feeling

What do I mean by that? OK, in your wonderings about what happened you still seem caught up un the Christian mythology. You say your worried about 'God' and 'Satan' and 'Adam and Eve' and how you may have eaten the 'fruit' you weren't supposed to---which is the theme of the biblical 'Garden of Eden' tale, right?

So what I mean about critical thinking is that you would have to look deeper into where that story comes FROM. This kind of thing I began doing years ago. I was to find out that many of the myths we're brought up in are patriarchal.

That Adam and Eve story is one of the first recorded /writ down patriarchal myths which aims to DIVIDE and CONTROL. by this I mean that the whole myth is a downer on women, the Goddess, psychedelic inspiration, serpents, and feeling ecstatic interrelatedness with the land, with nature.

So do you see what I mean? enlightenment or whatever you wanna call it--learning--is ongoing and includes visionary experience and your own unique inquisitiveness to QUESTION what any given author-ity is telling you. No matter how big, and for how long the authority is or has been around. You have the freedom to question, and don't allow them, or their followers to say you haven't!


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    #18793037 - 09/03/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like you had ego loss but the fact you were trying to fit in for your friends and still holding onto something means you didn't have ego death. If you did you'd feel yourself dying, everything evaporating and all you experience is "all" or pure and utter existence.

In fact Idk how anyone could experience ego death not by themselves. Too many distractions. There's a difference between intense anxiety and feeling your physical body die and the back of your head "pop" or have that weird burning feeling.

Basically I'd advise against aiming for ego death. You're going to experience your actual death and that's not something you should do at a party. Only go for it knowing you're going to have to let go of everything and there's no turning back.


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    #18793054 - 09/03/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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There has to be both visionary experience, which may include 'ego death' also known as 'ego transcendence', but there also has to be critical thinking on reintegration, and feeling

What do I mean by that? OK, in your wonderings about what happened you still seem caught up un the Christian mythology. You say your worried about 'God' and 'Satan' and 'Adam and Eve' and how you may have eaten the 'fruit' you weren't supposed to---which is the theme of the biblical 'Garden of Eden' tale, right?

So what I mean about critical thinking is that you would have to look deeper into where that story comes FROM. This kind of thing I began doing years ago. I was to find out that many of the myths we're brought up in are patriarchal.

That Adam and Eve story is one of the first recorded /writ down patriarchal myths which aims to DIVIDE and CONTROL. by this I mean that the whole myth is a downer on women, the Goddess, psychedelic inspiration, serpents, and feeling ecstatic interrelatedness with the land, with nature.

So do you see what I mean? enlightenment or whatever you wanna call it--learning--is ongoing and includes visionary experience and your own unique inquisitiveness to QUESTION what any given author-ity is telling you. No matter how big, and for how long the authority is or has been around. You have the freedom to question, and don't allow them, or their followers to say you haven't!




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Flood myth

Main article: Flood myth

Cultures around the world tell stories about a great flood.[14] In many cases, the flood leaves only one survivor or group of survivors. For example, both the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh and the Hebrew Bible tell of a global flood that wiped out humanity and of a man who saved the Earth's species by taking them aboard a boat.[15] Similar stories of a single flood survivor appear in Hindu mythology,[16] Aztec mythology,[17] in the Greek myth of Deucalion as well as in the Quran.


The creative sacrifice


Many cultures have stories about divine figures whose death creates an essential part of reality.[18][19] These myths seem especially common among cultures that grow crops, particularly tubers.[20] One such myth from the Wemale people of Seram Island, Indonesia, tells of a miraculously-conceived girl named Hainuwele, whose murdered corpse sprouts into the people's staple food crops.[21] The Chinese myth of Pangu,[22] the Vedic myth of Purusha,[23] and the Norse myth of Ymir all tell of a cosmic giant who is killed to create the world.[18] Similar is the Christian myth of Christ, whose death refashions the world.

The dying god

Main article: Life-death-rebirth deity

Many myths feature a god who dies and often returns to life.[24] Such myths are particularly common in Near Eastern mythologies.[25] The anthropologist Sir James Frazer compared these "dying god" myths in his multi-volume work The Golden Bough. The Egyptian god Osiris and the Mesopotamian god Tammuz are examples of the "dying god", while the Greek myths of Adonis (though a mortal) has often been compared to Osiris and the myth of Dionysos also features death and rebirth.[26] Some scholars have noted similarities between polytheistic stories of "dying gods" and the Christian story of Jesus of Nazareth.[27] Awareness of these similarities goes back to the early Christian era, when the church father Justin Martyr discussed them.[28]

A number of scholars have suggested that hero stories from various cultures have the same underlying structure. Otto Rank, who began his career as a follower of Sigmund Freud, argued that the stories of heroes' births have a common Oedipal structure.[29] Other scholars, including Lord Raglan and, more recently, Joseph Campbell, have also suggested that hero stories share a common structure.[30] Some comparative mythologists look for similarities only among hero stories within a specific geographical or ethnic range. For example, the Austrian scholar Johann Georg van Hahn tried to identify a common structure underlying "Aryan" hero stories.[31] Others, such as Campbell, propose theories about hero stories in general. According to Campbell's "monomyth" theory, hero stories from around the world share a common plot structure.[32] Because of its extremely comparative nature, the monomyth theory is currently out of favor with the mainstream study of mythology.[5]

Axis mundi

Main article: Axis mundi

Many mythologies mention a place that sits at the center of the world and acts as a point of contact between different levels of the universe.[33] This "axis mundi" is often marked by a sacred tree or other mythical object. For example, many myths describe a great tree or pillar joining heaven, earth, and the underworld.[34] Vedic India, ancient China, and the ancient Germans all had myths featuring a "Cosmic Tree" whose branches reach heaven and whose roots reach hell.[35]

Titanomachy

Many cultures have a creation myth in which a group of younger, more civilized gods conquer and/or struggle against a group of older gods who represent the forces of chaos. In the Greek myth of the Titanomachy, the Olympian gods defeat the Titans, an older and more primitive divine race, and establish cosmic order.[36][37] In Hindu mythology, the devas (gods) battle the asuras (demons).[37] And the Celtic gods of life and light struggle against the Fomorians, ancient gods of death and darkness.[37]

This myth of the gods conquering demons - and order conquering chaos - is especially common in Indo-European mythologies. Some scholars suggest that the myth reflects the ancient Indo-Europeans' conquest of native peoples during their expansion over Europe and India.[38][39]
However, non-Indo-European cultures also have such myths. For example, many Near Eastern mythologies include a "combat myth" in which a good god battles an evil or chaotic demon.[40] An example is the Babylonian Enuma Elish.[41]
See also: Titanomachy, Theomachy, and Theogony

The deus otiosus

Many cultures believe in a celestial Supreme Being who has cut off contact with humanity. Historian Mircea Eliade calls this Supreme Being a deus otiosus (an "idle god"),[42] although this term is also used more broadly, to refer to any god who doesn't interact regularly with humans. In many myths, the Supreme Being withdraws into the heavens after the creation of the world.[43] Baluba mythology features such a story, in which the supreme God withdraws from the earth, leaving man to search for him.[44] Similarly, the mythology of the Hereros tells of a Sky God who has abandoned mankind to lesser divinities.[45] In the mythologies of highly complex cultures, the Supreme Being tends to disappear completely, replaced by a strongly polytheistic belief system.[46]


Founding myths
Founding myth

Many cultures have myths describing the origin of their customs, rituals, and identity. In fact, ancient and traditional societies have often justified their customs by claiming that their gods or mythical heroes established those customs.[47][48] For example, according to the myths of the Australian Karadjeri, the mythical Bagadjimbiri brothers established all of the Karadjeri's customs, including the position in which they stand while urinating.[49]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_mythology

Yes, the stories are defined as myths because they are . . .

There was this really good video who elaborated particularly on the Christianity creation Myths, exemplifying the similarities between it and other religions prior to it, but I can't seem to find it.

:shrug:

But Christianity ripped off a bunch of stuff from other stories and claimed it as its own.


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    #18793084 - 09/03/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here it is: please view with an open mind Hannah! :wink:








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    #18793096 - 09/03/13 04:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I like how everyone jumps on the opportunity to preach.

What does this say about us?


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    #18793105 - 09/03/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I dunno about you bro, but I can back up everything I say objectively, so I don't consider it preaching but telling the truth.

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(And if I can't I will explicitly say that I think or imo.)

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    #18793142 - 09/03/13 04:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I dunno about you bro, but I can back up everything I say objectively, so I don't consider it preaching but telling the truth.

:shrug:

(And if I can't I will explicitly say that I think or imo.)

Try me.




That can only be said if one believes in an absolute truth.

Missionaries and preachers also believe they speak the truth and believe they can objectively back it up. They have scriptures as their proof. I'm sure you could show me some of your scriptures, right?

It was just an interesting observation I made, also reflecting upon my own actions as I did exactly the same.

I just came to think my/our actions bordered on wishing the best for OP and guiding her on her path, to jumping at an opportunity to push ones own beliefs in an opportunistic way.

