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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: deCypher]
    #18791924 - 09/02/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How could you be the only one?

:tongue:

(P.S. how can you be so certain it wasn't a typo?)


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: deCypher]
    #18791960 - 09/02/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Am I the only one who caught the age-related ninja-edit in the OP? :lol:

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teknix said:
Whatever eve, some truths takes years if not decades if they are even ever figured out.




IMO one of the biggest mistakes a seeker can make is assume that they've figured out the Truth.  All I've got are my best guesses and beliefs, and they can change at any time as the evidence I observe and reason about changes.  Certainty is a trap.




That's true from my experiences as well, which have manifested some pretty delusional thoughts, like when I discovered the inner-fire, the first thought that came into my mind was that I was being attacked by a fire spirit, lol . .

Then, after some research, I realized it was just more spiritual advancement and a part of internal alchemy.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18792007 - 09/02/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Heres a cool song that kinda describes the life of a seeker:



To just be . . . rather than trying to be "something".


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18792815 - 09/03/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This is from the literature of the Temple of the True Inner Light:

LSD, DMT, Psilocybin, DPT, Marijuana, Peyote, Morning Glories: these are the
-=(Names)=- of the true God – the true Flesh of God.
    The scriptures are where to find the definition of God - at least, it's where to find the definition of the God that Christ, Moses, Buddha, Mohammed, etc., worshiped.
    We are saying that the people who wrote the scriptures were calling Psychedelics "God" and that that is the true God.
    How does one find this definition?
    Through Experience and Reason.
    The Hindus have a God called "Soma". Hindus today believe that Soma was a plant. However, they no longer know the identity of which plant Soma was, and so, they understand that they are using a substitute for the original.
    The Vedas call Soma "the Creator of the Gods". Thus, Soma was what the Christians call "the Father".
    Most world religions had, or still have, a Communion ceremony. In the "Christian" Communion, they eat a wheat wafer, or drink wine and are then supposed to believe that these substances magically turn into the flesh and blood of God (Christ). They are then supposed to be able to see the "Light" and to receive the "Holy Spirit". When you ask them if they actually saw a real light or heard a real spirit they say "no".
    When a person communes with the true Flesh and Blood of Christ, they see a real Light and receive a real Holy Spirit.
    Does any "Christian" today think that the original Christians didn't see a real Light or receive a real Holy Spirit? Why then does no one today see these things?
    It is our understanding that today's "Christians" have not only lost the identity of the true Host, but they have lost the knowledge that the substance they are calling the "Host", is, in fact, a substitute.
    (Acts, 2, 1) When Pentecost day came around, they (the Apostles) had all met in one room, when suddenly they heard what sounded like a powerful wind from heaven, the noise of which filled the entire house in which they were sitting; and something appeared to them that seemed like tongues of fire; these separated and came to rest on the head of each of them. They were all filled with the Holy Spirit…
    Thus, through reason and experience one can see that the Psychedelic is the true Flesh of God. They are the true identity of Soma, the "Father".
    The (Mexican) Nahua word for Psilocybin, Teonanacatl, means β€œGod’s Flesh”.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18793016 - 09/03/13 02:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There has to be both visionary experience, which may include 'ego death' also known as 'ego transcendence', but there also has to be critical thinking on reintegration, and feeling

What do I mean by that? OK, in your wonderings about what happened you still seem caught up un the Christian mythology. You say your worried about 'God' and 'Satan' and 'Adam and Eve' and how you may have eaten the 'fruit' you weren't supposed to---which is the theme of the biblical 'Garden of Eden' tale, right?

So what I mean about critical thinking is that you would have to look deeper into where that story comes FROM. This kind of thing I began doing years ago. I was to find out that many of the myths we're brought up in are patriarchal.

That Adam and Eve story is one of the first recorded /writ down patriarchal myths which aims to DIVIDE and CONTROL. by this I mean that the whole myth is a downer on women, the Goddess, psychedelic inspiration, serpents, and feeling ecstatic interrelatedness with the land, with nature.

So do you see what I mean? enlightenment or whatever you wanna call it--learning--is ongoing and includes visionary experience and your own unique inquisitiveness to QUESTION what any given author-ity is telling you. No matter how big, and for how long the authority is or has been around. You have the freedom to question, and don't allow them, or their followers to say you haven't!


