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OfflineFlorestan
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Salvia - First Breakthrough - Doubleyouteeeff!?
    #18786639 - 09/01/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sooooooo... Last time I gave Salvia any thought was many years back... over a decade in fact (I'm 32 now). I'd seen some programme about its traditional use, and me and my friend decided to get us some of this... So I bought some plain leaf online and we chewed it, hated doing so, spat it out and felt nothing... Soon after that, I got a 5x extract vile, and I bonged a small amount of it, but felt rather little with that... Things got a little "dreamy" and the solids of my world seemed to be somehow more gaseous/liquid than before for a short time... I never tried it again...

UNTIL recently. I happened to come across it somewhere, I think looking at fools on youtube reignited my interest in this plant... so I decided to get some... spur of the moment purchase kinda thing... just thought "feck it" and got me 4x 1gram bags of 20x extract (Yeah, I see I overdid it now lol... but still, this may end up being a lifetime supply, so when it gets scheduled I won't be complaining so much!)

When I received my package I see the kind folks gave me a gram of 10x for free... If only they'd given me a warning instead lol.

Was thinking I'd get back to that slightly "spaced, dreamy" place. I was wrong. A couple days before my breakthrough I'd smoked a reasonable amount of the 10x extract in a beer-bong (guiness can, pressed in at the middle, then pressed further in at the newly-constructed "sides" to give a nice steady dip in the can), then proceeded to inhale it... Was slightly similar to my years-ago 5x experience... I was playing peggle at the time and the pegs seemed so much more... "rounded" and somehow... wait. I remember now I remembered the perfect analogy to this experience... You know when someone's proper tripping balls and you KNOW it looking at the glazed look in their eye? Well THIS experience was like everything else APART from me had this "glaze coating" over it in some way.

Now for the breakthrough... A couple days later, I was like "Well I got all this salvia, guess might aswell smoke some more". Id considered the 10x as rather "bunk" in that I'd smoked a good "thimble-or-more" of it to little effect... So I ended up mixing it in with one of the packs of 20x (in retrospect not a great idea since that's now the bag I still have to work with lol).

There I was, with my guiness-can full of salvia... I put my flamy-torch-lighter to it and let rip... Nothing (of course)... "fucking salvia"... Smoke more... *adds more to can*... *smokes*... ... *holds around 30 secs*... ... You people who never done this have probably seen many a description of what happens next, yet I WARN you... NOTHING will ever prepare you for it... Some of my favourites are "Given a backhand across the head by god", "Coming down on you like a ton of bricks", "Someone pointing a shotgun to your head and blowing away all you ever thought about existence". No words can do it justice... my OWN response upon exhaling was immediately feeling I was part of some sinister soap opera where all those around me (I was alone, I'm talking about in the world in general) were all actors in this horrific role I was destined to play out... Then, momentarily coming back from this sudden feeling - beercan in hand - I physically declared "THAT's not right..." And walked over to my bed because I somehow KNEW I should not be merely "sitting down" right then... I got to my bed... and the next thing I knew, it was as if I'd awakened just as surely as I'd taken the pill in "The Matrix". My consciousness was quite simply not in my physical vessel anymore. I was looking at one point, back down on my "self" in my room... and feeling this was some other being that my "essence" (me in that moment) was being made to work in partnership with, to fulfil my role in the universe.

I even seem to remember... a female presence, VERY angry and she like.... KICKED me back into my "pod" (which I even seem to remember having a (rather vague) recollection of the appearance of) Shouting my name... well... it WASN'T my name... the voice (and face looked kinda like my dead aunt, though the FEEL of her was inhuman) She called me by a DIFFERENT name, but with the same SURNAME (I think... can't be sure about that, but she called me Andrew, and that's not my name). And when I was "out" of the "pod" I felt as if I had ALWAYS BEEN this floating essence of "self" - a piece of awareness, and had always resided in this place. It even felt so familiar to me, as if I could've SWORN I'd been there before. Don't let the people talking of dreams mislead you people... I made that mistake... it's nothing like a dream. It's infinitely REAL to the nth degree. You will "KNOW" you're in a different dimension. There were moments during all this that I'd switch between myself laying in my room, then suddenly I'd be back in that scary familiar place where I felt so subservient and almost like a slave knowing there's nothing I can do except keep playing this terrible role I was meant for... as if maybe a past life determined the misfortune that's found me in this life and now I have to return to it and play the sick game-show soap-opera until I'm dead and that's IT.

Eventually after a few minutes, I was back in my body, sweating like nothing I'd ever known...

My reaction?... Something along the lines of...............

"What the fuck?... ... WHAT the FUUUUCK?!... ... no way... no WAYYYY!... What the... ... *anger* WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!??! NEVER AGAIN... no... no... no - never again... what the fuuuuuuuck??????" *goes gets salvia and puts all packets in the bin* "FUCK THAT SHIT!" *shakes head til infinity*

The most scary part of the experience?... Afterwards when coming online and reading that so many reports reflect my own experience all-too-accurately... almost painfully so... By FAR the most scary part is wondering if you'll ever be sane again... and seeing so many others have such similar experiences does not help that matter lol. I'd just recently seen the news report about that Cyrus guy who decided to off himself after repeated exposure to Salvia (and recall seeing notes he made, and thinking "Yeah, I've made those kind of notes in my time too" - usually inspired by weed, but still...) The fact that I feel somewhat that I understand what he believed and could understand WHY he did it... that scares me in itself.