Again, I'm not judging any of it as I am doing the same. Another reason not to judge it is that I'm 1000% confident that OP is capable of thinking for herself and finds all these different inputs useful.

In summary, no offense, but we are preaching, stating that you think you are conveying an absolute truth makes it even more like preaching imo.

"Every truth becomes a lie if you believe in it for too long." - Herman van Veen

The only absolute truth I hold is that there is none. But now I am preaching that there is no absolute truth. Fuck my life, it's impossible to escape...

See?


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    #18793185 - 09/03/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You deny there is absolute truth?

Is there existence?

Is there love?

How do you know?


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    #18793186 - 09/03/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I dunno about you bro, but I can back up everything I say objectively, so I don't consider it preaching but telling the truth.

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(And if I can't I will explicitly say that I think or imo.)

Try me.




That can only be said if one believes in an absolute truth.

Missionaries and preachers also believe they speak the truth and believe they can objectively back it up. They have scriptures as their proof. I'm sure you could show me some of your scriptures, right?

It was just an interesting observation I made, also reflecting upon my own actions as I did exactly the same.

I just came to think my/our actions bordered on wishing the best for OP and guiding her on her path, to jumping at an opportunity to push ones own beliefs in an opportunistic way.

Again, I'm not judging any of it as I am doing the same. Another reason not to judge it is that I'm 1000% confident that OP is capable of thinking for herself and finds all these different inputs useful.

In summary, no offense, but we are preaching, stating that you think you are conveying an absolute truth makes it even more like preaching imo.

"Every truth becomes a lie if you believe in it for too long." - Herman van Veen

The only absolute truth I hold is that there is none. But now I am preaching that there is no absolute truth. Fuck my life, it's impossible to escape...

See?




Nope, absolute truths you can experience first hand and see for yourself.

I personally prefer that you don't believe.


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    #18793218 - 09/03/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You deny there is absolute truth?

Is there existence?

Is there love?

How do you know?




I know that things I used to believe in very strongly are now less true for me.
I know that my belief systems are ever changing.

Why would love and existence be immune to those changes?
Why would they be absolute?

I'm pretty sure there are people that don't believe in love. I'm pretty sure there are delusions in which existence is denied.

Is the fact that those beliefs are held less frequently a sign of their fallacy and a proof that in fact love and existence are true?

I don't think so. I think truth is a very malleable concept that equates to a set of unquestioned axiomas at best.

This is why I am always trying to broaden my perspective, to speak with people that hold different belief systems. It's intruiging.

But this discussion is very problematic as not believing in an absolute truth also implies that you could be wrong in that sense... :laugh:

What I'm basically saying is that you can never be sure of anything, you can just choose to believe it for a while.

You can be a seeker, but you will never find.

It's the journey not the destination.

Enjoy the process, don't get hung up on the goals.


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    #18793221 - 09/03/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:Nope, absolute truths you can experience first hand and see for yourself.




Well, experience is linked to previous experiences.

I will never experience things the way you do.

So how can I experience something that will lead me to the same truths you hold?

I will always have my own truth for I will always have my own experiences. Therefore, we will never share a truth with anyone. How can there be absolutism in that?


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    #18793230 - 09/03/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And a final thing, you said that your truths can be experienced first hand and that this makes them absolute.

So can mine.

I mentioned before that what used to be true for me back in the days is now in many respects less true.

I'm sure you have similar experiences.

Wouldn't my disbelief in absolute truth by this reasoning have to be an absolute truth? Since it is capable to be experienced firsthand?


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    #18793244 - 09/03/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Make another post, I don't wanna derail this topic anymore, but if your genuinely curious, I'll explain the best I can!

Put it in philosophy if you prefer it like that or here if you like it that way.

However you want it.

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    #18793257 - 09/03/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good call.

I am of course genuinely curious so I have made a topic on this absolute truth question:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18793256

Please kick it off teknix!


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    #18796385 - 09/03/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for responding. You all have given me lots to think about.

I must throw it out there the everything keeps leading me to the Bible. I believe this stuff i experienced might be sort of spiritual,and would fit into the "emerging church" and what they teach ( not a good thing in my opinion, as they are messing around with talking to spirits and things of that nature). Maybe the sort of things that happen in witch craft or witch doctors? But I happened to open my mind up to it, partial credit would go to what I smoked.

I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.

We all have our own beliefs. Everyone has they're own belief that they believe is true. Now ultimately, i'm pretty sure they're is one truth. Everyone has the choice to chose....


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    #18796525 - 09/03/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.





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I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.





Not sure what you are thinking that the Bible says to stay away from?




Sorry, that was very vague. I meant pursuing things such as ego death. This spiritual stuff. And all these other things that I can't even begin to explain or list. Going to different dimensions and (supposedly) talking to spirits. Stuff like that, that I've been hearing some people say they do.


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I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.





Not sure what you are thinking that the Bible says to stay away from?




Sorry, that was very vague. I meant pursuing things such as ego death. This spiritual stuff. And all these other things that I can't even begin to explain or list. Going to different dimensions and (supposedly) talking to spirits. Stuff like that, that I've been hearing some people say they do.




That sort of stuff is overrated and can't be proven to be anything other than tapping into a part of your brain that makes you hallucinate and believe weird shit


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    #18797224 - 09/03/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This experience moved me, perhaps the only thing human beings will ever truly have in common with one-another is not so much the ability, or the option -- but the inevitability of death. And that's okay. You had a glimpse at what you saw was wrong, and let me just tell you... it's all wrong. All of it. You can't even put your finger on it because if you do, you're wrong!

You see, the dynamic of this thing we call life, or experience, doesn't begin with duality (as Christians reciprocate in Genesis), or even in unity. Experience begins... well, with lack thereof. Void -- formlessness. Absolution in its most perfect form. When we experience ego death, we are dissolved by this fact, and become 'united' with all of consciousness, or 'God'. God does not speak, or even think. God is. That's all there is. If it ain't nothing, it's something! Hahah. Thence begins duality (the question of is, or isn't).

Let me put it this way... if God has a name, a face. A detail! A description! It's not god. It's an 'entity' or 'ego-god'. The extra-dimensional manifestation of god -- broken down and reduced into a limited but nevertheless multidimensional frequency. It might be of a higher conscious matrix than ours (as above, so below, spheres within spheres, etc.), a higher or lower level of reality than ours (comparison of sub-atomic physics, or quantum physics, to relative physics which deal with atomic mass and gravity), but it only is what it is. The ego-god. It would be like saying your best friend Jesus of Nazareth IS God (OHWAIT), when in fact he would have personally shrank from that title, because that would mean assuming a title or lord-ship (the Ba'al god complex), when he knew he was only a son of god residing within the heart of the universal consciousness (Christ consciousness, the Buddhic state, the extra-dimensional being). Anything other than source, is just an illusion within its magnificence, and something to be looked at so that you can attribute value to it. You can't put your finger on the source of all things because there is no capacity to see outside of it. Whatever you manifest is only an illusion that is projected from your current perspective within the universal consciousness. Basically, everyone here is right! They all have their own opinion, their own perception of reality, but only God truly knows that everything around him is bullshit. It's not there. He is the only thing that truly 'is' around US, and if it isn't a pure expression of that consciousness, there really is nothing else around it. If heaven could be described as reaching unity with the isth'nus -- hell would be the entrapment in  an interpretation of his holy frequency (a dimension), no matter how nice you might think it is for a time, it's still the ego! It's like having one picture in your head, or one identity, for all eternity. I mean, it might not seem like hell, this life isn't so bad, right? That's why the Church started calling it Purgatory. Re-experience. REINCARNATION. A series of 'second' chances to comprehend your energetic frequencies, and their respective place within the one frequency, or 'OM'. That place within the consciousness is the ego, and when you dissolve it, your place is understood.

I didn't put down all I have to say, but I hope this helps you, and maybe caused others to question even more of what they 'think' they know. That you know you know nothing about god, except your place within him and that it is good, is enough to be more than all the grains of sand on all the world's beaches and deserts!.:wink:


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    #18797335 - 09/03/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.





Not sure what you are thinking that the Bible says to stay away from?




Sorry, that was very vague. I meant pursuing things such as ego death. This spiritual stuff. And all these other things that I can't even begin to explain or list. Going to different dimensions and (supposedly) talking to spirits. Stuff like that, that I've been hearing some people say they do.




Actually, my belief is that "ego" death is what the writers of the Bible were aiming at.

Since you have been brought to true life with Christ, you must look for the things that are in heaven, where Christ is, sitting at God's right hand. Let your thoughts be on heavenly things, not on the things that are on earth, because you have died, and now the life you have is hidden with Christ in God. -- Colossians, 3, 1

But what is the ego?

St. John, 1, 9: The true Light, that enlightens every person, was coming into the world. They were in the world, -- the world that existed through Them, and the world didn't recognize Them. They came to Their own folk, and Their own folk didn't accept Them. But to those who have accepted Them, They gave the right to become the Children of God, that is to those who believe in Their Name: who owe this birth of theirs to God and not to the flesh, or the impulses of the flesh, nor of the will of humans, but to God.