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: zzripz]
    #18793037 - 09/03/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like you had ego loss but the fact you were trying to fit in for your friends and still holding onto something means you didn't have ego death. If you did you'd feel yourself dying, everything evaporating and all you experience is "all" or pure and utter existence.

In fact Idk how anyone could experience ego death not by themselves. Too many distractions. There's a difference between intense anxiety and feeling your physical body die and the back of your head "pop" or have that weird burning feeling.

Basically I'd advise against aiming for ego death. You're going to experience your actual death and that's not something you should do at a party. Only go for it knowing you're going to have to let go of everything and there's no turning back.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: zzripz]
    #18793054 - 09/03/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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There has to be both visionary experience, which may include 'ego death' also known as 'ego transcendence', but there also has to be critical thinking on reintegration, and feeling

What do I mean by that? OK, in your wonderings about what happened you still seem caught up un the Christian mythology. You say your worried about 'God' and 'Satan' and 'Adam and Eve' and how you may have eaten the 'fruit' you weren't supposed to---which is the theme of the biblical 'Garden of Eden' tale, right?

So what I mean about critical thinking is that you would have to look deeper into where that story comes FROM. This kind of thing I began doing years ago. I was to find out that many of the myths we're brought up in are patriarchal.

That Adam and Eve story is one of the first recorded /writ down patriarchal myths which aims to DIVIDE and CONTROL. by this I mean that the whole myth is a downer on women, the Goddess, psychedelic inspiration, serpents, and feeling ecstatic interrelatedness with the land, with nature.

So do you see what I mean? enlightenment or whatever you wanna call it--learning--is ongoing and includes visionary experience and your own unique inquisitiveness to QUESTION what any given author-ity is telling you. No matter how big, and for how long the authority is or has been around. You have the freedom to question, and don't allow them, or their followers to say you haven't!




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Flood myth

Main article: Flood myth

Cultures around the world tell stories about a great flood.[14] In many cases, the flood leaves only one survivor or group of survivors. For example, both the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh and the Hebrew Bible tell of a global flood that wiped out humanity and of a man who saved the Earth's species by taking them aboard a boat.[15] Similar stories of a single flood survivor appear in Hindu mythology,[16] Aztec mythology,[17] in the Greek myth of Deucalion as well as in the Quran.


The creative sacrifice


Many cultures have stories about divine figures whose death creates an essential part of reality.[18][19] These myths seem especially common among cultures that grow crops, particularly tubers.[20] One such myth from the Wemale people of Seram Island, Indonesia, tells of a miraculously-conceived girl named Hainuwele, whose murdered corpse sprouts into the people's staple food crops.[21] The Chinese myth of Pangu,[22] the Vedic myth of Purusha,[23] and the Norse myth of Ymir all tell of a cosmic giant who is killed to create the world.[18] Similar is the Christian myth of Christ, whose death refashions the world.

The dying god

Main article: Life-death-rebirth deity

Many myths feature a god who dies and often returns to life.[24] Such myths are particularly common in Near Eastern mythologies.[25] The anthropologist Sir James Frazer compared these "dying god" myths in his multi-volume work The Golden Bough. The Egyptian god Osiris and the Mesopotamian god Tammuz are examples of the "dying god", while the Greek myths of Adonis (though a mortal) has often been compared to Osiris and the myth of Dionysos also features death and rebirth.[26] Some scholars have noted similarities between polytheistic stories of "dying gods" and the Christian story of Jesus of Nazareth.[27] Awareness of these similarities goes back to the early Christian era, when the church father Justin Martyr discussed them.[28]

A number of scholars have suggested that hero stories from various cultures have the same underlying structure. Otto Rank, who began his career as a follower of Sigmund Freud, argued that the stories of heroes' births have a common Oedipal structure.[29] Other scholars, including Lord Raglan and, more recently, Joseph Campbell, have also suggested that hero stories share a common structure.[30] Some comparative mythologists look for similarities only among hero stories within a specific geographical or ethnic range. For example, the Austrian scholar Johann Georg van Hahn tried to identify a common structure underlying "Aryan" hero stories.[31] Others, such as Campbell, propose theories about hero stories in general. According to Campbell's "monomyth" theory, hero stories from around the world share a common plot structure.[32] Because of its extremely comparative nature, the monomyth theory is currently out of favor with the mainstream study of mythology.[5]