I put off writing this report for about a week (how long it's been since that night) for so many reasons... and I think not diving straight into a trip report was a good idea... These days gave me much to ponder. Do I believe my consciousness left my body and went to another dimension? No. Do I DISBELIEVE it? No. I don't know what to think. I don't know what to believe. And that's okay. I accept that Salvia is the most powerful substance I've ever come into contact with (Not ever done much... much cannabis, one smallish dose of shrooms, and a couple minimal mescaline experiences inspired by Casteneda). And I accept that Salvia does stuff to the kappa receptors or whatever-the-hell they're called, and chemically acts in a way to dissociate us from our bodies. "Chemicals DO these things - it's all normal, stop overthinking things!"... But as anyone who's reached this level of a Salvia experience... there's always that lingering "but what IF...." etc etc. Then I remind myself that in my first experiences with Salvia, I'd no doubt read a good few trip reports on Erowid, and that my subconscious could EASILY bring those up even if I had no memory of having read them when I took it recently... "Yes... THAT'S the explanation!... Nice comfort blanket!" *hugs the rationality blanket!*

So last night I was like... "I'll attempt to get to a level 4 and no more"... so took my bag of 10/20 and took a smallish pinch and put it on the can-bong (different can... somehow that SAME one as my breakthrough feels "dirty") and inhale... I put about as much as a thin layer covering a HALF of the TOP section of my thumb... Took one inhalation... then two... then three (you best BELIEVE I'm being cautious!!!!!!) Nothing... ... So tonight... I'm on the verge of trying again to get to a level 4, but am so reluctant to try lol... knowing what happened last time... It's almost like "not enough... ... ... not enough... ... ... " and before I know it it'll be "still nothing.. ... not enough... OHH THERE'S ENOUGH-LEVEL 5 AGAIN BIAAAAAAAACH!" :P

(Which I do not want in a huge hurry... getting over the first experience was work enough).

I sincerely hope I've described my experience in detail and succinctly enough to be understood by most. Opinions PLEASE :smile:

Wait... ... I thought I was done with the post and was about to post, but then I remembered something else that needs adding... The feeling I got when I was in another dimension... Another equally valid feeling would be that I felt my consciousness had been inserted into another cell of my body... (and way before experiencing salvia I had for long pondered the possibility of all of earth being "interconnected" in that... ... well... I think I song I once started writing a couple years back (this one has no music so far, just the words) can explain it better:

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I think that there might be a universe inside my head,
and I may turn out to be part of a spent brain cell when I'm dead.
I find it hard to entertain that existence came right out of oblivion,
If you believe in one big bang why not try a billion trillion.

Constant perfect spheres they bug me
Now these strange ideas they tug me...

Global consciousness of our universe - it could just be one decision.
Speed it up enough, could be the landing of a pigeon.
(................)
(................)

An Armageddon may come from stubbing your toe...
Wise words from out mouths "I do not know"

Hoards of quantum equations - do they formulate themselves?
Maybe they should step back - put their books back on their shelves.
(...............)
(...............)

You look into an atom - try to tape it...
Who's to say your thoughts don't shape it?...

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So yeah... now I finally feel I've related all relevant aspects of my first Salvia breakthrough...

I'm considering trying it again tonight, but I really don't know... but what I DO know, is that whenever I have something new about my experience with Salvia to share, I'll be back on here sharing it with you people.

So please... comments?


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Re: Salvia - First Breakthrough - Doubleyouteeeff!? [Re: Florestan]
    #18792653 - 09/02/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ok so I tried again last night... Just enough by my 2nd hit to start feeling a "shift" back into this "secondary set of beliefs" about the nature of my existence... Felt like I was literally some kind of a prisoner. Remember thinking "ohhhh yeah, THIS is why I didn't want to do it again" and was glad I only had a vague recollection of those "other" truths coming back to me before I distracted myself then slept. There's always a little SOMETHING you just leave behind and can't quite put your finger on when you've returned... No - not for me. I don't see this doing anything good for my life. Guess it's bin-time for my Salvia. Don't want to end up tempted into it again only to end up thinking "idiot..." upon doing it again. Nah - not for me at all.


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Re: Salvia - First Breakthrough - Doubleyouteeeff!? [Re: Florestan]
    #18793036 - 09/03/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Florestan said:
"ohhhh yeah, THIS is why I didn't want to do it again"



This is me every time I've tried salvia ^^^

I had a good experience with a breakthrough, but every other time has just felt like I'm living in a video game/not 100% sure this is the 'real' reality.

p.s. I don't think you should smoke out of cans...


Edited by GoldenArrow (09/03/13 02:55 AM)


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Re: Salvia - First Breakthrough - Doubleyouteeeff!? [Re: GoldenArrow]
    #18795016 - 09/03/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I DO have a bong somewhere... but it's been so long that when I do eventually find it I'll have to proper bleach-clean it before I'd ever use it again... Literally been years. I don't see the problem with a can... few pinpricks in the can - sorted... Maybe the metallic paint can get somewhat added to the inhaled mix? (I could understand that being an issue but I see no other potential problems). Well seeing as I don't intend to be doing salvia again it's really a non-issue now :P I still have half a syringe of spores (last time tried growing shrooms they simply didn't colonise at all and I had to chuck it all... maybe one day I'll give them another attempt - and if I do I'll be adhering strictly to the PF-tek, not some useless "grow-bag" nonsense).

Thanks to the guy who had something to say in response to my experiences. Much obliged.


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Re: Salvia - First Breakthrough - Doubleyouteeeff!? [Re: Florestan]
    #18800631 - 09/04/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OP's salvia breakthrough sounds eerily similar to what I experienced.


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