To me, the ego is dead when a person accepts the Name of God. And that Name is Entheogens. Then they are "born from God".

That is what, (I believe), Entheogens are leading to.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18797819 - 09/04/13 02:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The problem with bible quotes is that the bible can literally be quoted to support any statement.

They are already open to a huge range of interpretations when they are in their context, even more so when they are ripped out of their context.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18801172 - 09/04/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This experience moved me, perhaps the only thing human beings will ever truly have in common with one-another is not so much the ability, or the option -- but the inevitability of death. And that's okay. You had a glimpse at what you saw was wrong, and let me just tell you... it's all wrong. All of it. You can't even put your finger on it because if you do, you're wrong!

You see, the dynamic of this thing we call life, or experience, doesn't begin with duality (as Christians reciprocate in Genesis), or even in unity. Experience begins... well, with lack thereof. Void -- formlessness. Absolution in its most perfect form. When we experience ego death, we are dissolved by this fact, and become 'united' with all of consciousness, or 'God'. God does not speak, or even think. God is. That's all there is. If it ain't nothing, it's something! Hahah. Thence begins duality (the question of is, or isn't).

Let me put it this way... if God has a name, a face. A detail! A description! It's not god. It's an 'entity' or 'ego-god'. The extra-dimensional manifestation of god -- broken down and reduced into a limited but nevertheless multidimensional frequency. It might be of a higher conscious matrix than ours (as above, so below, spheres within spheres, etc.), a higher or lower level of reality than ours (comparison of sub-atomic physics, or quantum physics, to relative physics which deal with atomic mass and gravity), but it only is what it is. The ego-god. It would be like saying your best friend Jesus of Nazareth IS God (OHWAIT), when in fact he would have personally shrank from that title, because that would mean assuming a title or lord-ship (the Ba'al god complex), when he knew he was only a son of god residing within the heart of the universal consciousness (Christ consciousness, the Buddhic state, the extra-dimensional being). Anything other than source, is just an illusion within its magnificence, and something to be looked at so that you can attribute value to it. You can't put your finger on the source of all things because there is no capacity to see outside of it. Whatever you manifest is only an illusion that is projected from your current perspective within the universal consciousness. Basically, everyone here is right! They all have their own opinion, their own perception of reality, but only God truly knows that everything around him is bullshit. It's not there. He is the only thing that truly 'is' around US, and if it isn't a pure expression of that consciousness, there really is nothing else around it. If heaven could be described as reaching unity with the isth'nus -- hell would be the entrapment in  an interpretation of his holy frequency (a dimension), no matter how nice you might think it is for a time, it's still the ego! It's like having one picture in your head, or one identity, for all eternity. I mean, it might not seem like hell, this life isn't so bad, right? That's why the Church started calling it Purgatory. Re-experience. REINCARNATION. A series of 'second' chances to comprehend your energetic frequencies, and their respective place within the one frequency, or 'OM'. That place within the consciousness is the ego, and when you dissolve it, your place is understood.

I didn't put down all I have to say, but I hope this helps you, and maybe caused others to question even more of what they 'think' they know. That you know you know nothing about god, except your place within him and that it is good, is enough to be more than all the grains of sand on all the world's beaches and deserts!.:wink:





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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18802209 - 09/05/13 06:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This experience moved me, perhaps the only thing human beings will ever truly have in common with one-another is not so much the ability, or the option -- but the inevitability of death. And that's okay. You had a glimpse at what you saw was wrong, and let me just tell you... it's all wrong. All of it. You can't even put your finger on it because if you do, you're wrong!

You see, the dynamic of this thing we call life, or experience, doesn't begin with duality (as Christians reciprocate in Genesis), or even in unity. Experience begins... well, with lack thereof. Void -- formlessness. Absolution in its most perfect form. When we experience ego death, we are dissolved by this fact, and become 'united' with all of consciousness, or 'God'. God does not speak, or even think. God is. That's all there is. If it ain't nothing, it's something! Hahah. Thence begins duality (the question of is, or isn't).

Let me put it this way... if God has a name, a face. A detail! A description! It's not god. It's an 'entity' or 'ego-god'. The extra-dimensional manifestation of god -- broken down and reduced into a limited but nevertheless multidimensional frequency. It might be of a higher conscious matrix than ours (as above, so below, spheres within spheres, etc.), a higher or lower level of reality than ours (comparison of sub-atomic physics, or quantum physics, to relative physics which deal with atomic mass and gravity), but it only is what it is. The ego-god. It would be like saying your best friend Jesus of Nazareth IS God (OHWAIT), when in fact he would have personally shrank from that title, because that would mean assuming a title or lord-ship (the Ba'al god complex), when he knew he was only a son of god residing within the heart of the universal consciousness (Christ consciousness, the Buddhic state, the extra-dimensional being). Anything other than source, is just an illusion within its magnificence, and something to be looked at so that you can attribute value to it. You can't put your finger on the source of all things because there is no capacity to see outside of it. Whatever you manifest is only an illusion that is projected from your current perspective within the universal consciousness. Basically, everyone here is right! They all have their own opinion, their own perception of reality, but only God truly knows that everything around him is bullshit. It's not there. He is the only thing that truly 'is' around US, and if it isn't a pure expression of that consciousness, there really is nothing else around it. If heaven could be described as reaching unity with the isth'nus -- hell would be the entrapment in  an interpretation of his holy frequency (a dimension), no matter how nice you might think it is for a time, it's still the ego! It's like having one picture in your head, or one identity, for all eternity. I mean, it might not seem like hell, this life isn't so bad, right? That's why the Church started calling it Purgatory. Re-experience. REINCARNATION. A series of 'second' chances to comprehend your energetic frequencies, and their respective place within the one frequency, or 'OM'. That place within the consciousness is the ego, and when you dissolve it, your place is understood.

I didn't put down all I have to say, but I hope this helps you, and maybe caused others to question even more of what they 'think' they know. That you know you know nothing about god, except your place within him and that it is good, is enough to be more than all the grains of sand on all the world's beaches and deserts!.:wink:




This is an excellent post. This is how it is.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18802242 - 09/05/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This experience moved me, perhaps the only thing human beings will ever truly have in common with one-another is not so much the ability, or the option -- but the inevitability of death. And that's okay. You had a glimpse at what you saw was wrong, and let me just tell you... it's all wrong. All of it. You can't even put your finger on it because if you do, you're wrong!

You see, the dynamic of this thing we call life, or experience, doesn't begin with duality (as Christians reciprocate in Genesis), or even in unity. Experience begins... well, with lack thereof. Void -- formlessness. Absolution in its most perfect form. When we experience ego death, we are dissolved by this fact, and become 'united' with all of consciousness, or 'God'. God does not speak, or even think. God is. That's all there is. If it ain't nothing, it's something! Hahah. Thence begins duality (the question of is, or isn't).

Let me put it this way... if God has a name, a face. A detail! A description! It's not god. It's an 'entity' or 'ego-god'. The extra-dimensional manifestation of god -- broken down and reduced into a limited but nevertheless multidimensional frequency. It might be of a higher conscious matrix than ours (as above, so below, spheres within spheres, etc.), a higher or lower level of reality than ours (comparison of sub-atomic physics, or quantum physics, to relative physics which deal with atomic mass and gravity), but it only is what it is. The ego-god. It would be like saying your best friend Jesus of Nazareth IS God (OHWAIT), when in fact he would have personally shrank from that title, because that would mean assuming a title or lord-ship (the Ba'al god complex), when he knew he was only a son of god residing within the heart of the universal consciousness (Christ consciousness, the Buddhic state, the extra-dimensional being). Anything other than source, is just an illusion within its magnificence, and something to be looked at so that you can attribute value to it. You can't put your finger on the source of all things because there is no capacity to see outside of it. Whatever you manifest is only an illusion that is projected from your current perspective within the universal consciousness. Basically, everyone here is right! They all have their own opinion, their own perception of reality, but only God truly knows that everything around him is bullshit. It's not there. He is the only thing that truly 'is' around US, and if it isn't a pure expression of that consciousness, there really is nothing else around it. If heaven could be described as reaching unity with the isth'nus -- hell would be the entrapment in  an interpretation of his holy frequency (a dimension), no matter how nice you might think it is for a time, it's still the ego! It's like having one picture in your head, or one identity, for all eternity. I mean, it might not seem like hell, this life isn't so bad, right? That's why the Church started calling it Purgatory. Re-experience. REINCARNATION. A series of 'second' chances to comprehend your energetic frequencies, and their respective place within the one frequency, or 'OM'. That place within the consciousness is the ego, and when you dissolve it, your place is understood.

I didn't put down all I have to say, but I hope this helps you, and maybe caused others to question even more of what they 'think' they know. That you know you know nothing about god, except your place within him and that it is good, is enough to be more than all the grains of sand on all the world's beaches and deserts!.:wink:




This is an excellent post. This is how it is.
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I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.





Not sure what you are thinking that the Bible says to stay away from?




Sorry, that was very vague. I meant pursuing things such as ego death. This spiritual stuff. And all these other things that I can't even begin to explain or list. Going to different dimensions and (supposedly) talking to spirits. Stuff like that, that I've been hearing some people say they do.