Axis mundi

Main article: Axis mundi

Many mythologies mention a place that sits at the center of the world and acts as a point of contact between different levels of the universe.[33] This "axis mundi" is often marked by a sacred tree or other mythical object. For example, many myths describe a great tree or pillar joining heaven, earth, and the underworld.[34] Vedic India, ancient China, and the ancient Germans all had myths featuring a "Cosmic Tree" whose branches reach heaven and whose roots reach hell.[35]

Titanomachy

Many cultures have a creation myth in which a group of younger, more civilized gods conquer and/or struggle against a group of older gods who represent the forces of chaos. In the Greek myth of the Titanomachy, the Olympian gods defeat the Titans, an older and more primitive divine race, and establish cosmic order.[36][37] In Hindu mythology, the devas (gods) battle the asuras (demons).[37] And the Celtic gods of life and light struggle against the Fomorians, ancient gods of death and darkness.[37]

This myth of the gods conquering demons - and order conquering chaos - is especially common in Indo-European mythologies. Some scholars suggest that the myth reflects the ancient Indo-Europeans' conquest of native peoples during their expansion over Europe and India.[38][39]
However, non-Indo-European cultures also have such myths. For example, many Near Eastern mythologies include a "combat myth" in which a good god battles an evil or chaotic demon.[40] An example is the Babylonian Enuma Elish.[41]
See also: Titanomachy, Theomachy, and Theogony

The deus otiosus

Many cultures believe in a celestial Supreme Being who has cut off contact with humanity. Historian Mircea Eliade calls this Supreme Being a deus otiosus (an "idle god"),[42] although this term is also used more broadly, to refer to any god who doesn't interact regularly with humans. In many myths, the Supreme Being withdraws into the heavens after the creation of the world.[43] Baluba mythology features such a story, in which the supreme God withdraws from the earth, leaving man to search for him.[44] Similarly, the mythology of the Hereros tells of a Sky God who has abandoned mankind to lesser divinities.[45] In the mythologies of highly complex cultures, the Supreme Being tends to disappear completely, replaced by a strongly polytheistic belief system.[46]


Founding myths
Founding myth

Many cultures have myths describing the origin of their customs, rituals, and identity. In fact, ancient and traditional societies have often justified their customs by claiming that their gods or mythical heroes established those customs.[47][48] For example, according to the myths of the Australian Karadjeri, the mythical Bagadjimbiri brothers established all of the Karadjeri's customs, including the position in which they stand while urinating.[49]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_mythology

Yes, the stories are defined as myths because they are . . .

There was this really good video who elaborated particularly on the Christianity creation Myths, exemplifying the similarities between it and other religions prior to it, but I can't seem to find it.

:shrug:

But Christianity ripped off a bunch of stuff from other stories and claimed it as its own.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18793084 - 09/03/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Here it is: please view with an open mind Hannah! :wink:








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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18793096 - 09/03/13 04:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I like how everyone jumps on the opportunity to preach.

What does this say about us?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18793105 - 09/03/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I dunno about you bro, but I can back up everything I say objectively, so I don't consider it preaching but telling the truth.

:shrug:

(And if I can't I will explicitly say that I think or imo.)

Try me.



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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18793142 - 09/03/13 04:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I dunno about you bro, but I can back up everything I say objectively, so I don't consider it preaching but telling the truth.

:shrug:

(And if I can't I will explicitly say that I think or imo.)

Try me.




That can only be said if one believes in an absolute truth.

Missionaries and preachers also believe they speak the truth and believe they can objectively back it up. They have scriptures as their proof. I'm sure you could show me some of your scriptures, right?

It was just an interesting observation I made, also reflecting upon my own actions as I did exactly the same.

I just came to think my/our actions bordered on wishing the best for OP and guiding her on her path, to jumping at an opportunity to push ones own beliefs in an opportunistic way.

Again, I'm not judging any of it as I am doing the same. Another reason not to judge it is that I'm 1000% confident that OP is capable of thinking for herself and finds all these different inputs useful.

In summary, no offense, but we are preaching, stating that you think you are conveying an absolute truth makes it even more like preaching imo.