As a Christian, all you need to worry about is loving God. All your life, you should give thanks to God for all he has given to you and all your actions should be aimed to glorify Him through love. Then you will have joy in your heart, no matter what happens

You do not need to worry about ego death or talking spirits or other dimensions or anything of that nature. Simply develop every virtue, avoid all sin and vice as best you can and love your neighbor as yourself. If you make a mistake, humbly ask God to forgive you, through Jesus Christ your redeemer.

If you are struggling to live this way, God has given you many tools to help you. Study his word, the Bible, (and also the lives of the saints) which will teach you the need for righteousness and personal holiness. It will teach you to stop seeking after pleasures of the flesh which never satisfy us for long but instead to abide in the love of Jesus, which satisfies eternally. Learn to pray. Prayer is your weapon against the devil and his snares. The Holy Spirit will teach you to commune with God in prayer. Have faith, go to church and worship with other people who love God and fill your life with joyful things. Use the gifts that the Lord gave to you, but always use them for the benefit of yourself and others, in ways that glorify God. Do not use them for evil.

If you do these things, you don't have a thing to worry about. God will take care of everything. Yes, you will need to give up your ego and go through a spiritual death and rebirth process like other people are saying, but you don't need to seek after that experience specifically. It will happen when the time is right, if you remain faithful to God. Similarly, you will also learn about spirits and encounter them and possibly even other dimensions, but you needn't worry about these things either. Your job is to seek after God, that's it. All else will be taken care of by Him, if you simply act as his faithful servant.

If you really believe in the Bible, then it sounds to me like you have the gift of faith. If you have this gift, you are very blessed and hopefully what I said above resonates with you. Faith in God is more precious than all the riches of the earth. The only thing better than faith, is love.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #18802258 - 09/05/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Ask yourself this, if I was born in Iran or India  or Tibet would I believe in the Christian version of things or instead whatever was the cultural religion of choice where I was born?

You definitely saw through some shit imo. Now turn that gaze on your current cultural beliefs.




Its not really possible to know what one would believe were they born somewhere else. I want to put forward the idea though, that this is not so important.

Lets say I am Christian being faced with the question, if I was born in Tibet would I be Buddhist? Well, its certainly quite likely. But so what? To me, thats no different from saying if I was born in Russia I would most likely be speaking Russian instead of English, or if I was born anywhere other than the USA, I would most likely be using the metric system.

But why does that matter? Yeah, the english system or measurement might not be as intelligent as the metric system, but when you grow up with it, you end up feeling more comfortable with miles than kilometers.

Christianity and Buddhism can both be thought of as languages or thought systems for communicating about spiritual things. Does it really matter whether being born somewhere else would have you using a different language?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Deviate]
    #18802287 - 09/05/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What it means is that usually or always our beliefs are programmed into us by our culture. And all these so called spiritual belief systems don't adhere to the same beliefs.  One reason there is so much religion based warfare in the world.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #18802311 - 09/05/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What it means is that usually or always our beliefs are programmed into us by our culture. And all these so called spiritual belief systems don't adhere to the same beliefs.  One reason there is so much religion based warfare in the world.




You have made three separate statements in this post and I am not sure how they relate.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Deviate]
    #18802332 - 09/05/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Work on it. It seems pretty obvious to me. :shrug:


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #18803525 - 09/05/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He's basically asking you if you're not just Christian due to being in a Christian civilization?Basically saying the 99% are sheeple who only do what's popular at the time and has been like this since the dawning of man. If it's popular to force others your religion and start wars killing millions then everyone is all for it.

Why believe in anything?
Religion - to listen to someone else's ideas
Spirituality - to listen to your own ideas.

Why define yourself by religion but rather as yourself? A spiritual person going down the path of insanity. You're not going anywhere but you can perceive, create, and even question. Is it not just insanity to experience yourself experience and even question what you experience?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Mad Season]
    #18803572 - 09/05/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

All good questions.:thumbup:  When you see how your culture has informed you, you get to ask these kinds of questions.


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    #18803966 - 09/05/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Am I the only one who caught the age-related ninja-edit in the OP? :lol:

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Whatever eve, some truths takes years if not decades if they are even ever figured out.




IMO one of the biggest mistakes a seeker can make is assume that they've figured out the Truth.  All I've got are my best guesses and beliefs, and they can change at any time as the evidence I observe and reason about changes.  Certainty is a trap.





When you have found you are a founder, if not so certain then maybe a seller of sacred not so secrets, always a favorite of buskers, and priests, who must rely on goodwill of others. Your religion must be popular, social graces and a good beheading one night....


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18805808 - 09/05/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Some of your experience reminds me of Ram Dass' (AKA Dr. Richard Alpert) experience on Psilocybin at the beginning of his spiritual journey. At age 18, you may not be familiar with the book REMEMBER: BE HERE NOW. I've used, and given away many copies since 1973, so I'm very familiar with it. It will not answer your questions about Jesus Christ or the Bible specifically, because the book was written with a Hindu orientation wherein Jesus is valued as a saint or as a Self-Realized being, an avatar of God, but not the ONLY avatar of God. That is a uniquely Christian claim. Islam regards Jesus as one of God's prophets, but not THE Prophet, Muhammed. So there are many different takes on Jesus, from within Christendom and from without. Certainly you cannot go wrong adopting the ethics of Jesus, and trying to realize (make real) a 'Post-Conventional Moral Development' ( Lawrence Kohlberg). The Bible depicts Jesus as a unique specie of being, but that is the Christian mythos. One need not buy into Greek mythology to live up to the moral imperative of Jesus, or to adopt the mode of faith in addition to reason (but not in place of reason). The Bible is essentially a mythic, metaphoric, midrashic, and mystical enterprise. It speaks to the 'whys' of life, not the 'hows,' which is the province of science (scientia: knowledge). Sainthood is a condition that does not require a certificate from a church body. The early Christians who lived governed by love and compassion are referred to as saints by Paul of Tarsus, a penitant man who had participated in the murder of one saint - Stephen. Paul held the coats of men who stoned Stephen to death (if you don't know the story), which is why the song Saint Stephen, and the character, is big among Grateful Dead heads (tongue-in-cheek, being 'stoned' to death). Not funny as a means of death. :tongue:

Next time you're in a bookstore, ask for or find a BE HERE NOW, and read the first of three sections about Dick Alpert's anxiety-ridden out-of-body experience. I think you'd appreciate the experiences of a spiritual pioneer whose earliest world-shaking encounters with the Mystery have comforted and encouraged many of us who set out to discover what is really Real about God, and  ways of discovering such Knowledge (Gnosis). :peace:



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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Mad Season]
    #18806341 - 09/06/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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He's basically asking you if you're not just Christian due to being in a Christian civilization?




Of course I am a Christian due to being in a Christian civilization. To me that is not a sensible question because the answer is so obvious. Its like asking a Roman, do you think you see the world like a Roman because you were raised in Rome?

Culture always influences viewpoint. I see Christianity as the spiritual wisdom handed down from my ancestors. Could it be in another form? Yes, but the wrapping isnt important. Its what inside that is important. Whats inside is this: Christianity tells us to develop our virtues rather than seeking to feed our vices. Then it provides us with some tools, techniques and rituals for accomplishing this. Thats where my focus lies.

Our culture provides the framework for how we see the world. This is the case regardless of what philosophical belief system you adhere to. Science is a cultural phenomenon also for example. Many of our scientific studies that cost thousands of dollars to do, would be considered ludracrous wastes of time by other cultures. New study finds link between this and that
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Basically saying the 99% are sheeple who only do what's popular at the time and has been like this since the dawning of man. If it's popular to force others your religion and start wars killing millions then everyone is all for it.




yes people only do what is popular. I see this as the purpose of Christianity. If you read the Bible , it tells you over and over do not do what is popular, do what is right. Before I became a Christian, I only did what was popular also, in the sense that I lived for my own gain.

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Why believe in anything?




Is it possible not to? if so, how is that done?  Even if you believe there is no reason to believe anything that itself is a belief. No matter what you do, you end up believing something.

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Religion - to listen to someone else's ideas
Spirituality - to listen to your own ideas.






I dont agree with this. I did not progress spiritually until I stopped listening to my own stupid ideas and accepted that there was a power greatehr than my intellect.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18806351 - 09/06/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Some of your experience reminds me of Ram Dass' (AKA Dr. Richard Alpert) experience on Psilocybin at the beginning of his spiritual journey. At age 18, you may not be familiar with the book REMEMBER: BE HERE NOW. I've used, and given away many copies since 1973, so I'm very familiar with it. It will not answer your questions about Jesus Christ or the Bible specifically, because the book was written with a Hindu orientation wherein Jesus is valued as a saint or as a Self-Realized being, an avatar of God, but not the ONLY avatar of God. That is a uniquely Christian claim. Islam regards Jesus as one of God's prophets, but not THE Prophet, Muhammed. So there are many different takes on Jesus, from within Christendom and from without. Certainly you cannot go wrong adopting the ethics of Jesus, and trying to realize (make real) a 'Post-Conventional Moral Development' ( Lawrence Kohlberg). The Bible depicts Jesus as a unique specie of being, but that is the Christian mythos. One need not buy into Greek mythology to live up to the moral imperative of Jesus, or to adopt the mode of faith in addition to reason (but not in place of reason). The Bible is essentially a mythic, metaphoric, midrashic, and mystical enterprise. It speaks to the 'whys' of life, not the 'hows,' which is the province of science (scientia: knowledge). Sainthood is a condition that does not require a certificate from a church body. The early Christians who lived governed by love and compassion are referred to as saints by Paul of Tarsus, a penitant man who had participated in the murder of one saint - Stephen. Paul held the coats of men who stoned Stephen to death (if you don't know the story), which is why the song Saint Stephen, and the character, is big among Grateful Dead heads (tongue-in-cheek, being 'stoned' to death). Not funny as a means of death. :tongue:

Next time you're in a bookstore, ask for or find a BE HERE NOW, and read the first of three sections about Dick Alpert's anxiety-ridden out-of-body experience. I think you'd appreciate the experiences of a spiritual pioneer whose earliest world-shaking encounters with the Mystery have comforted and encouraged many of us who set out to discover what is really Real about God, and  ways of discovering such Knowledge (Gnosis). :peace:






Yes, definitely read that book. I was also reminded of ram dass when ir ead your experience.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Deviate]
    #18806353 - 09/06/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)


I did not progress spiritually until I stopped listening to my own stupid ideas and accepted that there was a power greatehr than my intellect.


Well maybe that's true for you but I don't consider my ideas stupid. In fact they have served me well for the most part.  Once I began to do some thinking for myself and trust it above what others told me I should think or what was true or right, only then did I make some progress in making a life I could live with.  Your milage may vary, some may need others to do the thinking for them. 


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: deCypher]
    #18808449 - 09/06/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The Bible is Gods word and perfect. Your experience while interesting and valid......was just that...an experience. Why is your brother so enlightened? I knew this one girl who I swore was enlightened and had some level of holiness. Turned out she was on cymbalta and cheats on her husband. :rolleyes:

All these kids here say the same old song and dance. Christianity is bullshit....nothing but mental masturbation for the weak....etc. etc.

The Bible is Gods perfect law and you will learn this in this life.....or the next. Pretty easy for a bunch of sheltered scrubs to criticize the bible or cowardly mock God and his people behind a thousand dollar PC. In the safety of a first world country :snowman: :failboat:


Its not a matter of either your experience is right or if God is right. Actually READ the bible instead of asking a bunch of spoiled sheltered drug addict in a drug forum (most of whom rebel against God and his law)


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    #18808626 - 09/06/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i just find it ironic and hilarious that a thread entitled "i'm sick and tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death" is only two posts below this.

and that's a really good thread by the way. lots of good perspectives on the whole concept.

"ego death" is more coming face to face with the illusions you've created about yourself more than anything else. nothing dies, you just, for a brief moment realize that your entire conception of yourself is not as rigidly defined as you thought it was.

in other words, you are MORE THAN YOU THINK YOU ARE! small minded fool! :grin:


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    #18808629 - 09/06/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Question. How would you actually go forward in life accepting there's a power greater than your intellect? Maybe what i meant to say is there is nothing to believe in. Not even yourself. If you want to believe in god go for it but why not lizards? WHY Christianity? Are you sure there's 1 god? Are you sure god wrote the bible? You can listen to ancestors but why JUST Christians? There's so much from Greek literature. There's so much from Buddhist literature. There's so much on the shroomery. You aren't bound to a religion but you are bound to yourself. Basically we all inherently love so why say you're anything but yourself. Everything they preach in any religion including Christianity can be learned through life experience. Why not live your life as god intended rather than being bound to a book?


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    #18808647 - 09/06/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Question. How would you actually go forward in life accepting there's a power greater than your intellect? Maybe what i meant to say is there is nothing to believe in. Not even yourself. If you want to believe in god go for it but why not lizards? WHY Christianity? Are you sure there's 1 god? Are you sure god wrote the bible? You can listen to ancestors but why JUST Christians? There's so much from Greek literature. There's so much from Buddhist literature. There's so much on the shroomery. You aren't bound to a religion but you are bound to yourself. Basically we all inherently love so why say you're anything but yourself. Everything they preach in any religion including Christianity can be learned through life experience. Why not live your life as god intended rather than being bound to a book?




Because that BOOK rejects some of the "lets all just accept anything and everything" ideas you are preaching :shrug:


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    #18808662 - 09/06/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Question. How would you actually go forward in life accepting there's a power greater than your intellect? Maybe what i meant to say is there is nothing to believe in. Not even yourself. If you want to believe in god go for it but why not lizards? WHY Christianity? Are you sure there's 1 god? Are you sure god wrote the bible? You can listen to ancestors but why JUST Christians? There's so much from Greek literature. There's so much from Buddhist literature. There's so much on the shroomery. You aren't bound to a religion but you are bound to yourself. Basically we all inherently love so why say you're anything but yourself. Everything they preach in any religion including Christianity can be learned through life experience. Why not live your life as god intended rather than being bound to a book?




GOD IS AN ALIEN DOOD. haven't you ever watched ancient aliens? THEY SEEDED US ALL!!!!!!!

i think all religious books should come with a disclaimer...something like "Warning: ideas contained within this book are not meant to be taken literally. Use the verses to inspire, use the verses to reflect...but by all means, don't kill anyone over it! Especially yourself"

that's all they had to do...put that ONE little fucking disclaimer in there and the world would be a better place lol.


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    #18809195 - 09/06/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol well in my experience I went forward accepting idk shit and that anything anyone says to me is all a theory. Anything I say to anyone is a theory and the only real truth is the moment. If you can't live in the moment or strive for it. There's really nothing else to live for. Also just because I'm all for anything and everything means I'm also all for freedoms.

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    #18809236 - 09/06/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lol well in my experience I went forward accepting idk shit and that anything anyone says to me is all a theory. Anything I say to anyone is a theory and the only real truth is the moment. If you can't live in the moment or strive for it. There's really nothing else to live for. Also just because I'm all for anything and everything means I'm also all for freedoms.

Freedom. I don't tell you what to do and you don't tell me what to do.




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i think all religious books should come with a disclaimer...something like "Warning: ideas contained within this book are not meant to be taken literally. Use the verses to inspire, use the verses to reflect...but by all means, don't kill anyone over it! Especially yourself"

that's all they had to do...put that ONE little fucking disclaimer in there and the world would be a better place lol.




Wow, you guys are making some really good/inspiring posts!

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I think this forum is beginning to supersede the philosophy forum in critical thinking and rational analysis at times. LMAO!


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    #18809282 - 09/06/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Actually, my belief is that "ego" death is what the writers of the Bible were aiming at.

"Since you have been brought to true life with Christ, you must look for the things that are in heaven, where Christ is, sitting at God's right hand. Let your thoughts be on heavenly things, not on the things that are on earth, because you have died, and now the life you have is hidden with Christ in God." -- Colossians, 3, 1

But what is the ego?

St. John, 1, 9: The true Light, that enlightens every person, was coming into the world. They were in the world, -- the world that existed through Them, and the world didn't recognize Them. They came to Their own folk, and Their own folk didn't accept Them. But to those who have accepted Them, They gave the right to become the Children of God, that is to those who believe in Their Name: who owe this birth of theirs to God and not to the flesh, or the impulses of the flesh, nor of the will of humans, but to God.

To me, the ego is dead when a person accepts the Name of God. And that Name is Entheogens. Then they are "born from God".

That is what, (I believe), Entheogens are leading to.




The problem with bible quotes is that the bible can literally be quoted to support any statement.

They are already open to a huge range of interpretations when they are in their context, even more so when they are ripped out of their context.




..."They came to Their own folk, and Their own folk didn't accept Them. "


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18809295 - 09/06/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That bring about a bitter-sweet feeling of sympathy (in the thyroid).



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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18809313 - 09/06/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



This is is a picture of the Serpent and the Tree of Knowledge (the Amanita Muscaria Mushroom) from the wall of a 13th century french abbey.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18809349 - 09/06/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How do you define a tree?

Tree's and mushrooms don't have many similarities, so which one of their similarities are used to define a tree?

What makes you think it is representing any tree, let alone the tree of knowledge?


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    #18809634 - 09/06/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That bring about a bitter-sweet feeling of sympathy (in the thyroid).




In the thyroid?

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How do you define a tree?

Tree's and mushrooms don't have many similarities, so which one of their similarities are used to define a tree?

What makes you think it is representing any tree, let alone the tree of knowledge?




Maybe the picture isn't clear enough -- it shows the Serpent coiled around the Amanita "tree" offering one of the red Mushrooms to Eve who is on one side of the Tree with Adam standing on the other side of the Tree.

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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18809654 - 09/06/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah,  the first point of the (but I think it could also be considered the second) functional channel of the energy body, it's where compassion and empathy stems from.

That looks like another mushroom to me, and it doesn't at all look like an Amanita to me, I have never seen multiple amanita growing from the the same stipe like that.