"Every truth becomes a lie if you believe in it for too long." - Herman van Veen

The only absolute truth I hold is that there is none. But now I am preaching that there is no absolute truth. Fuck my life, it's impossible to escape...

See?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18793185 - 09/03/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You deny there is absolute truth?

Is there existence?

Is there love?

How do you know?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18793186 - 09/03/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I dunno about you bro, but I can back up everything I say objectively, so I don't consider it preaching but telling the truth.

:shrug:

(And if I can't I will explicitly say that I think or imo.)

Try me.




That can only be said if one believes in an absolute truth.

Missionaries and preachers also believe they speak the truth and believe they can objectively back it up. They have scriptures as their proof. I'm sure you could show me some of your scriptures, right?

It was just an interesting observation I made, also reflecting upon my own actions as I did exactly the same.

I just came to think my/our actions bordered on wishing the best for OP and guiding her on her path, to jumping at an opportunity to push ones own beliefs in an opportunistic way.

Again, I'm not judging any of it as I am doing the same. Another reason not to judge it is that I'm 1000% confident that OP is capable of thinking for herself and finds all these different inputs useful.

In summary, no offense, but we are preaching, stating that you think you are conveying an absolute truth makes it even more like preaching imo.

"Every truth becomes a lie if you believe in it for too long." - Herman van Veen

The only absolute truth I hold is that there is none. But now I am preaching that there is no absolute truth. Fuck my life, it's impossible to escape...

See?




Nope, absolute truths you can experience first hand and see for yourself.

I personally prefer that you don't believe.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18793218 - 09/03/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You deny there is absolute truth?

Is there existence?

Is there love?

How do you know?




I know that things I used to believe in very strongly are now less true for me.
I know that my belief systems are ever changing.

Why would love and existence be immune to those changes?
Why would they be absolute?

I'm pretty sure there are people that don't believe in love. I'm pretty sure there are delusions in which existence is denied.

Is the fact that those beliefs are held less frequently a sign of their fallacy and a proof that in fact love and existence are true?

I don't think so. I think truth is a very malleable concept that equates to a set of unquestioned axiomas at best.

This is why I am always trying to broaden my perspective, to speak with people that hold different belief systems. It's intruiging.

But this discussion is very problematic as not believing in an absolute truth also implies that you could be wrong in that sense... :laugh:

What I'm basically saying is that you can never be sure of anything, you can just choose to believe it for a while.

You can be a seeker, but you will never find.

It's the journey not the destination.

Enjoy the process, don't get hung up on the goals.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18793221 - 09/03/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:Nope, absolute truths you can experience first hand and see for yourself.




Well, experience is linked to previous experiences.

I will never experience things the way you do.

So how can I experience something that will lead me to the same truths you hold?

I will always have my own truth for I will always have my own experiences. Therefore, we will never share a truth with anyone. How can there be absolutism in that?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18793230 - 09/03/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And a final thing, you said that your truths can be experienced first hand and that this makes them absolute.

So can mine.

I mentioned before that what used to be true for me back in the days is now in many respects less true.

I'm sure you have similar experiences.

Wouldn't my disbelief in absolute truth by this reasoning have to be an absolute truth? Since it is capable to be experienced firsthand?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18793244 - 09/03/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Make another post, I don't wanna derail this topic anymore, but if your genuinely curious, I'll explain the best I can!

Put it in philosophy if you prefer it like that or here if you like it that way.

However you want it.

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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
    #18793257 - 09/03/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good call.

I am of course genuinely curious so I have made a topic on this absolute truth question:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18793256

Please kick it off teknix!


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #18796385 - 09/03/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for responding. You all have given me lots to think about.

I must throw it out there the everything keeps leading me to the Bible. I believe this stuff i experienced might be sort of spiritual,and would fit into the "emerging church" and what they teach ( not a good thing in my opinion, as they are messing around with talking to spirits and things of that nature). Maybe the sort of things that happen in witch craft or witch doctors? But I happened to open my mind up to it, partial credit would go to what I smoked.

I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.

We all have our own beliefs. Everyone has they're own belief that they believe is true. Now ultimately, i'm pretty sure they're is one truth. Everyone has the choice to chose....


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18796525 - 09/03/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.





Not sure what you are thinking that the Bible says to stay away from?


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