Also, there are bushes identified in the bible, and bushes/shrubs are under 10 ft. where as tree's are over 10 feet. (recall the burning bush?)

That mushroom is about the same size as a person.

What gives you the idea it is referencing any tree, let alone the tree of life? Did someone tell you that and you believed them? Also where is the reference in the picture to Satan, or the forbidden fruit?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18809737 - 09/06/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



This is what Wasson said about it in "Soma, the Divine Mushroom of Immortality", which is where I got the picture.

"At the session of the Societe Mycologique de France held on October 6, 1910, there was presented to the attendance a photograph of a Romanesque fresco from a disaffected chapel that had belonged to the Abbaye de Plaincourault in the center of France. It was later the subject of a note published on pp.31-33, Vol. XXVII, of the Bulletin of the Societe. The fresco, crude and faded, is of the familiar temptation scene in the Garden of Eden. The gentlemen who presented the fresco to the Societe Mycologique made the sensational statement that instead of the customary Tree, the artist had given us the fly-agaric. A serpent was entwined around a gigantic fly-agaric and was engaged in a colloquy with Eve.
[...] The chapel bears the date  1291 and the fresco must come down from that time or thereabouts....
    The mycologists would have done well to consult art historians. Here is an extract from a letter that Erwin Panofsky wrote me in 1952:
    "...the plant in the fresco has nothing whatever to do with mushrooms...and the similarity with Amanita muscaria is purely fortuitous. The Plaincourault fresco is only one example--and, since the style is provincial, a particularly deceptive one--of a conventionalized tree type, prevalent in Romanesque and early Gothic art, which art historians actually refer to as a 'mushroom tree' or in German, pilzbaum. It comes about by the gradual schematization of the impressionistically rendered Italian pine tree in Roman and Early Christian painting, and there are hundreds of instances exemplifying this development--unknown of course to mycologists..."
    Professor Panofsky gave expression to what I have found is the unanimous view of those competent in Romanesque art. For more than half a century the mycologists have refrained from consulting the art world on a matter relating to art. Art historians of course do not read books about mushrooms. Here is a good example of the failure of communications between disciplines."


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    #18809815 - 09/06/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The Bible is Gods word and perfect. Your experience while interesting and valid......was just that...an experience. Why is your brother so enlightened? I knew this one girl who I swore was enlightened and had some level of holiness. Turned out she was on cymbalta and cheats on her husband. :rolleyes:

All these kids here say the same old song and dance. Christianity is bullshit....nothing but mental masturbation for the weak....etc. etc.

The Bible is Gods perfect law and you will learn this in this life.....or the next. Pretty easy for a bunch of sheltered scrubs to criticize the bible or cowardly mock God and his people behind a thousand dollar PC. In the safety of a first world country :snowman: :failboat:





STOP right there. Hold up!
You call yourself a Christian and yet you call these people names and put them down? Is that what Chris would do? No.

I am looking for their opinion on the matter, as I thought the people on this website tend to be more open minded and non judgmental than the majority of Christians. An I sincerely appreciate it, as they have helped with my struggles. So if your one of those people and reading this, THANK YOU VERY MUCH and God bless you. :smile:

There is nothing wrong with me doing this.
I also had deep discussions with other spiritual leaders, as well as Reading my Bible and experiencing the Holy Spirit while doing so.

As we are brothers and sisters in Christ, I would encourage you not to call these people scrubs and put them down, but rather lovingly tell them why you believe what you believe in a loving way.

NOT ONLY are giving me as a Christian a bad reputation, but your giving Christ one too. So please, try a different approach.

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    #18809936 - 09/06/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The Bible is Gods word and perfect. Your experience while interesting and valid......was just that...an experience. Why is your brother so enlightened? I knew this one girl who I swore was enlightened and had some level of holiness. Turned out she was on cymbalta and cheats on her husband. :rolleyes:

All these kids here say the same old song and dance. Christianity is bullshit....nothing but mental masturbation for the weak....etc. etc.

The Bible is Gods perfect law and you will learn this in this life.....or the next. Pretty easy for a bunch of sheltered scrubs to criticize the bible or cowardly mock God and his people behind a thousand dollar PC. In the safety of a first world country :snowman: :failboat:


Its not a matter of either your experience is right or if God is right. Actually READ the bible instead of asking a bunch of spoiled sheltered drug addict in a drug forum (most of whom rebel against God and his law)



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STOP right there. Hold up!
If you call yourself a Christian, and i was under the impression you do, and yet you call these people names and put them down? Is that what Chris would do? No.

I am looking for their opinion on the matter, as I thought the people on this website tend to be more open minded and non judgmental than the majority of Christians (you are proving this theory to be correct). And I sincerely appreciate them, as they have helped with my struggles. So if your one of those people who commented and reading this, THANK YOU VERY MUCH and God bless you. (:

There is nothing wrong with me asking them?  I also had deep discussions with other spiritual leaders, as well as Reading my Bible and actually experiencing the Holy Spirit while doing so.

As we are brothers and sisters in Christ, I would encourage you not to call these people scrubs or drug addicts and put them down, but rather lovingly tell them why you believe what you believe in a loving way. As thats really all you can do.

NOT ONLY are giving me as a Christian a bad reputation, but your giving Christ one too. So please, try a different approach.

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    #18809958 - 09/06/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To everyone who questions the validity of the Bible, I'd just like to share another experience of mine. Now I've been searching for answers as you know, and I've been reading many things including the Bible. As I was reading the book of Hebrew, I know (100%) that i experienced the holy spirit. It was nothing i ever felt. Hard to describe. It was just a random great reassurance of what I was reading was real and true. As I was reading I had a deep understanding and a longing to read more. This sensation in my body.  Comfort. Joy. Clarity.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18809990 - 09/06/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What if you believe it is the holy spirit only because you read it before and was led to believe that?

Like when people teach about something, then that something happens, you might be inclined to believe that the something is what they said, even if it is something completely different.

You were conditioned to believe that the bliss was from the holy spirit, rather than it necessarily being the holy spirit.

A buddhist for example might think it was a taste of enlightenment, or a Hindu might think it is ananda.

So who would be right?

Does it provide actual evidence, or were you conditioned previously to believe it?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18809994 - 09/06/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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"At the session of the Societe Mycologique de France held on October 6, 1910, there was presented to the attendance a photograph of a Romanesque fresco from a disaffected chapel that had belonged to the Abbaye de Plaincourault in the center of France. It was later the subject of a note published on pp.31-33, Vol. XXVII, of the Bulletin of the Societe. The fresco, crude and faded, is of the familiar temptation scene in the Garden of Eden. The gentlemen who presented the fresco to the Societe Mycologique made the sensational statement that instead of the customary Tree, the artist had given us the fly-agaric. A serpent was entwined around a gigantic fly-agaric and was engaged in a colloquy with Eve.
[...] The chapel bears the date  1291 and the fresco must come down from that time or thereabouts....
    The mycologists would have done well to consult art historians. Here is an extract from a letter that Erwin Panofsky wrote me in 1952:
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    Professor Panofsky gave expression to what I have found is the unanimous view of those competent in Romanesque art. For more than half a century the mycologists have refrained from consulting the art world on a matter relating to art. Art historians of course do not read books about mushrooms. Here is a good example of the failure of communications between disciplines."





So are you personally choosing to believe it?

(I'm not tbh, seems like some B.S. to get attention.)

What do you (personally without the ad-lib of others belief) see in the picture?


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    #18810046 - 09/07/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The Bible is Gods word and perfect. Your experience while interesting and valid......was just that...an experience. Why is your brother so enlightened? I knew this one girl who I swore was enlightened and had some level of holiness. Turned out she was on cymbalta and cheats on her husband. :rolleyes:

All these kids here say the same old song and dance. Christianity is bullshit....nothing but mental masturbation for the weak....etc. etc.

The Bible is Gods perfect law and you will learn this in this life.....or the next. Pretty easy for a bunch of sheltered scrubs to criticize the bible or cowardly mock God and his people behind a thousand dollar PC. In the safety of a first world country :snowman: :failboat:


Its not a matter of either your experience is right or if God is right. Actually READ the bible instead of asking a bunch of spoiled sheltered drug addict in a drug forum (most of whom rebel against God and his law)



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STOP right there. Hold up!
If you call yourself a Christian, and i was under the impression you do, and yet you call these people names and put them down? Is that what Chris would do? No.

I am looking for their opinion on the matter, as I thought the people on this website tend to be more open minded and non judgmental than the majority of Christians (you are proving this theory to be correct). And I sincerely appreciate them, as they have helped with my struggles. So if your one of those people who commented and reading this, THANK YOU VERY MUCH and God bless you. (:

There is nothing wrong with me asking them?  I also had deep discussions with other spiritual leaders, as well as Reading my Bible and actually experiencing the Holy Spirit while doing so.

As we are brothers and sisters in Christ, I would encourage you not to call these people scrubs or drug addicts and put them down, but rather lovingly tell them why you believe what you believe in a loving way. As thats really all you can do.

NOT ONLY are giving me as a Christian a bad reputation, but your giving Christ one too. So please, try a different approach.

Thanks, and much love. - Hannah. <3 :smile:




Stick around, you have no idea what you are talking about. I will indeed put some of these people and their ideologies down because I promise you, many are the first to cast a spear out my faith and Christians in general. Look at the posts from the first page for Christs sake. Im all for love and what not, but dont think that you or me are above stating our opinions in a sea full of kidiots who have nothing better to do than read New age crap from the bookstore, and put down Christianity because they have issues with their parents.

:commonsense: welcome to the forum


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    #18810496 - 09/07/13 04:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What a dick. I think you shoild stop forcing beliefs and putting people down for living by logic. The only logical statement is to believe that we have lack of evidence to believe in anything


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18810880 - 09/07/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What if you believe it is the holy spirit only because you read it before and was led to believe that?

Like when people teach about something, then that something happens, you might be inclined to believe that the something is what they said, even if it is something completely different.

You were conditioned to believe that the bliss was from the holy spirit, rather than it necessarily being the holy spirit.

A buddhist for example might think it was a taste of enlightenment, or a Hindu might think it is ananda.

So who would be right?

Does it provide actual evidence, or were you conditioned previously to believe it?




Honestly, I see where your coming from one hundred percent.
But the thing is, this "feeling" the holy spirit(idk how to describe it really..) is the thing that makes me believe it was the holy spirit. Part of he trinity.

But here are some things that might help me show you some other reasons you might find more believable or valid.

-I was reading the Bible, not some other book when this happened first of all. Now if i was to get enlightened and it wasn't the holy spirit, why would it happen when I'm reading the Bible if it wasn't true?

Also, the circumstance I was in... I had really been struggling about what is TRUTH. I NEED to know truth. I was beginning to think Christianity was wrong, maybe even taboo. If God is so wonderful, why does He feel so distant? Why does it seem as if He's keeping Himself hidden? Maybe Buddhists are right?  I had so many doubts.  I had been a christian since a young age because thats what my mother and school taught me, but it has never been real to me until now.

Lastly, the passages I was reading. They were about not losing faith and now believing false teachings and other things that i REALLY really needed to hear.




In conclusion, I suggest, no matter what your faith or belief is, you should read the Bible with an open mind. You might find out some things or experience something you didn't think you would. I suggest reading the book of Hebrews at some point.

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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18810994 - 09/07/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What a dick. I think you shoild stop forcing beliefs and putting people down for living by logic. The only logical statement is to believe that we have lack of evidence to believe in anything



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What if you believe it is the holy spirit only because you read it before and was led to believe that?

Like when people teach about something, then that something happens, you might be inclined to believe that the something is what they said, even if it is something completely different.

You were conditioned to believe that the bliss was from the holy spirit, rather than it necessarily being the holy spirit.

A buddhist for example might think it was a taste of enlightenment, or a Hindu might think it is ananda.

So who would be right?

Does it provide actual evidence, or were you conditioned previously to believe it?




Honestly, I see where your coming from one hundred percent.
But the thing is, this "feeling" the holy spirit(idk how to describe it really..) is the thing that makes me believe it was the holy spirit. Part of he trinity.

But here are some things that might help me show you some other reasons you might find more believable or valid.

-I was reading the Bible, not some other book when this happened first of all. Now if i was to get enlightened and it wasn't the holy spirit, why would it happen when I'm reading the Bible if it wasn't true?

Also, the circumstance I was in... I had really been struggling about what is TRUTH. I NEED to know truth. I was beginning to think Christianity was wrong, maybe even taboo. If God is so wonderful, why does He feel so distant? Why does it seem as if He's keeping Himself hidden? Maybe Buddhists are right?  I had so many doubts.  I had been a christian since a young age because thats what my mother and school taught me, but it has never been real to me until now.

Lastly, the passages I was reading. They were about not losing faith and now believing false teachings and other things that i REALLY really needed to hear.




In conclusion, I suggest, no matter what your faith or belief is, you should read the Bible with an open mind. You might find out some things or experience something you didn't think you would. I suggest reading the book of Hebrews at some point.

(:




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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18811444 - 09/07/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What if you believe it is the holy spirit only because you read it before and was led to believe that?

Like when people teach about something, then that something happens, you might be inclined to believe that the something is what they said, even if it is something completely different.

You were conditioned to believe that the bliss was from the holy spirit, rather than it necessarily being the holy spirit.

A buddhist for example might think it was a taste of enlightenment, or a Hindu might think it is ananda.

So who would be right?

Does it provide actual evidence, or were you conditioned previously to believe it?




Honestly, I see where your coming from one hundred percent.
But the thing is, this "feeling" the holy spirit(idk how to describe it really..) is the thing that makes me believe it was the holy spirit. Part of he trinity.

But here are some things that might help me show you some other reasons you might find more believable or valid.

-I was reading the Bible, not some other book when this happened first of all. Now if i was to get enlightened and it wasn't the holy spirit, why would it happen when I'm reading the Bible if it wasn't true?

Also, the circumstance I was in... I had really been struggling about what is TRUTH. I NEED to know truth. I was beginning to think Christianity was wrong, maybe even taboo. If God is so wonderful, why does He feel so distant? Why does it seem as if He's keeping Himself hidden? Maybe Buddhists are right?  I had so many doubts.  I had been a christian since a young age because thats what my mother and school taught me, but it has never been real to me until now.

Lastly, the passages I was reading. They were about not losing faith and now believing false teachings and other things that i REALLY really needed to hear.




In conclusion, I suggest, no matter what your faith or belief is, you should read the Bible with an open mind. You might find out some things or experience something you didn't think you would. I suggest reading the book of Hebrews at some point.

(:




I would like to share with you a story from the Lost Book of Jaina. This book has been seen by very few people, and even fewer are those with the privilege to read it. It was excluded from the bible when it was put together, because the men in power felt that women were to be subservient and they wanted to hide it away, to protect their beliefs that women were to be inferior and subservient to men. By hiding this book, they robbed the women of their power, and remained in control of the church. I have to recite this from memory because the book is put away in a safe place under lock and key.

Two millennia from the date this book is written, there is to be born a woman, so firm in her faith, that heaven and earth will open up for her. The devil will tempt her and try to persuade her to change her ways by questioning her faith, much like he did to Jesus. She will resist Satan because the armor of god that she dawns is impenetrable by evil, and when God see's her unwavering faith, determination, will and courage to follow in the path of Jesus, he will come and take her, like  Enoch and Elijah she will go to heaven without ever dying, to be one of god's supreme angels.

The Supreme Angel, instructed by god come back to earth and begins to banish the evil, for in her light no evil can hold sway, it is through her power alone that can save the earth and its inhabitants from evil. She spends years banaishing all the evil on this earth and then is instructed back to heaven as the way has been prepared for god.

Then she will come back to earth and trumpet the final coming of god in her infinite grace, we will all be blessed. All the good souls of earth will be collected by god and his supreme angels to be taken to heaven and live happily ever after.

(It is really a much longer story and goes into the battles and details about how the devil tried to change the woman's mind, but the summary above tells the basic idea and I can't tell you all the details because of a promise that was made.)




What if it was you doing it all along, and god is within you, as pure love?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18811597 - 09/07/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah,  the first point of the (but I think it could also be considered the second) functional channel of the energy body, it's where compassion and empathy stems from.

That looks like another mushroom to me, and it doesn't at all look like an Amanita to me, I have never seen multiple amanita growing from the the same stipe like that.

Also, there are bushes identified in the bible, and bushes/shrubs are under 10 ft. where as tree's are over 10 feet. (recall the burning bush?)

That mushroom is about the same size as a person.

What gives you the idea it is referencing any tree, let alone the tree of life? Did someone tell you that and you believed them? Also where is the reference in the picture to Satan, or the forbidden fruit?




This fresco depicts the "shining one" with a spherical fruit in its mouth, on a dotted mushroom, most likely the depiction of Amanita muscaria, which has long been associated with altered states of consciousness. Other Christian archeological finds indicate that early Christians did use A. muscaria in their rituals, first feeding them to snails to detoxify them, then eating the snails.  http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm
The very same Genesis account can be read completely differently, from the perspective of the "shining one" whom we have come to translate 'serpent' in English. The serpent stole the 'herb of immortality' in the Gilgamesh Epic from which elements of Genesis were adapted. The Hebrew Leviathan, or serpent of primeval chaos (the "waters of the deep") is something of God's Shadow. In other words, God, which is beyond good and evil, has various faces. The serpent tells the woman Eve that she will NOT die if she eats "the fruit of knowledge of good and evil" and she does NOT die.

The Gnostics portray the 'wise' serpent as a liberating aspect of the True God, not the Demiurgic Deity (William Blake's old Nobodaddy) who has trapped some of his breath in the dust of our primal parents. The serpent (portrayed as a crucified serpent by some Gnostics, after the brazen serpent that Moses held up to cure the heavy-metal poisoned Hebrews after they were made to drink a potion from the golden calf), gives liberating knowledge (Gnosis), and is not the deceiver. The Demiurgic Creator is seen as the enemy who trapped Spirit in matter (Adam means earth in Hebrew), and the serpent symbolizes wisdom ("Be ye therefore as wise as serpents and harmless as doves." - Matthew 10:16), not evil. Symbols are never fixed meanings, their values depend upon context, and only one context has been repeated in mainstream Christianity. Jews have never believed in inherited evil and radical depravity as the Augustinian doctrine of Original Sin insists.

There is no mention of God's angels Satan or Lucifer in Genesis. "The shining one" was correlated with the Greek Phosphorus, or the Latin Lucifer, both of which mean 'light-bearer.' You are repeating Christian programming, not the actual scriptures which have been variously interpreted:  "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made
. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" - Genesis 3:1. The banishment from the Garden (garden, PRDS, in Hebrew, from which we get 'paradise,' a metaphor for blissful unconsciousness) resulted in work and sweat and travail in childbirth, but death was not one of those promised consequences despite the Christian insistence that death was the result of eating "the fruit." Knowledge was the result of eating "the fruit," the knowledge, unlike the rest of the animals, of our mortality! Now, we knew we had to die, and we had to contend with death-anxiety. But had we not begun to develop self-consciousness (which is what the psychological meaning of banishment from the Garden, from perpetual childhood and unconsciousness), we would not have begun to evolve. Anxiety is the correlate of self-consciousness, of separateness. The goal is NOT to return to some Garden, to childish unconscious bliss. The Garden of Eden is an intrauterine metaphor, from which we must be expelled forcibly, as in our birth.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18811644 - 09/07/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You are repeating Christian programming, not the actual scriptures which have been variously interpreted





I'd like to see how you back that claim up . . .

I'm not nor was I repeating anything, I was questioning the posters claim.

(Also various interpretations leaves room for the Christian claim, doesn't it.)

I think that you should be well aware that I don't subscribe to dogma.

You can't tell someone that their perspective is wrong and then say you are keeping an open mind or can you relate to them truly.

(imo)


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18811649 - 09/07/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I was beginning to think Christianity was wrong, maybe even taboo. If God is so wonderful, why does He feel so distant? Why does it seem as if He's keeping Himself hidden? Maybe Buddhists are right?  I had so many doubts.  I had been a christian since a young age because thats what my mother and school taught me, but it has never been real to me until now.




Because there are definite things wrong with the system.
Perhaps the 'experience' that you consider God is the right food stuff or sacrament away.
Maybe that's why he is hidden.  Along comes a snake and the Gods/men said no to illumination/enlightenment.
Doubts are normal.
So after the 17 marijuanas you know christianity in a new way?  Its true for you now?  That's good news.

You should petition the gov't and proclaim that it is an authentic spiritual agent.  Even concerning x-tianity.


People knock christianity because it wasn't there for them.  They lack real experience.  The Truth is Aliens.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18811708 - 09/07/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The Bible is Gods word and perfect.




So, how do you explain "Thou shalt not kill" in the same book that says "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, β€œLet us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
-- Deuteronomy, 13, 6

The Bible is very imperfect. It has been rewritten and totally edited over the centuries. That is why St. Paul said, We would have been justified by the Law if the Law we were given had been capable of giving life,  but it is not: scripture makes no exceptions when it says that sin is master everywhere -- Galatians, 3, 21

It is my belief that it was the scriptures that Christ was referring to when he gave the parable about the evil one sowing weeds in the field over the night and he said to "separate the wheat from the chaff".


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18811727 - 09/07/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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endogenous said:
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Almond Flour said:
The Bible is Gods word and perfect.




So, how do you explain "Thou shalt not kill" in the same book that says "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, β€œLet us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
-- Deuteronomy, 13, 6

The Bible is very imperfect. It has been rewritten and totally edited over the centuries. That is why St. Paul said, We would have been justified by the Law if the Law we were given had been capable of giving life,  but it is not: scripture makes no exceptions when it says that sin is master everywhere -- Galatians, 3, 21

It is my belief that it was the scriptures that Christ was referring to when he gave the parable about the evil one sowing weeds in the field over the night and he said to "separate the wheat from the chaff".




Deuteronomy 21:18-21

β€œIf a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, β€˜This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.β€œ


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18811946 - 09/07/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:
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endogenous said:
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Almond Flour said:
The Bible is Gods word and perfect.




So, how do you explain "Thou shalt not kill" in the same book that says "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, β€œLet us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
-- Deuteronomy, 13, 6

The Bible is very imperfect. It has been rewritten and totally edited over the centuries. That is why St. Paul said, We would have been justified by the Law if the Law we were given had been capable of giving life,  but it is not: scripture makes no exceptions when it says that sin is master everywhere -- Galatians, 3, 21

It is my belief that it was the scriptures that Christ was referring to when he gave the parable about the evil one sowing weeds in the field over the night and he said to "separate the wheat from the chaff".




Deuteronomy 21:18-21

β€œIf a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, β€˜This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.β€œ





Cute....you take a 1000+ page book and quote a couple of sentences within it to try and take away its credibility. I bet I could take a sentence from one of your 8000 posts and try to argue that you are a pedophile :rolleyes:


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18811956 - 09/07/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
The Bible is Gods word and perfect.




So, how do you explain "Thou shalt not kill" in the same book that says "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, β€œLet us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
-- Deuteronomy, 13, 6

The Bible is very imperfect. It has been rewritten and totally edited over the centuries. That is why St. Paul said, We would have been justified by the Law if the Law we were given had been capable of giving life,  but it is not: scripture makes no exceptions when it says that sin is master everywhere -- Galatians, 3, 21

It is my belief that it was the scriptures that Christ was referring to when he gave the parable about the evil one sowing weeds in the field over the night and he said to "separate the wheat from the chaff".





Of course the bible is imperfect.  Anyone honest will own that.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18811958 - 09/07/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cute....you take a 1000+ page book and quote a couple of sentences within it to try and take away its credibility. I bet I could take a sentence from one of your 8000 posts and try to argue that you are a pedophile :rolleyes:


First off you said it was perfect. :haha: And secondly he only provided a couple but there are more, lots more and a simple internet search will provide them.  You've not shown your statement to be true in the least.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18811999 - 09/07/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
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teknix said:
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endogenous said:
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Almond Flour said:
The Bible is Gods word and perfect.




So, how do you explain "Thou shalt not kill" in the same book that says "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, β€œLet us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
-- Deuteronomy, 13, 6

The Bible is very imperfect. It has been rewritten and totally edited over the centuries. That is why St. Paul said, We would have been justified by the Law if the Law we were given had been capable of giving life,  but it is not: scripture makes no exceptions when it says that sin is master everywhere -- Galatians, 3, 21

It is my belief that it was the scriptures that Christ was referring to when he gave the parable about the evil one sowing weeds in the field over the night and he said to "separate the wheat from the chaff".




Deuteronomy 21:18-21

β€œIf a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, β€˜This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.β€œ





Cute....you take a 1000+ page book and quote a couple of sentences within it to try and take away its credibility. I bet I could take a sentence from one of your 8000 posts and try to argue that you are a pedophile :rolleyes:



You could TRY but we don't have to try to argue that the Bible tells people to murder.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Mad Season]
    #18812044 - 09/07/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Love yourself,love others,love god, love all living creatures, love the planet, love nature :-)

and live in gods name

I would recommend houseplants,pets , and nature everyday(sit  in/walk in nature/gardening) , and guitar/something you love
no dark days, all days are good

btw it sounds like what is happening to you is an awakening, it is a first step in a long journey

the important thing is to ground yourself now, with nature/meditation/live in the moment, and be stress free , do what you love

peace


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18813322 - 09/07/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
Cute....you take a 1000+ page book and quote a couple of sentences within it to try and take away its credibility. I bet I could take a sentence from one of your 8000 posts and try to argue that you are a pedophile




Ok - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you seriously mean what you're saying.

Saying it's ok to kill someone is NOT just a "couple of sentences in a 1000 page book!!!! And it's not only saying it's ok to kill someone -- it's saying to kill them for following a different religion!!!

Do you think it's ok when "Muslims" kill someone for giving up "Islam"??? They justify this, and killing non-believers, because it's written in their literature which I'm sure is as voluminous as the Bible.

Perhaps you forgot about the Spanish Inquisition? Why do you suppose they thought it was ok to torture and kill people who they considered heathen if not because they could justify it in the Bible?

Sheesh.


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Edited by endogenous (09/07/13 10:44 PM)


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: lessismore]
    #18830871 - 09/12/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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mio said:
Love yourself,love others,love god, love all living creatures, love the planet, love nature :-)

and live in gods name

I would recommend houseplants,pets , and nature everyday(sit  in/walk in nature/gardening) , and guitar/something you love
no dark days, all days are good

btw it sounds like what is happening to you is an awakening, it is a first step in a long journey

the important thing is to ground yourself now, with nature/meditation/live in the moment, and be stress free , do what you love

peace


More stuff like this would be constructive to the OP.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18830888 - 09/12/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

true. It was a good post.


Edited by teknix (09/12/13 01:00 AM)


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